Several posts with the rape tag (around 6950 at the moment) does not have any of the domination tags (female_domination, male_domination and domination, the last one being taged on aroud 3100 posts). Is it not implied that rape is when a person tries to control (aka dominat)another person to have sexual intercorse with him/her? So why does most of the posts with the rape tag not also have the domination tag?

moondude said:
Several posts with the rape tag (around 6950 at the moment) does not have any of the domination tags (female_domination, male_domination and domination, the last one being taged on aroud 3100 posts). Is it not implied that rape is when a person tries to control (aka dominat)another person to have sexual intercorse with him/her? So why does most of the posts with the rape tag not also have the domination tag?

Because rape is not something where two individuals have agreed upon. If I understand correctly...

It's because the BDSM community doesn't like their fetishes being associated with rape.

Forced ≠ Domination.

Domination implies mutual consent between both parties, usually in the context of BDSM.

SirAntagonist said:
Forced ≠ Domination.

Domination implies mutual consent between both parties, usually in the context of BDSM.

Ah, ok!

On a related note:

Alternatively, in case of M/M or straight (with the male topping, otherwise it'd be female_domination), I also tend to tag domination if the top appears to be forceful / harsh in his actions (you know, stuff like shoving his partner down) and generally shows a bit of aggression or otherwise mean spirit through dialogue or facial expression, ideally combined with a somewhat helpless-looking bottom. Without actually looking completely unwilling, of course.

Like, this here is pretty much prototypical of that description. It's not clear-cut rape and not BDSM (not even in the vein of pet/master play like that recent Salkitten comic), but the tag does seem like it could apply here.

Have to admit, what qualifies and what doesn't (as well as when it does turn into rape) can be a bit subjective, but not so much it shouldn't exist as a tagging reason at all. Or at least, that's my view on it. Sometimes you just can't avoid tagging with some subjectivity, the rape tag itself actually is exemplary of that.

But perhaps an admin can confirm whether I'm onto something or just totally doing it wrong.

SirAntagonist said:
Forced ≠ Domination.

Domination implies mutual consent between both parties, usually in the context of BDSM.

But when someone is raping someone, aren't they being dominant? Like they are in charge of the situation.
This isn't to say that the rapee is being submissive.

Moon_Moon said:
But when someone is raping someone, aren't they being dominant? Like they are in charge of the situation.
This isn't to say that the rapee is being submissive.

I agree. I don't see the BDSM fetish owning the sole rights to domination, it should apply to all situations that do, in fact, contain acts of domination.

Moon_Moon said:
But when someone is raping someone, aren't they being dominant? Like they are in charge of the situation.
This isn't to say that the rapee is being submissive.

I think this is a case of being "dictionary correct" but the modern lexicon doesn't use it that way. Male and female domination refers to the domination fetish, which is not the same thing as one of the partners being "dominant" over the other.

Moon_Moon said:
But when someone is raping someone, aren't they being dominant? Like they are in charge of the situation.
This isn't to say that the rapee is being submissive.

Usually, when people search for domination they're expecting to see pictures like these, not pictures like these.

Technically, 90% of sex pictures are domination if you define domination as "taking charge". A post can be both, and often rape pictures should be tagged with domination, like here.

I can agree with tagging non-consensual pictures with domination if there's a specific party dominating the other. Pictures like tentacle rape or post-rape pictures shouldn't be tagged with it, though. I still think the tag should be used in context of D/S.

I don't think control=domination is a very good definition. Domination isn't the same as being in control. When someone uses a machine we say they have control of that machine, but that doesn't mean they are also dominating that machine.

Domination has more to do with attitude, often involving body language or positioning. Someone who dominates attempts to have power over another person, and to have that sense of power be additionally acknowledged by that other person. It's about shows of power, and having people admit how one person is more powerful than someone else. It's a lot closer to intimidation than it is to concepts like "control".

In a BDSM context, domination is used for a type of relationship/sex game where one party uses sex, toys and methods to assert their power over their partner, and their partner may play with submission where they pretend they have less power than their partner. But it's a game of exchanging power with a partner, not about actually forcing or taking it. It gets messy because people use words like "control" and "force me" as fantasy words to push their own arousal buttons, but if you have a "safe word" (pre-agreed upon code word which stops everything your partner does as soon as you use it) then you still retain control and no one's forcing you to do anything for real. It's a sex game, but losing control is more fantasy than reality. They play with "domination" and "submission" but no one's actually losing or taking control from the other person in any real sense. In a d/s relationship, control is shared.

In abuse, domination can be seen in an unwilling and unhealthy context, since abusers sometimes posture and require their own power over someone else to be recognised by other people. The difference is that none of it is very willing, there is no built-in exit for the person being dominated to stop any of it, and the abuser actively seeks to also control their victim's life in addition to dominating them. In abuse, control is taken, but domination is still only present some of the time.

In rape, "taking control" is NOT a good definition. Instead rape is defined as someone being an unwilling participant in sex. Rapists can take advantage of someone without that person accepting them as being a powerful individual by using instead pure strength, violence, threats, weapons or sheer manipulation. The rapist's attitude can be fearful, angry, frustrated, excited, entitled, judgment-impaired, etc. An attitude or actual show of domination isn't required. Rapists use tools (like a weapon) to steal what they want from someone else. Rape is about power, but more about feeling powerful to themselves. Rape, like bullying, is about trying to make the rapist feel more powerful and in control than they actually are. It might be argued that rapists aren't even in full control over themselves, let alone someone else.

Domination can be seen in a lot of different places, but it's not automatically part of any of those. All of those things can be seen without domination being actively in use.

SirAntagonist said:
I can agree with tagging non-consensual pictures with domination if there's a specific party dominating the other. Pictures like tentacle rape or post-rape pictures shouldn't be tagged with it, though. I still think the tag should be used in context of D/S.

I agree with your opinion on the exclusion of tentacles for domination, especially given they already have their own tag tentacle_rape that is exclusive to them.

There is a tag for nonconsensual domination. It's https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=forced