Aliasing sucker → lollipop
Link to alias

Reason:

No reasons given? Well, I say no. Where I live, the word "Sucker" refers to a spherical candy-on-a-stick, while a lollipop is a disk. Of course, that could just be a local thing, in which case the alias should go through.

Might be best to just sort it out manually.
The alias would work for most of the current posts, but then there's...
post #100317
Though that shouldn't have had the tag to begin with; and maybe the benefits from aliasing this would outweight the rare mistags caused by it. *shrug*

no, sucker is more common and contemporary

+1, it's an American regionalism and it's in common usage.

This is slightly off-topic, but we might want to consider usage of the lolly tag while we're at it since that is a common name for them in England. I don't know how often it gets used but it seems to be getting mixed in with some characters named Lolly that should probably be tagged with _(character) or _(animal_crossing). It might also get confused with loli occasionally, but I'm just guessing here.

"sucker"? I would basically never have guessed that was referring to any kind of candy, wow. I've never heard that in reference to candy, only people (eg. "There's a sucker born every minute"). So +1 from me.

@Furrin Gok:
Where I live, 'lollipop' is used interchangeably for either. *shrugs*

@Parasprite:
Currently it looks like it needs a little fixup -- all the results for lolly seem to refer to 6-8 different characters. Since everything involving the confection seems to be tagged candy, maybe we should alias lolly -> candy after fixing up the 10 posts currently in lolly.

I've actually never heard of a lollipop referred to as a sucker. Maybe it's a regional thing? I have heard lolly before, but not often.

Regardless, I'm still not sure if I'm for or against the alias. So far it sounds like everyone calls this candy something deferent. I guess I would tentatively vote for lollipop?

Tokaido said:
I've actually never heard of a lollipop referred to as a sucker. Maybe it's a regional thing? I have heard lolly before, but not often.

Regardless, I'm still not sure if I'm for or against the alias. So far it sounds like everyone calls this candy something deferent. I guess I would tentatively vote for lollipop?

They are known (at least somewhat) as a lollipop in most areas that I am aware of, so I am for lollipop being the permanant tag.

Currently it looks like it needs a little fixup -- all the results for lolly seem to refer to 6-8 different characters. Since everything involving the confection seems to be tagged candy, maybe we should alias lolly -> candy after fixing up the 10 posts currently in lolly.

I'll take a look at lolly and see if I can make sense of them.

My only gripe with aliasing lolly -> candy is that culturally lollipops are frequently used as a pseudo-sexual device implying somewhere between "what else could I be sucking right now" and general innocence. Something that is not really seen with other types of candy. However, there is no reason not to implicate it.

What I'm thinking is:

• Alias: lolly, sucker -> lollipop
• Implicate: lollipop -> candy

parasprite said:
They are known (at least somewhat) as a lollipop in most areas that I am aware of, so I am for lollipop being the permanant tag.

I'll take a look at lolly and see if I can make sense of them.

My only gripe with aliasing lolly -> candy is that culturally lollipops are frequently used as a pseudo-sexual device implying somewhere between "what else could I be sucking right now" and general innocence. Something that is not really seen with other types of candy. However, there is no reason not to implicate it.

What I'm thinking is:

• Alias: lolly, sucker -> lollipop
• Implicate: lollipop -> candy

Huh, that's interesting. I've only ever heard lolly used as a synonym for candy (that is, generic confectionery), never as a synonym for lollipop. I didn't realize you meant that at all.

Personally I'm +1 on alias sucker -> lollipop + implication lollipop -> candy. Don't know what to think of alias lolly -> lollipop.

savageorange said:
Huh, that's interesting. I've only ever heard lolly used as a synonym for candy (that is, generic confectionery), never as a synonym for lollipop. I didn't realize you meant that at all.

Personally I'm +1 on alias sucker -> lollipop + implication lollipop -> candy. Don't know what to think of alias lolly -> lollipop.

That explains a lot.

Alright, an alternate suggestion then:

• Alias: sucker -> lollipop
• Implicate: lollipop -> candy
• Alias: lolly -> invalid_tag

The only downside is loli*, lolly_(animal_crossing), and lollipop won't get tagged if someone types it. However in the current case they wouldn't have been tagged properly anyways.

*I haven't seen any mistagged lolicon yet.

parasprite said:
That explains a lot.

Alright, an alternate suggestion then:

• Alias: sucker -> lollipop
• Implicate: lollipop -> candy
• Alias: lolly -> invalid_tag

The only downside is loli*, lolly_(animal_crossing), and lollipop won't get tagged if someone types it. However in the current case they wouldn't have been tagged properly anyways.

*I haven't seen any mistagged lolicon yet.

I can get behind that in it's entirety. +1 from me.

Sucker:

post #508745

Lollipop:

post #495948

Halite said:
Sucker:

post #508745

Lollipop:

post #495948

This argument has already been made. Reposting it doesn't make it more conclusive, it just adds a single data point in favor of sucker being recognized as a valid tag.

Sucker:
post #507529

Lollipop:
post #495948

;)

Then we should at least alias lollypop to lollipop, since lollypop is a misspelling.

JoeX said:
Then we should at least alias lollypop to lollipop, since lollypop is a misspelling.

That seems uncontroversial. I hope.

savageorange said:
That seems uncontroversial. I hope.

My region uses lollypop to refer to candy-flavored sodas like candy corn, chocolate, etc. (pop means soda here) so this may be an issue but I'm not sure if there is any case of this on e6.

Nah, just playing. It's solid.

Is it s a lollipop or a sucker?

Yep, it's extremely regional and not even used consistently: in some areas the flat ones are called suckers, and the round ones lollipops. Best to just alias them all into lollipop, since that's the more common term.

And I thought the regional habits of using pop / soda / fizzy drink / fizzy pop / soda pop / cola / fountain drink / lolly water / soft drink, etc was unusually broad. But I guess this type of thing happens with more words than you'd think.

For my area, "suckers" were the round ones and "lollipops" weren't mentioned much but normally referred to the 'flat circles on a stick' type instead of the spheres. And I'd never heard of a "lolly" until I started consuming British media, so I assumed it was a British word.

I'm going to have to agree with Genjar. It might be best to just alias them all together since they're roughly the same thing and that way no matter what area and era someone is from their search will lead to the same place. I mean, even for people who were raised to differentiate them as different shapes of suckers, depending on region they may use the opposite term for the same shape. I think it's best to just alias them on this one. And I think lollipop should be the tag we end up using for all of them, because "sucker" can be misunderstood as the "suckers" on an octopus tentacle, or a fool who showed gullibility in falling for a trick or scam of some kind. But "lollipop" doesn't really have any other meanings for people to misunderstand it if they see it in the tag list, so it makes a clearer "face" for the tag.

Halite said:
Sucker:

post #508745

Lollipop:

post #495948

Wow, that's so bizarre, I have literally never heard the term sucker used to describe "spherical sugar candy on a stick"s before this forum post, lol. We (me and everyone I grew up with) always referred to the as lollipops or tootsiepops, but that's a brand name so it obviously wouldn't work.

I'm in agreement with Parasprite and Genjar on this one, but I wouldn't push very hard for it since it's all so tied to locational vocabulary.

furrypickle said:
And I thought the regional habits of using pop / soda / fizzy drink / fizzy pop / soda pop / cola / fountain drink / lolly water / soft drink, etc was unusually broad. But I guess this type of thing happens with more words than you'd think.

You missed "coke".

"I'd like a coke"
"What kind of coke?"
"7-up"

It's wonderfully confusing to people new to the area.

"What kind of coke do you want?"
"Don't you have anything else?"
"We have coffee or tea."
"..."

furrypickle said:
For my area, "suckers" were the round ones and "lollipops" weren't mentioned much but normally referred to the 'flat circles on a stick' type instead of the spheres. And I'd never heard of a "lolly" until I started consuming British media, so I assumed it was a British word

Can confirm. Suckers are the ones you can fit in your mouth (hence why you can suck them) lollipops are the ones you can't (you can only lick them. Which actually makes sense because apparantly "lolly" was a regional word for tongue in the late 1700s (which might explain how lollygag may have come about).

Tokaido said:
I've actually never heard of a lollipop referred to as a sucker. Maybe it's a regional thing? I have heard lolly before, but not often.

This. I've only ever heard it talked about as "lollipop".

parasprite said:
You missed "coke".

"I'd like a coke"
"What kind of coke?"
"7-up"

It's wonderfully confusing to people new to the area.

"What kind of coke do you want?"
"Don't you have anything else?"
"We have coffee or tea."
"..."

Dammit, I wrote "cola" and meant "coke". Although I've heard "cola" used widely too, so I was just gonna forget one of them anyways. Nice catch though. I just know it blew my mind when I first learned that "coke" was used for any kind of drink that wasn't alcohol. I wasn't from that part of the USA, so I was completely clueless before then. I still get a huge kick out of it and that gets me some weird looks. lol