Welcome to 2015 where stuff JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE!!!

Just yestereday I had the privilege to talk to someone thats privilege about how higher ranking people have more privileges, well this person was an idiot. Saying that YOU check the source of the photo and you see "Anal" and "Vaginal", what do you think your going to do. Yep, you guessed it, tag "Anal" and "Vaginal". But guess what? Theirs OTHER people that look at this with their eye (in which they are half blind) and say "fuck this, this is not vaginal", and so they REMOVE the tag "Vaginal" and they also add "Dickgirl" (ooooh a double hitter) and then they pack up and leave. This TAGGING system is very sensitive so what they did was made BLACKLISTING system. Now their's a Problem with this BLACKLISTING and it's called "BLOCKING a good picture". Now say you like "Herms" in this instance and you find you favourite picture blocked all of the sudden, whadda doo? YOU FIX IT!!! *clears throat* and you know why you had to fix it? because you blocked something that you thought might not affected your favourite picture but somebody put that tag their because they "tag what they see". all I'm trying to say is that "your judging a book by it's cover." yes that's right guys and gals, making it so you have to see the picture to write about it; it's just isn't enough INFORMATION! So, I say is we take a VOTE to choose to ether "judge a book by it's cover" or *gasps* *queue magic sound affects* "we OPEN it" (what a surprise, it makes the E621 world a better place). So what do you say people? Are WE (human beings, totally capable of reading, writing, COMMUNICATING to OTHER human beings) going to work our buns off just to find out it was all a lie? Or are we going to use our COMMUNICATION skill to figure out what were looking at?

I wouldn't care more or less if i got banned from this because their needs to be better improvements on the tagging system. It's beautiful on the outside but there's flaws on the inside.

But I do care about admins closing this topic because they're scared of a change in the system. don't be scared of a little change, think twice before closing this and actually vote with the other people.

and to add my favourite line

"I'm Randell Moore"

Your post is a literary obstacle course.

Every system has flaws. I like TWYS, and based on the numerous attempts people have made to change it - and the administrative responses - it's not likely to go away. Cheers.

like I said. Does the tagging system need to change to make it a little bit better.

sorry if it doesn't make sense i wasn't at the top peak of English even though it's my main language.

Maybe I should take my mothers advice... learn french...

#rockonCanada

We can only use the source to verify character names, and only in certain circumstances. That is it. In no case do sex acts, gender, hair color, species, etc. get verified by the source. Mentioning what is on the source is irrelevant.

As for the picture, I'm assuming you're talking about this one:

post #555181

This is definitely an edge case (since you can't see the pussy) and I could understand how someone might retag as dickgirl based on that. However, in this case the angles do look like anal + vaginal. Furthermore the "closer" dildo has fluid running down it that looks like it might be pussy juice, but it could also be lube.

There is a lot of regular cleaning between dickgirl/herm that needs to be done because they are frequently mixed up. At a glance, it does look to be a dickgirl so I could understand how it could get interpreted differently, especially when you are doing lots of tag editing. In other words, I doubt it was done maliciously.

I personally believe based on the angles it is herm, but I think it would be better to get an admin decision on this one, the rant here is definitely not helping your case though.

yeah that one

didn't want to expose to much it was me having an augurment but i guess it shows in the main topic.

parasprite said:
I personally believe based on the angles it is herm, but I think it would be better to get an admin decision on this one.

I'm inclined to agree on both counts. Based on tag history, it's been back and forth for a while.

@guilmon6 : If you have issues with tagging on particular images and feel there is evidence to support your side, contact an admin to make the call. A lot less stress-inducing than constantly "fixing" it...and avoids potential negatives against you for taking part in a tag war. (Advice I've taken to heart in the past.)

I like the tagging system. Sure it doesn't always fit, with what the artist intended. But TWYS remove most of the vagueness in posts. Which in turn make searching and finding what I want to see, much easier. I prefer it over being forced to see what the artist see.

Nyteshade said:
I'm inclined to agree on both counts. Based on tag history, it's been back and forth for a while.

@guilmon6 : If you have issues with tagging on particular images and feel there is evidence to support your side, contact an admin to make the call. A lot less stress-inducing than constantly "fixing" it...and avoids potential negatives against you for taking part in a tag war. (Advice I've taken to heart in the past.)

Last time I've asked an admin for help on something they never replied back so instead of getting the same results as last time, I went ahead and talked to the person that was tagging it as "Dickgirl". After that the arguement ended and I decided to make a vote.

Don't really understand what you're saying.
What I do understand is that TWYS is order.
TWYS is usability.[/u]

I bet if I went on a rant while hooked up to an intravenous infusion of Monster energy drink it would look something like this, not counting the grammatical errors. I can't even figure out what kind of point you're attempting to make. I will say though that we don't use this system because we are scared of change. We use it because it works. Just because one out of five thousand users can't cope with it doesn't make it a bad system.

I like the TWYS system, i always find what i want, i know what i need to tag without relying on external sources (imagine having to go through 50 pics and a bunch of journals on FA to determine if its a dickgirl or herm).

Sometimes things get shady when tagging, but the system works. I think

I feel I should point out that I didn't bring up my privileged status at all in the PM discussion with this person.
Not even to show my experience level, he came up with all of that in his own head.
Privileged basically just gives me a couple extra tools and a higher upload limit, it doesn't provide me with any form of authority whatsoever.

Also, being rude and insulting really wasn't needed at all.
Now that it's brought up we can leave it to an admin to decide.

As for throwing away TWYS because of one disagreement over what the correct tags on an image are?
Seems like a rather large over-reaction.

guilmon6 said:
Welcome to 2015 where stuff JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!

Just yesterday I had the privilege to talk to someone thats privilege about how higher ranking people have more privileges, well this person was an idiot. Saying that YOU check the source of the photo and you see "Anal" and "Vaginal", what do you think your going to do. Yep, you guessed it, tag "Anal" and "Vaginal". But guess what? Theirs OTHER people that look at this with their eye (in which they are half blind) and say "fuck this, this is not vaginal", and so they REMOVE the tag "Vaginal" and they also add "Dickgirl" (ooooh a double hitter) and then they pack up and leave. This TAGGING system is very sensitive so what they did was made BLACKLISTING system. Now their's a Problem with this BLACKLISTING and it's called "BLOCKING a good picture". Now say you like "Herms" in this instance and you find you favourite picture blocked all of the sudden, whadda doo? YOU FIX IT!!! *clears throat* and you know why you had to fix it? because you blocked something that you thought might not affected your favourite picture but somebody put that tag their because they "tag what they see". all I'm trying to say is that "your judging a book by it's cover." yes that's right guys and gals, making it so you have to see the picture to write about it; it's just isn't enough INFORMATION! So, I say is we take a VOTE to choose to ether "judge a book by it's cover" or *gasps* *queue magic sound affects* "we OPEN it" (what a surprise, it makes the E621 world a better place). So what do you say people? Are WE (human beings, totally capable of reading, writing, COMMUNICATING to OTHER human beings) going to work our buns off just to find out it was all a lie? Or are we going to use our COMMUNICATION skill to figure out what were looking at?

This physically hurt to read.
Either that or my migraine is coming back.

guilmon6 said:
I wouldn't care more or less if i got banned from this because their needs to be better improvements on the tagging system. It's beautiful on the outside but there's flaws on the inside.

The system isn't flawed just because you have trouble understanding it.

guilmon6 said:
But I do care about admins closing this topic because they're scared of a change in the system. don't be scared of a little change, think twice before closing this and actually vote with the other people.

and to add my favourite line

"I'm Randell Moore"

There is no voting in a monarchy, TWYS is superior to the other options presented to us throughout the years, so we stick with it.

TWYS is love.
TWYS is life.

My main character, and the subject of most of my uploads, is a herm. I more often than not have to tag her as female or dickgirl because of the TWYS rules.

I'll admit that it irked me at first, but then I came to understand why it is the way it is. Because most people on this site are looking for things they can see, not what's behind the scenes, or what the artist/commissioner wanted us to see.

Anyway, yeah, I like TWYS rules. It makes it possible to find what I search for, it wouldn't work otherwise.

Please learn how to use the edit button. Also, there are so many users that have suggested that the tagging system changes. The answer is always no.

JoeX said:
Please learn how to use the edit button. Also, there are so many users that have suggested that the tagging system changes. The answer is always no.

This isn't true. In my administration alone, there have been two major updates to the TWYS system based on user feedback. Char had a few during his reign as well.

However, what does get shut down is a complete changeover to an entirely new grass-roots system that is 1. unproven 2. complicated 3. requires significant changes to the site with no equivalent return.

e621 is a superior site to most due to its structure, as well as its faithful userbase. Changing how we structure our site runs a huge risk, and we are not likely to jump ship without a proven track record that makes sense, easy to implement, and universally accepted. To date, there really hasn't been a system like that.

Generally, it's been better to adapt the existing model to solve an unforeseen problem rather than just scrapping everything and starting over.

TWYS isn't perfect, no one has said that, but it's the best model for what we have. It may be messy, but it works. If someone has an idea to make it better, I'm all ears.

You know, it comes up more often when someone is complaining against TWYS, but there's mountains of positive regard for TWYS as well.

I also shared e621 with someone a month ago because they were complaining how hard it is to search for something on image sites. They didn't believe any site was any better at it. So I showed them e621 and let them try it. What they said was that even though they don't really get off to furry stuff (not their thing) they almost wished that they did have more of an interest in furries just because they loved the way searches worked here. So they used that search functionality to browse the few things they do like, and then were sad to run out of material that interested them. TWYS is the whole reason why they loved this site even though 70% of the content wasn't their type of content. TWYS is why they found it worth putting up with furry content everywhere. That's because it's an asset, not something detrimental to the site.

So I know we get to hear the reasons why some people don't like TWYS or find it confusing. But these are some of the reasons I joined e621 exactly because it has TWYS and all of the benefits I am constantly grateful to it for. It's not as negative as the occasional person sometimes makes it out to be. So just to bring up some of the other side of opinions about TWYS and to keep it in perspective...

Mostly I find people who have a strong grasp of how language works tend to appreciate TWYS. Conversely, people who are promoting anti-TWYS policies often seem to consider their particular choice of tagging as 'obvious', whereas language is a mess and very little is actually 'obvious'. This is why TWYS is so good -- it's based on 'objective observations anyone can make' and specifically excludes the use of special knowledge (such as you might possess if the artist is your friend).

Dang it pickle, why you have to say what I was going to say but so much better? :P

Whole heartedly agree

I can't upvote in the forums, but that post sure as hell deserves one.