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Topic: Ambient_*

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

So. Let me start off with the fact that this is basically pure fantasy and flight of fancy, but it's been nibbling at my head for a few weeks.

Okay so. We have some amazing artwork here. My favorite stuff tends to be the really detailed painter-ish stuff that looks like it could be hanging on someone's wall.

It's made me aware of a problem...

ambient_bird ambient_flier ambient_silhouette anthro arrow_(weapon) avian biped bird bow_(weapon) canid canine canis claws cliff clothed clothing cloud conditional_dnp detailed detailed_fur feathers fox fur grass group hybrid latex_(artist) legwear looking_down male mammal mountain outside plant ranged_weapon rock silhouette sitting solo_focus toe_claws weapon wolf
16:10 2015 action_pose amazing_background ambient_bird ambient_flier ambient_silhouette anthro autumn avian bird black_nose blue_eyes brown_body brown_fur canid canine canis casual_nudity cheek_tuft claws detailed detailed_background facial_tuft featureless_crotch fog forest fur green_eyes group jumping leaf log male mammal mane mountain nude outside parkour pawpads plant pose pubes river rock silhouette solo_focus toe_claws tree tuft vaulting water waterfall whiluna widescreen wolf wood
2017 absurd_res ambient_bird ambient_flier ambient_silhouette anthro avian beverage bikini biped bird black_hair black_markings black_stripes canid canine chest_tuft clothed clothing conditional_dnp countershading detailed_background digital_media_(artwork) faraden felid female flower fox fur grass green_eyes group hair hi_res hybrid kirai legacy_(ratte) looking_at_viewer mammal markings multicolored_body multicolored_fur new_faraden outside pantherine partially_submerged pier plant ratte sarong seaside silhouette sitting slightly_chubby smile solo_focus striped_body striped_fur stripes sun swimwear tiger tuft two-piece_swimsuit water white_body white_fur yellow_body yellow_fur
amazing_background ambient_bird ambient_flier ambient_silhouette ambiguous_gender avian bird chimera claws cloud creepy detailed detailed_background feral forest group hi_res horn hybrid long_tail mountain nude plant silhouette solo_focus tail tree unknown_species whiluna
4_toes 5_fingers accipitrid accipitriform ambient_bird ambient_flier armband armor avian biped bird blue_hair blue_nose brown_body brown_fur canid canine canis claws clothed clothing day detailed detailed_ambient_creature detailed_background digitigrade domestic_dog fangs feet fingers flying fur green_eyes group hair holding_object holding_weapon leather leather_armor looking_at_viewer male mammal melee_weapon nukerooster outside plant polearm pteruges sabertooth_(anatomy) sky snow solo_focus spear standing step_pose tan_body tan_fur teeth toes topless tree trio weapon
2014 2:3 airborne_leaf airborne_object ambient_bird ambient_flier ambient_silhouette anthro avian bird bottomwear breasts brown_hair canid canine clothed clothing conditional_dnp digital_media_(artwork) falling_leaves female fox green_eyes group hair hi_res hybrid leaf looking_at_viewer mammal medium_breasts outside pants ratte shirt silhouette sky smile solo_focus topwear

anthro archer arrow_(weapon) biped blue_eyes bow_(weapon) canid canine clothed clothing conditional_dnp cyprinid cypriniform day detailed detailed_background detailed_fur digitigrade fangs fish fog fox fur gloves_(marking) goldfish hi_res holding_object holding_weapon inner_ear_fluff kneeling latex_(artist) leg_markings male mammal mane marine markings mountain open_mouth orange_body orange_fur outside outstretched_arms plant quiver_(object) ranged_weapon river rock saerro shirt socks_(marking) solo teeth tongue topwear tree tuft tunic water waterfall weapon
16:10 2017 adobe_photoshop_(artwork) ambient_arthropod ambient_crab ambient_crustacean ambient_sealife anthro asterozoan barefoot beach biped black_body black_fur blue_eyes brown_hair canid canine clothed clothing colored conditional_dnp day detailed_background digital_media_(artwork) digitigrade dress ears_back echinoderm feet female fox fur gloves_(marking) hair hi_res jewelry keidran laura_(twokinds) leg_markings looking_at_viewer mammal marine markings multicolored_body multicolored_fur necklace orange_body orange_fur outside palm_tree pivoted_ears plant pose red_fox roberto_(twokinds) rock sand sea seaside sitting sky smile socks_(marking) solo starfish starfish_(accessory) text tom_fischbach tree true_fox twokinds url water wet white_body white_fur widescreen
2017 ambient_sealife ambient_starfish anthro asterozoan barefoot beach big_breasts bikini biped blue_eyes blue_hair blue_markings blue_sky bodily_fluids breasts brown_body brown_fur brown_nose butt camel_toe canid canine canis claws clothed clothing condom crouching day detailed_background digital_media_(artwork) echinoderm eyelashes feet female fully_clothed fur hair hair_bun hi_res holding_condom holding_object inviting kogar_tg looking_at_viewer looking_back mammal marine markings multicolored_body multicolored_tail orange_markings outside pawpads raised_tail rear_view sand sea seaside sexual_barrier_device shaded sky smile soft_shading solo starfish sweat swimwear tail three-quarter_view two-piece_swimsuit unused_condom vatika water wet wolf wrapped_condom yellow_body yellow_sclera
4:3 ambient_fish ambient_sealife anthro breasts canid canine canis clownfish detailed_background female fish mammal marine marsel-defender nude open_mouth plant pomacentrid seabed sitting solo stripes wolf yawn
2017 ambient_fish ambient_sealife anthro arms_bent athletic athletic_anthro athletic_female bath bathing big_breasts braided_hair breasts canid canine canis carlia_(coltron20) chest_scar digital_media_(artwork) eyes_closed female fish forest fully_submerged fur genitals grey_hair group hair hands_behind_head hi_res lake legs_in_water mammal marine markings muscular muscular_anthro muscular_female nature navel nipples nude partially_submerged pigtails plant pussy raised_arms scar skinny_dipping smile solo_focus standing standing_in_water straight_legs submerged_legs submerged_tail tail tail_in_water tree twinkle-sez water waterline_view white_body white_fur wolf
1:1 2017 ambient_fish ambient_sealife anthro bikini breasts brown_body brown_eyes brown_fur brown_hair brown_nose canid canine canis chest_tuft cleavage clothed clothing crystal digital_media_(artwork) diving eyebrows eyelashes female fish fluffy fluffy_tail fur gem glowing grey_eyes hair half-closed_eyes heresy_(artist) heterochromia hi_res jewelry keidran mammal marine midriff narrowed_eyes natani navel necklace outside pawpads relaxing shaded skimpy smile solo swimming swimwear tail tuft two-piece_swimsuit twokinds underwater water wet wolf

Lovely drawings. So what's the problem? The first 6 are tagged avian, while the last 6 are tagged marine.

And of course, there are bird, there are sea-life, but... they're far from the focus of the picture. Yet, they're consistently tagged.

So,. my pipedream fantasy is to have another set of tags. Say: Ambient_bird... ambient_sealife, ambient_wildlife, ambient_insect etc.

I feel bad for the poor person who wants to find an anthro butterfly

There are nearly 2000 butterfly posts and at least at a glance, most of them are little decorative bugs.

There's a problem here, but surely there's a solution?

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EDIT: I'm starting to tag stuff with this. I'm keeping tack of what I'm tagging here. Some of this are probably a little redundant, but easier to over-segregate than to be overly inclusive. :)

Updated

i think this is relevant: forum #240663

basically the conclusion was that its kinda hard to make work in practice because its so difficult to put any clear line between the "decorative background stuff" and everything else

Updated by anonymous

Commander_Eggplant said:
i think this is relevant: forum #240663

basically the conclusion was that its kinda hard to make work in practice because its so difficult to put any clear line between the "decorative background stuff" and everything else

Goodness, there's a lot of fussing and bickering in there. Like, I wasn't there and I can feel my blood pressure rising by proxy.

It is certainly a good point that it's hard to put a clear line in place, between background and foreground.

That said I'm not necessarily advocating deleting tags, or not tagging things in a post. More talking about adding some new tags in to make it easier to filter stuff out. Y'know, Ambient_butterfly implies butterfly, which still implies everything else, but then you can -ambient_butterfly if you want.

Or maybe there are some circumstances where we should break the usual tag rules and actually tag something like anthro_butterfly. I dunno.

Like I said, this is probably a fruitless endeavor, but *shrug*

I jsut feel bad tagging bird and butterfly on things where they aren't the focus.. And I feel bad for not tagging them when they're there. XD

I dunno.

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Genjar

Former Staff
2011 annoyed antennae_(anatomy) arthropod biped black_markings blessed_image blue_eyes bottomwear clothed clothing crossed_arms daww digital_media_(artwork) digital_painting_(artwork) digital_watercolor_(artwork) duo feral front_view green_body hawk_moth human insect insect_wings lepidopteran lifting lol_comments male mammal markings moth nisimawari painting_(artwork) pellucid_hawk_moth portrait quadruped shirt shorts simple_background simulated_traditional_(artwork) solo_focus spread_wings standing three-quarter_portrait three-quarter_view topwear watercolor_(artwork) white_background wings

I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's actually not that hard to tell what's the focus of the image, we already tag plenty of things based on that (crowd, various *_focus tags, etc). Is it on the background, minding its own business and not interacting with the main focus of the image? Then it's ambient.

And these are meant as additional informational tags instead of replacements, yes? So it shouldn't affect old tags or the way we tag character counts in any way.

The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

Unless we have a tag for ambient wildlife in general.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar said:
I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's actually not that hard to tell what's the focus of the image, we already tag plenty of things based on that (crowd, various *_focus tags, etc). Is it on the background, minding its own business and not interacting with the main focus of the image? Then it's ambient.

And these are meant as additional informational tags instead of replacements, yes? So it shouldn't affect old tags or the way we tag character counts in any way.

Yep, just an easy -ambient_butterfly to make it 99% easier to find anthro butterflies.

The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

This is true. I honestly think that I would avoid tagging ambient_bird on that one--it might not be 'correct,' but it being tagged on that picture would defeat the purpose of having the tag. :) but that's just me.

BlueDingo said:
Unless we have a tag for ambient wildlife in general.

I think the same issue would still pop up? if you're looking for anthro butterflies, and there's an anthro butterfly and a 'real' butterfly in it's hair, anthro butterfly -ambient_butterfly and anthro butterfly -ambient_wildlife will come to about the same search result... and also cut out the anthro butterfly with the birds off in the background.

That said, I'd probably have all of the ambient_whatever tags imply ambient wildlife. There should only be a few, after all--birds, bugs, fish, and maybe rats are generally the biggest 'offenders'

And, plus side--you could search for ambient_wildlife to find what are PROBABLY higher detailed images :D

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