General arthropod, crustacean, arachnid, insect etc. discussion with relation to e621

What is the mantis in this post considered to be in terms of body type?

post #306530

• feral
• anthro
• ???

Found about about an insectoid tag, but not really sure what it's for

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post #87479

• bestiality?
• human_on_feral?

titanmelon said:
What is the mantis in this post considered to be in terms of body type?

post #306530

• feral
• anthro
• ???

Feral is for feral animals. That one is a clearly anthropomorphized mantis.
The second one is also anthro, based on the wide torso and neck, and basic hands.

Insectoid is a leftover from time before the anthro and insect_humanoid tags. I think the conversation went something like this: "If anthro mammals are called furries, and anthro reptiles are called scalies, then what do we call anthro insects?". Insectoid was the best term we could come up with. Not sure if it's actually needed for anything anymore, but I've been tagging it out of habit.

Genjar said:
Feral is for feral animals. That one is a clearly anthropomorphized mantis.
The second one is also anthro, based on the wide torso and neck, and basic hands.

Well, yeah, but i mean..ok some more examples should illustrate this point more easily,

The main question here is:
'Do the anthro, and possibly humanoid tags sufficiently allow the level of nuance required to distinguish examples from within itself without the need for additional,possibly unecessary tags/other criteria?

i.e. What's the criteria, limit, or otherwise for 'anthro'? When compared to the humanoid and feral tags?

I think stuff like this becomes more noticeable the further away from the mammal taxa you go

titanmelon said:

from most to least feral:

(unfinished, but hopefully you get the idea)

post #290446
a talking feral mantis.
aside from speech, and maybe expression, no humanoid features at all

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post #272959
humanoid proportions - limbs, somewhat humanoid 'thighs', torso,
with feral features - head, abdomen, appendages

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post #340726
humanoid proportions - arms legs, head,
with feral features -

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post #501695
humanoid proportions - arms, legs, head,
with feral features - on upper body (human legs, pelvis)

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post #294274
this is probably a humanoid - human genitals, fingers, breasts, hair.
humanoid proportions (shoulders, neck,)

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post #504084
this is probably a humanoid
human breasts/nipples, hair, eyelashes, stomach, navel, torso shape/features, humanoid limbs
feral abomen forelimbs, ..patella?

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post #679781
???
anthro/humanoid? - breasts etc.
Could be a person in a green bodysuit and mask, with a fake pair of limbs

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post #509190
this is probably a humanoid
mostly humanioid - face/jaw, limbs, torso/neck, extremities, hair, eye shape
with some superficial feral features - green skin, some kind of palps/antennae?, teeth, labelled features

The first one is feral, the rest are anthro. Those are anthropomorphic mantises and clearly 'furry', though I suppose the last one might be debatable.

titanmelon said:
i.e. What's the criteria, limit, or otherwise for 'anthro'? When compared to the humanoid and feral tags?

It's not linear.
Feral: Feral animals.
Anthro: Anthropomorphic animals. Animals with human features.
Humanoid: Humans with some non-human features. Mostly non-furry, though the category includes humans with animal features (animal_humanoid).

Humanoid is mostly for things like Orcs, Elves, Vulcans, etc. They look human but with different coloration or shapes of their ears. A "Humanoid" Mantis is going to just be anthro. Take Monster Musume--They're humans tacked onto animals, like centaurs, driders, lamia;that human "half" warrents humanoid. Things like Naga on the other hand don't have a human half, they're more of an anthro snake.

Characters like Muffet and WhiteMantis's orchid mantis might look "Very human" but they're still only anthro unless they actually look like their body had a human spliced on.

So, insect_abdomen_penetration is something I think needs to be tagged. I find that really hot, while there are people who probably find it disgusting. There's also the case of pussies and anuses on the insect abdomen rather than the pelvic region.

Furrin_Gok said:
So, insect_abdomen_penetration is something I think needs to be tagged. I find that really hot, while there are people who probably find it disgusting. There's also the case of pussies and anuses on the insect abdomen rather than the pelvic region.

Yes please

Noticed (or rather, didn't) that there's no tag for that, and if there is, it's not readily apparent

If one doesn't exist, +1 to making that and populating it

It's relatively rare though, so there'd probably not be much

Thought of another point while looking for those:

In relation the above anthro points for insects, and other arthropods as well:

Let's say someone wants to find a specific style of posts - closer to feral than anthro, but not completely feral,

they search for anthro [whatever other criteria]

How do they know that the search results would give them what they're looking for?

If i didn't know about the above posts beforehand, there's likely no way I could've found them via deliberate tag search

brings up pretty much everything that's tagged with that, and since the anthro definition is so broad, you're basically playing a guessing game of chance

first page result: post #815852

titanmelon said:

Let's say someone wants to find a specific style of posts - closer to feral than anthro, but not completely feral,

they search for anthro [whatever other criteria]

How do they know that the search results would give them what they're looking for?

I don't know. What are they looking for?
Tags such as flat_chest, paws ^{_{(just an example, not applicable to insect searches)}} and insect_wings can be useful for such searches, but 'closer to feral' is highly subjective.

For instance, I would've sorted that ´from most to least feral'-list in a completely different way. Any tag that's supposed to be tagged for 'borderline anthros' is always going to be a mess.

Users can't agree where the exact line lies between anthro and feral, and that leads to constant tag wars. It would be much worse if there were more than two to choose from.

As for insects... If I were searching for borderline anthro insects, I'd search for something like insect -breasts -butt anthro multi_limb. I think we could use some kind of insect_abdomen tag, since there's currently no way to search for those.

titanmelon said:
Yes please

Noticed (or rather, didn't) that there's no tag for that, and if there is, it's not readily apparent

If one doesn't exist, +1 to making that and populating it

It's relatively rare though, so there'd probably not be much

Some I'm aware of:

post #306530

post #316414

post #590151 (kinda)

What would the tags be, though? insect_abdomen_genitals (Umbrella for all), insect_abdomen_pussy, insect_abdomen_penis, insect_abdomen_anus, and insect_abdomen_cloaca (This one would be used in the event it's not clear to prevent confusion on what else to tag)?

Should vespoid exist?
..so I actually read the wiki article for it

And apparently it's a Monster Hunter creature or something, not the Superfamily
(Vespoidea are basically ants and wasps)

Should we have a tag for the superfamily, or is insect fine for now?

The tag would be useful for cases where the generic animal characteristics are present, but it's not certain whether or not it's an actual animal

(i.e. what we're supposedly using monster for)

Furrin_Gok said:
What would the tags be, though? [..]

insect_abdomen_penetration seems to still exist, so there's that

I asked about what to tag the orifice in another forum somewhere
https://e621.net/forum/show/214396

but there wasn't much agreement about it. Maybe when more people discover it we can get standard name

Genjar said:
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Users can't agree where the exact line lies between anthro and feral, and that leads to constant tag wars. It would be much worse if there were more than two to choose from.

1. Hm, do you think we should have an 'official' definition for each of the body types somewhere?

1b. ..as well as officially determining exactly just how many of the broader body type tags exist (like anthro, feral, humanoid, etc)

the content in tag group:body type is a great starting point

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As for insects... If I were searching for borderline anthro insects, I'd search for something like insect -breasts -butt anthro multi_limb. I think we could use some kind of insect_abdomen tag, since there's currently no way to search for those.

2. What about using the generic anatomical terms? (head, thorax, abdomen)?

The latter might conflict with tags like abdominal_bulge in mammals though, but that's debatable