Just to inform that I clean all lizard and reptile tags on many dragon posts containing no reptile characters.

Dragons are legendary creatures, so we can assign them the name of a real specie. If neither reptile nor lizard.
(Of course, I shall consider some hybrid dragons...)

Ditto for the dinosaurs, are no longer considered as reptile for many years.
The reptilia family has also been deleted from the animal kingdom scientific classification.

Only Scalie tag can be attributed to these creatures.

Cool story.

Dinosaurs are still taxonomically considered reptiles.

Scalie - Images or animations containing any reptile species.

...oh, okay.

Dinosaurs are still taxonomically considered reptiles.

Correct. Dinosaurs are currently in the Reptilia class, which makes them reptiles.

You went and deleted a bunch of tags from stuff before even asking if it was okay? Hm.

It is time to update yours informations. Since genetic research exist, many changes have been made to the classification of the animal kingdom.

Although the word dinosaur means "terrible lizard", the name is somewhat misleading, as dinosaurs are not lizards. Instead, they represent a separate group of reptiles which, like many extinct forms, did not exhibit characteristics traditionally seen as reptilian, such as a sprawling limb posture or ectothermy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

wikipedia usa is not update regarding reptile, on the wiki France the reptilian class is properly lined.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile

Genjar said:
Scalie - Images or animations containing any reptile species.

...oh, okay.

Scalie is a term invented by the furry fandom...

Tauxiera said:
Scalie is a term invented by the furry fandom...

And it is a term used on this site to represent reptiles. Dinosaurs are still reptiles and will keep the tag.

Just no.
Sauropsida is synonymous to Reptilia and they're most definitely considered reptiles. I doubt you'd find any taxonomist alive who would disagree with that.

Here's the modern classification:
http://www.palaeos.org/Sauropsida

"Sauropsids therefore are the bulk of the reptiles plus birds, while the Synapsidas are the "mammal-like reptiles" plus mammals. "

Reptiles.

Learn to read. It is said that Sauropsida includes some dinosaurs and all current reptiles, it does not say that dinosaurs are reptiles...

Can this be closed already? I see no reason to take the reptile tag off Dinosaurs or Dragons.

Pyke said:
And it is a term used on this site to represent reptiles.

No, it is used as a term to represent also other species that are not reptiles, but look like one of them. For example dragons that don't exists in real world therefore can be classified in any real system.

I'm not sure whether dinosaurs should be reptiles or not, but if someone is going to make mass change of tags I think that it is good practice to inform about it before change, not afterwards.

Pyke said:
Can this be closed already? I see no reason to take the reptile tag off Dinosaurs or Dragons.

+1

Pyke said:
Can this be closed already? I see no reason to take the reptile tag off Dinosaurs or Dragons.

http://e621.net/forum/show/59165

null0010 said:
Dragons are not real creatures and therefore do not fall into our common taxonomic classifications.

Tauxiera said:
Learn to read. It is said that Sauropsida includes some dinosaurs and all current reptiles, it does not say that dinosaurs are reptiles...

The Reptilia grade begins at Amniota. Therefore all Sauropsida and Synapsida are reptiles. Including dinosaurs.

It's really not complicated.

Pyke said:
Can this be closed already? I see no reason to take the reptile tag off Dinosaurs or Dragons.

Off of dragons that look reptilian* that is.

Genjar said:
The Reptilia grade begins at Amniota. Therefore all Sauropsida and Synapsida are reptiles. Including dinosaurs.

It's really not complicated.

But reptilia, it's over, it's dead and relegated to the same level as the term sauria. It's not my fault if your wiki is late...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile shows modern science still using the term "Reptilia".

Also, probably won't happen over this but I am eagerly awaiting the eventual red mark on Tauxiera's account and subsequent losing his shit over it. :3

Tauxiera said:
But reptilia, it's over, it's dead and relegated to the same level as the term sauria. It's not my fault if your wiki is late...

I suspect that you're confusing family with the class.
But if you believe that the wiki is out of date, he's one that has been updated in 2013: http://www.helsinki.fi/~mhaaramo/metazoa/deuterostoma/chordata/reptilia/reptilia_index.html
http://www.helsinki.fi/~mhaaramo/metazoa/deuterostoma/chordata/reptilia/amniota.html#Reptilia

Azazial said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile shows modern science still using the term "Reptilia".

Also, probably won't happen over this but I am eagerly awaiting the eventual red mark on Tauxiera's account and subsequent losing his shit over it. :3

There is no need to rely on outdated information ...
For example, the Pterosaur and Plesiosauroidea (which gave rise to the myth of the monster lockness) are no longer considered dinosaurs (since have known that birds come from one of three classes of dinosaurs) yet rated wiki usa, nobody has rectified.

Anyway, now I'm only about dragons.

The dinosaurs then come when I would create a wiki listing worthy of the name based on the new classifications.

Now i know what Galileo felt...

Tauxiera said:
Now i know what Galileo felt...

Galileo argued about his porn tags all the time.

Tauxiera said:
Now i know what Galileo felt...

post #127600

If you're going this way then go further, and say that you're Jesus of e621, and your dying for our tagging sins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

Galilei, This is a guy, one day he wrote on a forum "hey guys, wake up, the earth is round!"

He was stoned by a band of ignorant...
Fortunately, we have admins and janitor with culture.

If admins agree that changing a shit ton of tags before asking or telling anyone, then calling everyone ignorant because the french wiki says Dinosaurs aren't reptiles is a good thing, then I'm done with this site.

Tauxiera said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drama%20queen

"Someone who blows things way out of proportion when ever the chance is given."

People just don't agree with your opinion on one subject. That sometimes happens. Nobody is trying to stone you.

Also, mr perfect, Galileo was not stoned to death. And he definitely didn't suffer because he wrote that the Earth is round.

Sigh. Once again Tauxiera's attitude only proves that he does not deserve to be privileged..

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:

Also, mr perfect, Galileo was not stoned to death.

I know... It was only a image/idea/concept/allusion...

Tauxiera said:
I know... It was only a image/idea/concept/allusion...

Well, it was really bad. Sorry.

Pyke said:
Well, it was really bad. Sorry.

LOL... Well, it is not all that but I still have 640 dragons to check...

Tagging on e621 is not about being as scientifically accurate as possible, it's about being as HELPFUL as possible. It's about letting people find what they're wanting to see.

The common understanding of dinosaurs and dragons is that they are reptiles, and so we should be tagging them as reptiles on posts. If I search for reptiles, I'm going to expect to see dinosaurs and dragons too. I MIGHT be willing to let dragons not be considered reptiles, since there's not really any other reptile like them, but dinosaurs are basically just giant lizards, and therefore giant reptiles in the vast majority of people's minds.

While I appreciate the effort, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE never do this again without asking for a second opinion from an administrator first (preferably just post here in the forum). It makes me look like my avatar does right now. :<

Slap on the wrist. Bad, don't do it again!

I remember in school being told that Dinosaurs were the biggest reptiles that every lived. Then I watch Sesame Street and they said that they were closely related to birds. A lot of stuff you learn when your young. I still think Dinosaurs are reptiles and I through Big bird was a Dinosaurs to XD. But does the fact that some says there not really reptiles matter that much? Since they have traits that make them appear to be reptiles. Hell I use to think Hyenas were dogs.

Falord said:
I remember in school being told that Dinosaurs were the biggest reptiles that every lived. Then I watch Sesame Street and they said that they were closely related to birds. A lot of stuff you learn when your young. I still think Dinosaurs are reptiles and I through Big bird was a Dinosaurs to XD. But does the fact that some says there not really reptiles matter that much? Since they have traits that make them appear to be reptiles. Hell I use to think Hyenas were dogs.

Oh you know, I have just read this, I understand why the American wiki are still not update. it is saddening...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dinosaur

Falord said:
I remember in school being told that Dinosaurs were the biggest reptiles that every lived. Then I watch Sesame Street and they said that they were closely related to birds. A lot of stuff you learn when your young. I still think Dinosaurs are reptiles and I through Big bird was a Dinosaurs to XD. But does the fact that some says there not really reptiles matter that much? Since they have traits that make them appear to be reptiles. Hell I use to think Hyenas were dogs.

It makes a difference if you wish to study them and/or want to reassemble/clone one.
But for tagging and searching purposes? Not really.

Hmm. True that.
If you'd try to be as scientifically accurate as possible, that'd mean implicating birds with the reptile tag.

If someone searches for 'reptile', I doubt that they're hoping to find bird porn.

Char said:
If I search for reptiles, I'm going to expect to see dinosaurs and dragons too.

Scalie Tag following includes all these genres.

You know, I do not think people are doing research in a vast array of species. People click on the dragon or dinosaur and I thought it would be nice if the reptile tag gives the results of the iguanas, lizard, turtle, komodo dragon, snake ... As modern and real reptiles.

Genjar said:
Hmm. True that.
If you'd try to be as scientifically accurate as possible, that'd mean implicating birds with the reptile tag.

If someone searches for 'reptile', I doubt that they're hoping to find bird porn.

Bird are not reptile... Because dinosaur are not reptile...

Tauxiera said:
Bird are not reptile... Because dinosaur are not reptile...

To be honest, there are no real sources floating around for this. The german wiki states the same thing the english wiki says, that there is currently talk going on whether or not dinosaurs need to be taken out of the reptiles class.
To me it seems the french simply jumped on the "Dinosaurs are no reptiles"-wagon because they could, not because it was the logical thing to do.

I would wait with this until the scientists have come to a consensus on this.

Tauxiera said:
Scalie Tag following includes all these genres.
...

Not it is feral dinosaurs.

NotMeNotYou said:
To be honest, there are no real sources floating around for this. The german wiki states the same thing the english wiki says, that there is currently talk going on whether or not dinosaurs need to be taken out of the reptiles class.
To me it seems the french simply jumped on the "Dinosaurs are no reptiles"-wagon because they could, not because it was the logical thing to do.

I would wait with this until the scientists have come to a consensus on this.

dinosaurs aren't reptiles because family was "dinosaur" which evolved from reptiles..

Mammals evolved from reptiles too.. so are we now reptiles? :3

NotMeNotYou said:
To be honest, there are no real sources floating around for this. The german wiki states the same thing the english wiki says, that there is currently talk going on whether or not dinosaurs need to be taken out of the reptiles class.
To me it seems the french simply jumped on the "Dinosaurs are no reptiles"-wagon because they could, not because it was the logical thing to do.

I would wait with this until the scientists have come to a consensus on this.

There have been exactly the same problem there is a fifteen year with birds descended from dinosaurs. Some scientists today still dare say otherwise despite the results of genetic research. Despite the fact that the hypothesis thus goes back more than 50 years ...

I am also looking forward to see it all be solved.

Hammie said:
Not it is feral dinosaurs.

how preposterous!
Scalie is for all reptile lizard dragon dinosaur...

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=scalie

Well that just makes no sense.
A scalie is the equivalent of a furry.
We don't label all the ferals with fur as furries.

Hammie said:
Well that just makes no sense.
A scalie is the equivalent of a furry.
We don't label all the ferals with fur as furries.

what's with all the labels man.

We only need one tag
"Love"

Aurali said:
what's with all the labels man.

We only need one tag
"Love"

Aurali pls. You're giving me a nosebleed from being so adorable.

Aurali said:
Mammals evolved from reptiles too.. so are we now reptiles? :3

Doesn't really matter where they evolved from.

Humans are in the class Mammalia. Mammals.
Dinosaurs are in the class Reptilia. Reptiles.

That's the current consensus. But there are always differing theories, it wouldn't be science otherwise.

Five years from now? Who knows. The French wiki might've been right...or they might've jumped the gun.

Birds used to be in their own class Aves, but they're now in Reptilia. Therefore birds are technically reptiles. For now. Classification of animals is always changing.

(I'm a professional entomologist, so this is a sour subject to me. You have no idea what a pain it is to have to constantly learn new taxonomies and to try to forget the old ones.)

Hammie said:
Well that just makes no sense.
A scalie is the equivalent of a furry.
We don't label all the ferals with fur as furries.

Troll spooted. 8)

Tauxiera said:
Troll spooted. 8)

No.
And I don't appreciate being called a troll.

Scalie as used in the furry world means an anthropomorphized animal with scales.
Feral creatures shouldn't fall into that category.

Tauxiera said:
Troll spooted. 8)

Hammie is no where near being a troll.

Aurali said:
dinosaurs aren't reptiles because family was "dinosaur" which evolved from reptiles..

Mammals evolved from reptiles too.. so are we now reptiles? :3

No, we are all star dust.

Hammie said:
No.
And I don't appreciate being called a troll.

Scalie as used in the furry world means an anthropomorphized animal with scales.
Feral creatures shouldn't fall into that category.

It was used to tag ferals for very long time. And I'm pretty sure that we have other tags that are not used like furry world do.

There was even forum thread about this.
https://e621.net/forum/show/47398

Eh, whatever I don't care enough about this one.

Patch said:
Sigh. Once again Tauxiera's attitude only proves that he does not deserve to be privileged..

Yeah that's not your call.

Tauxiera said:
Troll spooted. 8)

Fix translator pls

Genjar said:
Doesn't really matter where they evolved from.

Humans are in the class Mammalia. Mammals.
Dinosaurs are in the class Reptilia. Reptiles.

That's the current consensus. But there are always differing theories, it wouldn't be science otherwise.

Five years from now? Who knows. The French wiki might've been right...or they might've jumped the gun.

Birds used to be in their own class Aves, but they're now in Reptilia. Therefore birds are technically reptiles. For now. Classification of animals is always changing.

(I'm a professional entomologist, so this is a sour subject to me. You have no idea what a pain it is to have to constantly learn new taxonomies and to try to forget the old ones.)

So they changed it! Ah just as good. I figured I might have been out of date on that, also, in the learning new taxonomies.. I'm a web security administrator.. constantly learning new vectors and smacking stupid devs is probably as aggravating

Kiparis said:
Fix translator pls

Spotted Troll ? :P

closer

Tauxiera said:
Spotted Troll ? :P

Spotted can have three meanings, how you used it would mean the troll is spotted, as in, the troll has dots on his hide.
You wanted to use "Troll spotted!" to mean that you caught sight of one.

The third meaning is used mostly in sports and means to stand near someone doing something and trying to protect him from himself while he tries some sort of stunt, for example someone tries a headstand and one person spots him by holding an arm out to prevent the headstander from falling over.

Aurali said:
So they changed it! Ah just as good. I figured I might have been out of date on that, also, in the learning new taxonomies..

I suppose it'd be better to say that it's a generally accepted. There's no central authority. Research carries a lot of weight but overall it kind of reminds me of tag wars. Without admins.

Curiously enough, this topic has been discussed in length on xkcd earlier this week: 1211 - Birds and Dinosaurs

Man, I realized there are a lot of songs about reptiles and dinosaurs.

Sorry to bring this is up again, but what about the tags and wiki entries that Tauxiera changed? I've been waiting for him to revert those, but I guess they're left for others to fix now?

Currently, dragons have no reptile tag.
Nothing changed for dinosaurs.

Except the wiki entry that you changed to say that dinosaurs aren't reptiles. And the reptile tags that you removed from dinosaurs. Fe. #328346 #317202 and who knows how many others.

As for the dragons?

Char said:
The common understanding of dinosaurs and dragons is that they are reptiles, and so we should be tagging them as reptiles on posts. If I search for reptiles, I'm going to expect to see dinosaurs and dragons too.