I've noticed a number of images involving either male anal masturbation or crossdressing are tagged as gay. My gut instinct is these are mis-tagged as gay should only apply to sex acts between members of the same sex and never to a single character, but I thought I'd ask for clarification rather than editing the tags and perhaps breaking an established convention.

cannibalkitteh said:
I've noticed a number of images involving either male anal masturbation or crossdressing are tagged as gay. My gut instinct is these are mis-tagged as gay should only apply to sex acts between members of the same sex and never to a single character, but I thought I'd ask for clarification rather than editing the tags and perhaps breaking an established convention.

Some of us strait-os dont wish to see males stuffing their own ass, so we put the gay tag. Thank you for your time.

But that's _not_ gay.

And even then, it only makes sense from a male's perspective, since female-solo pics can also be tagged as "gay" since they're gay towards female viewers. It's a totally inane tagging convention. Don't want to see solo males? Then blacklist male + solo.

Fox2K9 said:
Some of us strait-os dont wish to see males stuffing their own ass, so we put the gay tag. Thank you for your time.

Just blacklist crossdressing, and male+solo+masturbation huh?

Fox2K9 said:
Some of us strait-os dont wish to see males stuffing their own ass, so we put the gay tag. Thank you for your time.

Ah, so basically a shortcut to defend homophobic teenaged males? "Ohnoes! I saw a penis, I must reply and tell everyone how much it killed my erection and how I _didn't_ like it." ;)

Oh, and another question... Should gay be used to denote a solo character's orientation or just for displayed act?

cannibalkitteh said:
Should gay be used to denote a solo character's orientation or just for displayed act?

Act. Otherwise tag system would be useless

cannibalkitteh said:
Ah, so basically a shortcut to defend homophobic teenaged males? "Ohnoes! I saw a penis, I must reply and tell everyone how much it killed my erection and how I _didn't_ like it." ;)

I have never said such a thing. But some other guy did... Cant remember his name.
Nah, do wat you want, but i still think if a guy is picking his ass its gay. Even thou the character doesnt have to be gay.

For the second time, that's NOT gay. Now please stop intentionally mistagging the site because you're too lazy to blacklist a couple of tags.

Fox2K9 said:
I have never said such a thing. But some other guy did... Cant remember his name.
Nah, do wat you want, but i still think if a guy is picking his ass its gay. Even thou the character doesnt have to be gay.

Yes, yes, and tag girls with strapons as HERM :D

Jazz said:
Yes, yes, and tag girls with strapons as HERM :D

And pegging as gay? :p

Well tags are useful, and bad tags are just destructive. When there was an alias for handjob -> masturbation, and many of the others, It's very hard to find actual masturbation.

I agree with Jazz and CannibalKitteh that these bad tagging policies must end.

There IS a term for it, and it's called pegging. If they aren't there, they need to be. If you don't want to see it, add -pegging to your search or add it to your "do not see."

I personally do not enjoy viewing most gay artwork (or males for that matter), however I do not black list them simply because this place is such a mess BECAUSE of the bad policies and I do my fair share to try to help clean it up.

For the love of the Goddess, Please refrain from doing this. If you look up gay in the wiki, it's fairly clear, your going against tagging policy.

On a related topic, how do you think we should handle obviously gay characters? Things such as post #34720?

Should the gay tag be used since the character is obviously gay (remember, solo male + anal dildo doesn't mean gay), or should the gay tag be used only for images depicting sexual congress between two males?

Maybe the homosexual tag could refer to the character's orientation, and the gay tag should refer to the orientation of the sexual activity taking place in the image (only if there's more than one character, obviously)?

You can't SEE the sexual orientation in (most) solo pics, so I don't think we need an extra tag for that. And doesn't gay refer only to male homosexuals?

Maybe the homosexual tag could refer to the character's orientation, and the gay tag should refer to the orientation of the sexual activity taking place in the image (only if there's more than one character, obviously)?

Sounds like a good solution... It would allow people to search or blacklist "homosexual male solo" if they wanted to see or block obviously gay characters doing nothing sexual of note.

Morgh said:
You can't SEE the sexual orientation in (most) solo pics, so I don't think we need an extra tag for that. And doesn't gay refer only to male homosexuals?

Homosexual isn't an extra tag, it already exists for same sex pairings(gay and lesbian)... It would make sense to use it for the orientation, just the same as straight can be used for male/female couples.

I do agree that for the most part the orientation tag isn't really necessary, but I just need to know what to do with posts such as post #34720. Do I remove the gay tag, since it's solo and therefore can't be gay, or keep the gay tag, since the character himself is visibly gay?

tony311 said:
I do agree that for the most part the orientation tag isn't really necessary, but I just need to know what to do with posts such as post #34720. Do I remove the gay tag, since it's solo and therefore can't be gay, or keep the gay tag, since the character himself is visibly gay?

Leave the "gay" tag, add the gay tag to all other male solos that mastrubate, and that is that.
Dont make 10 new tags for shit that can be done with only one.

I'm not going to say this again. Male + solo + masturbation does NOT imply gay.

tony311 said:
I'm not going to say this again. Male + solo + masturbation does NOT imply gay.

Yes it does.

Fox2K9 said:
Yes it does.

Might I ask how?

DragonRanger said:
Might I ask how?

Magic.

tony311 said:
I'm not going to say this again. Male + solo + masturbation does NOT imply gay.

Fox2K9 said:
Yes it does.

I'm male, I masturbate and I do it in complete privacy, by myself.
I don't think this makes me gay, does it?

Exactly!

How to tell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffm_TERH2_o

You're a retard. Start a new site where only Renamon/Krystal pics are allowed and then all you straightfags can get over there.

There are female furries too, and maybe they wanna look at dicks. Not yours, obviously, but SOME dicks, and your ridiculous tagging ideas are fucking it up by being blatantly wrong.

By this same token, any post with the tag "breasts" should be tagged as "Straight" because it is pretty much meant for straight people anyway so fuck whatever's actually going on in the picture.

Fox2K9 said:
fuckin queers

Enoch-Fox said:
You're a retard. Start a new site where only Renamon/Krystal pics are allowed and then all you straightfags can get over there.

Didn't really mean for this to be a gay/straight thing, just a proper tagging thing.

Enoch-Fox said:
By this same token, any post with the tag "breasts" should be tagged as "Straight" because it is pretty much meant for straight people anyway so fuck whatever's actually going on in the picture.

Or start tagging solo females masturbating as lesbian. ;)

Start tagging straight and gay as bisexual.

cannibalkitteh said:

Didn't really mean for this to be a gay/straight thing, just a proper tagging thing.

I MADE IT a THING
I MAKE THINGS
IKEA

Men putting on dresses and anally violating themselves is pretty fucking gay, dudes. The vast majority of straight men are not exactly lining up to put on frilly dresses and pleasure their assholes all day.

I'd reiterate our 'use common sense' policy on the images but after this thread I'm not sure common sense has any meaning to most of you. Either way, for the record: just because an image has a solo male does not automatically mean it should be tagged gay, either. We do have straight female users on the site who enjoy porn of males too, as CRAZY as that sounds.

mellis said:
We do have straight female users on the site who enjoy porn of males too, as CRAZY as that sounds.

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Sexists resent

mellis said:
I'd reiterate our 'use common sense' policy on the images but after this thread I'm not sure common sense has any meaning to most of you.

I like to think my common sense is just fine, it just happens that my "ew gross" reflex is overridden by many years of sifting porn sites and a compulsive need to file things properly. ;)

mellis said:
Men putting on dresses and anally violating themselves is pretty fucking gay, dudes. The vast majority of straight men are not exactly lining up to put on frilly dresses and pleasure their assholes all day.

Right. I'm mainly talking about simply male + solo + masturbation. I talked about whether or not gay (the orientation kind, like being dressed up in a frilly dress waving your ass in the air) should be handled differently than the other gay (two males having sex) somewhere in the second page.

Yeah, no worries. Male + Solo + Masturbation isn't gay by default, it's just a male masturbating. For a solo pic to have the 'gay' tag, ideally the subject of the image should be, for lack of a better term, fairly screamingly gay. Again, use common judgement, because I mean, "gay" in the visual context covers a whole spectrum from Zangief to traps, but if a guy's running around in a pink tutu with neck scrunchies, well, I don't feel the tag is out of place.

I don't see why we really need two tags to differentiate between the act and the orientation/imagery, extra tags just clutter things and most people should be able to guess the intent of the term even with the same word, based on the image. I just don't see a situation where a person looking for gay imagery would be looking for one, but not the other.

Remember too, that because of how popular tagging convention has settled down on the site over the years, "gay" is used primarily only for male images (similar to how I see it used in most media these days) where "lesbian" is for gay females. I know it's not WHOLLY accurate but it does save on redundant tagging and most people tag that way right out the gate anways.

Fairly. SCREAMINGLY. Gay.

It's that subtle line between flamingly screamingly gay and ambiguously screamingly gay. :)

mellis said:
I don't see why we really need two tags to differentiate between the act and the orientation/imagery, extra tags just clutter things and most people should be able to guess the intent of the term even with the same word, based on the image. I just don't see a situation where a person looking for gay imagery would be looking for one, but not the other.

Homosexual is already being used to denote orientation(as straight does for heterosexual), there's a wide swath of tags to point out imagery(flaming_gay, super_gay, trap, etc). Also, I don't really think of clarifying things as "clutter" tags, that's more for tags like areola.

mellis said:
Remember too, that because of how popular tagging convention has settled down on the site over the years, "gay" is used primarily only for male images (similar to how I see it used in most media these days) where "lesbian" is for gay females. I know it's not WHOLLY accurate but it does save on redundant tagging and most people tag that way right out the gate anways.

Thing is, I don't see a whole lot of lesbian solo. The term lesbian seems to be used wholly for two or more women kissing/fucking.

>:(

mellis said:
Men putting on dresses and anally violating themselves is pretty fucking gay, dudes. The vast majority of straight men are not exactly lining up to put on frilly dresses and pleasure their assholes all day.

That doesn't make them gay. That makes them into anal stimulation and cross dressing. BOTH of which are done mainly by strait men.

VulpesFoxnik said:
That doesn't make them gay. That makes them into anal stimulation and cross dressing. BOTH of which are done mainly by strait men.

Oh no no no no no, strait men dont do that kind of shit man! Damn...

I give up on the users of this site.

I thought that happened a long time ago?

Fox2K9 said:
Oh no no no no no, strait men dont do that kind of shit man! Damn...

Get your fucking head out of your ass.

ITT VulpesFoxnik is pretty dumb.

mellis said:
ITT VulpesFoxnik is pretty dumb.

ITT you still haven't answered most of my questions... I wasn't really envisioning this sort of reaction for a simple question.

Also, Vulpes is correct, there is no magical thing that makes anal stimulation only work for women and gays. People are pretty fucking weird, and I'd expect people on a board dedicated to anthropomorphic animals fucking to understand that better than most. :p

Please enlighten me as to which of your questions you feel I have not addressed.

General consensus thus far:

Male + solo + masturbation should not be tagged as gay.

Unless the character is "fairly screamingly gay", in which it should be.

And a separate gay and homosexual tag to differentiate between orientation and the sexual act is unnecessary.

It boils down to common sense. Look at the image folks. If it's just a male jacking off or whatever, it's not inherently gay. If it's a guy in a hot pink miniskirt bent over a table eating his own spooge ramming giant dildoes up his ass, with rainbows shooting everywhere, wearing makup, done in my little pony pastel colours, with a speech bubble that says 'fuck my ass William Shatner'...maybe, just maybe, it's gay. Most images will probably fall between the two, again, I don't see why it's so hard to just use some common sense.

I'll probably have Vulpes tell me why I am wrong here but there you have it.

In two days that exact image is going to show up on the site.

I don't doubt it for a second.

In related news, if you have a picture of a nearly-naked female wearing flannel, with rippling muscles, a boy's haircut, a headband that says 'dykes on bikes', who is waving a sign around that says 'I hate the cock' while licking a swatch of shag carpet...I wouldn't lose any sleep over that being tagged 'lesbian' either.

mellis said:
Please enlighten me as to which of your questions you feel I have not addressed.

Well, if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying gay should include both acts and orientation, and I was wondering why orientation couldn't be defined by the "homosexual" tag as lesbian only seems to cover the act of hot girl on girl action.

But at this point, I mostly just feel like an ass for bringing any of it up at all, since I don't even really look at the gay stuff, I just came across a pic of a cute male in recent posts that was tagged as gay and thought it odd enough to want to ask. ;)

cannibalkitteh said:
Well, if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying gay should include both acts and orientation, and I was wondering why orientation couldn't be defined by the "homosexual" tag as lesbian only seems to cover the act of hot girl on girl action.

mellis said:
I don't see why we really need two tags to differentiate between the act and the orientation/imagery, extra tags just clutter things and most people should be able to guess the intent of the term even with the same word, based on the image. I just don't see a situation where a person looking for gay imagery would be looking for one, but not the other.

Meh, I guess it makes sense. Sorry for being all wordy and debate-y, it's just my nature. You guys run a good site, and more than anything I was just trying to not screw things up too much and fix things where I can.

FWIW, I've had a hectic last few days so a lot of the sarcasm and playful insults were going right over my head.

BTW, I'd argue the crossdressing and anal stimulation thing further, but it's immaterial to tagging for the most part, and one of those cases of different strokes for different folks.

mellis said:
It boils down to common sense. Look at the image folks. If it's just a male jacking off or whatever, it's not inherently gay. If it's a guy in a hot pink miniskirt bent over a table eating his own spooge ramming giant dildoes up his ass, with rainbows shooting everywhere, wearing makup, done in my little pony pastel colours, with a speech bubble that says 'fuck my ass William Shatner'...maybe, just maybe, it's gay. Most images will probably fall between the two, again, I don't see why it's so hard to just use some common sense.

And I'm sorry about not being very useful. I was just adding color commentary since CannibleKitty and others with their heads on strait seemed to have it mostly covered.

I'll probably have Vulpes tell me why I am wrong here but there you have it.

Nope, thats pretty gay. I'd say the "Fuck my ass William Shatner" would be the tip off. Eating your own spooge would
be iffy, considering some women preform snowballing. And crossdressing wouldn't. We have a tag already for girly as well. It seems to fit some of the trapish situations that are not actually traps.

mellis said:
I don't doubt it for a second.

In related news, if you have a picture of a nearly-naked female wearing flannel, with rippling muscles, a boy's haircut, a headband that says 'dykes on bikes', who is waving a sign around that says 'I hate the cock' while licking a swatch of shag carpet...I wouldn't lose any sleep over that being tagged 'lesbian' either.

Necropost, but just so new users now, we have the stated_homosexuality tag for that.

DSR1337 said:
Necropost, but

5 years ago

I'd say. :O

DSR1337 said:
Necropost, but just so new users now, we have the stated_homosexuality tag for that.

Out of curiosity, how did you even find this?

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Tokaido said:
Out of curiosity, how did you even find this?

I think this thread was actually on the very last page (I have looked through some of the very oldest threads out of boredom and the topic seems familiar). I'd guess he clicked the last page when he meant to click next or something, and didn't see the dates...

I have never before wanted to downvote a member so much.

Danm you must be a really skilled necromancer to revive a thread that has been dead for 5 years.