Ah yes, Fascism.

When people advocate for personal, financial, and religious freedom, a small government that doesn't get involved in pointless wars, invent stupid taxes and regulations just to jerk off to its own reflection, use money stolen from its own populace to bail out the ultra rich, or spies on it's own civilians, and a rule of live and let live.

Truly a despicable form of governance.

plug-chewin said:
Ah yes, Fascism.

When people advocate for personal, financial, and religious freedom, a small government that doesn't get involved in pointless wars, invent stupid taxes and regulations just to jerk off to its own reflection, use money stolen from its own populace to bail out the ultra rich, or spies on it's own civilians, and a rule of live and let live.

Truly a despicable form of governance.

It could be argued that the recent wave of policies against sexual and gender minorities, assaults on abortion rights and other similar developments reveal the lack of actual substance behind the whole "small government conservative" rhetoric.

Is that the Gadston snake dead? Or am I mistaken?

you do know that the yellow snake is the symbol of libertarians, not fascists, right?

youngseeker said:
It could be argued that the recent wave of policies against sexual and gender minorities, assaults on abortion rights and other similar developments reveal the lack of actual substance behind the whole "small government conservative" rhetoric.

It's almost as if politicians affiliated with a party are payed to tell bold faced lies as they get payed to sow divide and act as fear mongers to get more votes, and pass more and more legislation that strips people of their rights.

superiorcheerios said:
you do know that the yellow snake is the symbol of libertarians, not fascists, right?

I don't think the poster actually knows the definition of fascism, and thus uses it as a buzz word, and demeans the actual definition.

IE, someone who didn't understand the moral of Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that there is a very large gap between libertarianism and fascism. in fact, I'm pretty sure they mean the exact opposite thing.

why it's a rattlesnake and not an eagle? fascists were obsessed over restoring the glory of rome and the eagle (regular eagle, not the bald one, which is representative for murica) was their symbolic animal, while the rattlesnake is the symbol of libertarianism

Plug-Chewin said:
Ah yes, Fascism.

When people advocate for personal, financial, and religious freedom, a small government that doesn't get involved in pointless wars, invent stupid taxes and regulations just to jerk off to its own reflection, use money stolen from its own populace to bail out the ultra rich, or spies on it's own civilians, and a rule of live and let live.

Truly a despicable form of governance.

Why are you booing? He's right!

youngseeker said:
Wide variety of people have used that symbol during its history - including many of those who are now supporting the policies criticized in the image. And I would be more concerned about those policies than about an improper treatment of some yellow cartoon snake.

I mean... a lot of people are against transitioning children, you don't know what's right and wrong for yourself when you are that young, especially before puberty where it's impossible to fully understand those kind of things and during puberty because the body is undergoing extreme changes.
if that's their argument than it is not really that difficult to understand them, and it doesn't really sound fascist to me... some may even be able to stretch it as common sense

it is a very complicated subject though, and even people that show support toward transgender adults can be against it

Is this a repost

youngseeker said:
It could be argued that the recent wave of policies against sexual and gender minorities, assaults on abortion rights and other similar developments reveal the lack of actual substance behind the whole "small government conservative" rhetoric.

Which is not what the snake from the post represents

youngseeker said:
Wide variety of people have used that symbol during its history - including many of those who are now supporting the policies criticized in the image. And I would be more concerned about those policies than about an improper treatment of some yellow cartoon snake.

As a supporter of the actual meaning behind the snake i don’t want fascist to own the symbol. Please stop depicing the snake as a fascist symbol, that’s what they want, to be associated with an otherwise good symbol.

Since I notice a lot of people responding to the whataboutism here...

Fascism is, by its very nature, a statist and ultranationalist ideology. Think Italy or Spain circa WWII. Due to this, it is correctly identified as a conservative/right-wing ideology, and an extreme one at that.

Under it, literally everything exists to serve the state (read: the government - fascism isn't "small-government" by any stretch of the imagination) and is disposed of when they are no longer of any realistic use. They see war not as something to be avoided, but as an absolute necessity for the good of the state. (Think 1984's "We've always been at war with Eastasia.") They firmly believe they do not need anyone else, with the ultimate goal being autarky or self-sufficiency (and thus, no dependency on possible future targets for their next war). While not inherently bigoted, institutionalised bigotry is common as it makes achieving their goals much easier by giving them an "other" to rail against.

The left-wing counterpart is anarchy - which rejects the notion of state, centralised government, or nationalism entirely and operates more on a "do as you will within reason" mindset, focusing on collectivism.

V for Vendetta gives somewhat of a view as to how fascism operates, as the government in it is very deliberately fascist. (Moore specifically wrote it as fascism vs. anarchy and was annoyed when the film was an anti-communism tract.)

bongani said:
Since I notice a lot of people responding to the whataboutism here...

Fascism is, by its very nature, a statist and ultranationalist ideology. Think Italy or Spain circa WWII. Due to this, it is correctly identified as a conservative/right-wing ideology, and an extreme one at that.

Under it, literally everything exists to serve the state (read: the government - fascism isn't "small-government" by any stretch of the imagination) and is disposed of when they are no longer of any realistic use. They see war not as something to be avoided, but as an absolute necessity for the good of the state. (Think 1984's "We've always been at war with Eastasia.") They firmly believe they do not need anyone else, with the ultimate goal being autarky or self-sufficiency (and thus, no dependency on possible future targets for their next war). While not inherently bigoted, institutionalised bigotry is common as it makes achieving their goals much easier by giving them an "other" to rail against.

No one here is saying fascism is a “small goverment, for freedom” ideology, we’re saying the “yellow cartoon snake” is NOT to be a fascist symbol like the post is trying to imply.

insulindianphasmid said:
No one here is saying fascism is a “small goverment, for freedom” ideology, we’re saying the “yellow cartoon snake” is NOT to be a fascist symbol like the post is trying to imply.

I'm not commenting about the snake. I'm referring to responses to the first, currently hidden-to-me-for-want-of-score, comment.

bongani said:
I'm not commenting about the snake. I'm referring to responses to the first, currently hidden-to-me-for-want-of-score, comment.

I’m pretty sure they’re mocking the author for depicting the snake as fascist when the snake IS a “for freedom small goverment” symbol

Ah yes the ever tolerant left, with their cries about people forcing ideology down their throat while they force their ideology down people's throats. You cry about fascism, while acting like a Nazi seeking the government to help you force your opinion on others. You talk about protecting youth, while encouraging stunting their growth and mutilating their bodies, instead of teaching them so they can make an informed choice when their minds are fully grown and can comprehend the choice. You laugh at people "denying science" when refusing a vaccine but then deny it yourself by denying biological fact that people lack the ability to change genders (by any means). If you ever want to know who the real "baddies" are, just look at who your not allowed to criticize.

And the hate I'll receive on this post proves my point. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot on a human face forever." - George Orwell

thekinetic said:
Ah yes the ever tolerant left, with their cries about people forcing ideology down their throat while they force their ideology down people's throats. You cry about fascism, while acting like a Nazi seeking the government to help you force your opinion on others. You talk about protecting youth, while encouraging stunting their growth and mutilating their bodies, instead of teaching them so they can make an informed choice when their minds are fully grown and can comprehend the choice. You laugh at people "denying science" when refusing a vaccine but then deny it yourself by denying biological fact that people lack the ability to change genders (by any means). If you ever want to know who the real "baddies" are, just look at who your not allowed to criticize.

And the hate I'll receive on this post proves my point. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot on a human face forever." - George Orwell

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thekinetic said:
Ah yes the ever tolerant left

You lost me right there. No self-respecting person would say that if they want to be taken seriously.

A lot of people are criticizing the use of the Gadsden flag snake by claiming libertarianism is opposed to fascism, but much like with people who claim to be centrist, people who claim to be libertarians (at least, in the US) are much closer aligned with the reactionary far-right than anything else, so unless we've got a room full of True Scotsmen here there's a lot less daylight between these ideologies than they'd like to believe

bongani said:
Since I notice a lot of people responding to the whataboutism here...

Fascism is, by its very nature, a statist and ultranationalist ideology. Think Italy or Spain circa WWII. Due to this, it is correctly identified as a conservative/right-wing ideology, and an extreme one at that.

Under it, literally everything exists to serve the state (read: the government - fascism isn't "small-government" by any stretch of the imagination) and is disposed of when they are no longer of any realistic use. They see war not as something to be avoided, but as an absolute necessity for the good of the state. (Think 1984's "We've always been at war with Eastasia.") They firmly believe they do not need anyone else, with the ultimate goal being autarky or self-sufficiency (and thus, no dependency on possible future targets for their next war). While not inherently bigoted, institutionalised bigotry is common as it makes achieving their goals much easier by giving them an "other" to rail against.

The left-wing counterpart is anarchy - which rejects the notion of state, centralised government, or nationalism entirely and operates more on a "do as you will within reason" mindset, focusing on collectivism.

V for Vendetta gives somewhat of a view as to how fascism operates, as the government in it is very deliberately fascist. (Moore specifically wrote it as fascism vs. anarchy and was annoyed when the film was an anti-communism tract.)

Okay so, you're actually wrong on several counts. Facism is NOT a right-wing ideaology. This is probably the part where you expect me to say "facism is left-wing." See the thing is... that is ALSO untrue. Facism is neither left, nor right. In fact, it contains policies and ideaologies that both you, and I hold. I'm going to list some actual facist standpoints, and you can decide for yourself where they fall on the left-right scale. These are things the actual facists believed. You can read their literature and confirm for yourself.

"Civilians should all give up their weapons. You don't need a gun to defend yourself, that's what the state is for!"

"This country was once great, and it can so be again, if we are willing to work hard, and make sacrifices."

"Our idealogical opponents are cruel-hearted and evil. They must NOT be allowed to speak, lest they poison the public against our idealogy."

"We must protect religious values, but only those values belonging to the state-sponsored, government approved religion. All others are enemies of the state."

"Capitalism sucks. Capitalists are greedy pigs, who would exploit the labor of their fellow man, and contribute nothing to the world."

"Communism sucks, communists are subversive villains, who's only goals are to destroy your way of life."

You see what I mean yet? Sure, if you really want to cherry pick the things you're criticizing, and paint facism as a left or right-wing idealogy, but that see, that's a terrible idea. Not only because you are ignoring cold, hard, historical fact, but also because you are driving a wedge between people. By painting your idealogical opponents as facists or nazis, you're giving yourself an excuse to not listen to what they have to say.

Even worse, you are dehumanizing them. You are making it acceptable to commit political violence against them. Physical violence, because somebody holds an opinion you don't like, is unacceptable. Dehumanization is the first step torwards murdering your political opponents,and if we could all grow the FUCK up, and stop trying to label eachother nazis, we could actually sit down, have a discussion, and solve the problems this country is facing. Instead of screeching meaningless insults like children throwing temper tantrums on the playground.

But so long as you insist on "everyone I don't like is a nazi" then we aren't going to get anywhere, except maybe into a civil war.

EDIT: also, regardless of which side you're on, remember that we are talking about AN ENTIRE HALF of the American population. Why does nobody seem to get that? You are positing that A FULL 50% of EVERYBODY in this country, is a goosestepping nazi. People who's grandfathers and great-grandfathers FOUGHT the fucking Nazis. Stop it. Get some help.

My gawd, people got all bent out shape on this one didn't they. It's just a picture, even if the artist was trying make some form of political statement. Comment section really isn't location for a political debate though, maybe some these should take their conversation to a chat room or forum post discussing.

Shoutouts to all the disingenuous little dweebs here whining about the "tolerant left" and how fascism isn't real when this very morning Missouri essentially banned transition for anyone of any age. No skin off your nose I guess. All you care about is your fucking porn.

plug-chewin said:
Ah yes, Fascism.

When people advocate for personal, financial, and religious freedom, a small government that doesn't get involved in pointless wars, invent stupid taxes and regulations just to jerk off to its own reflection, use money stolen from its own populace to bail out the ultra rich, or spies on it's own civilians, and a rule of live and let live.

Truly a despicable form of governance.

Ah yes, freedom and a small government, regulating what people can and cant do with their own fucking bodies, banning books and education, and criminalizing the existence of transgender people, whilst eroding the separatiom between church and state. Eat shit, Cryptofascist.

dynamitegrizzly said:
Shoutouts to all the disingenuous little dweebs here whining about the "tolerant left" and how fascism isn't real when this very morning Missouri essentially banned transition for anyone of any age. No skin off your nose I guess. All you care about is your fucking porn.

"Fascism is when people want to prevent the removal of perfectly healthy genitals and breasts"
-dynamitegrizzly

lol. lmao even.

fox_crown said:
why it's a rattlesnake and not an eagle? fascists were obsessed over restoring the glory of rome and the eagle (regular eagle, not the bald one, which is representative for murica) was their symbolic animal, while the rattlesnake is the symbol of libertarianism

Actually, the symbol of fascism is the fascis, an ancient weapon consisting of a bundle of sticks tied around an axe. The iron eagle was used by the Nazis whose ideology was similar to fascism but not the same thing. Although the iron eagle wasn't their main symbol and was actually something carried over from imperial Germany similar to the iron cross.

superiorcheerios said:
you do know that the yellow snake is the symbol of libertarians, not fascists, right?

Fascists unfortunately infiltrate a lot of libertarian spaces, and many libertarians also independently have some pretty fascistic views, which often makes Libertarian spaces tollerant toward fascism. Not saying they're all fascists, obviously not, but i mean, a lot Libertarian groups have some pretty extreme ideas, often about immigration and religion, even eugenics in some cases, which completely contradicts the REST of their Anarcho-Capitalist ideology. Its kinda wild, tbh, some doublethink shit. "Dont tread on me! But definitely tread on others, who I dont like."

I suppose the irony is lost on most people here. People are so wrapped up in their ideology that if you were to take it away from them they would be nothing. Fascism, as described in a previous comment, is a system where people work to support the state; which is correct. What is wrong is calling it right wing. The right often calls, and has always called for smaller government which is diametrically apposed to Fascism. Really Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left. It is better to think of the left vs right argument as the left is more government control and the right is less government control. The left chants "bash the fash" implying that if you do not think the way they do they will use violence against you to make you think the way they do. Where as the right chants "might is right" implying that we shouldn't protect people who can't protect themselves; simply put "laws of nature".

So where does that leave us? The further left you go the more the government controls you, the further right you go the more nature controls you. Where you want to sit on the government control spectrum is up to you, but here is my opinion on how to live a life of freedom in a "modern society".

1) Understand the government is absolutely evil. No matter who is in power, no matter if it is your party, no matter if they say the things that you want to hear. Know that the government is only out for itself and you are just a resource to them.

2) Understand that the government is necessary. Bearing in mind that they are evil, governments creat some semblance of security. Some laws protect vulnerabilities that you cannot protect on your own. However governments should be as small as possible. Governments take more than they give.

3) Always be armed. There is no clearer declaration of freedom than being armed. It is a statement that you are subject to no one's destiny than your own. If you can buy a gun, get a gun. If all you can carry is a stick, then get a big one. Get training, be well regulated.

Anyway, this is too much for a port site.

couch said:
Okay so, you're actually wrong on several counts. Facism is NOT a right-wing ideaology. This is probably the part where you expect me to say "facism is left-wing." See the thing is... that is ALSO untrue. Facism is neither left, nor right. In fact, it contains policies and ideaologies that both you, and I hold. I'm going to list some actual facist standpoints, and you can decide for yourself where they fall on the left-right scale. These are things the actual facists believed. You can read their literature and confirm for yourself.

"Civilians should all give up their weapons. You don't need a gun to defend yourself, that's what the state is for!"

"This country was once great, and it can so be again, if we are willing to work hard, and make sacrifices."

"Our idealogical opponents are cruel-hearted and evil. They must NOT be allowed to speak, lest they poison the public against our idealogy."

"We must protect religious values, but only those values belonging to the state-sponsored, government approved religion. All others are enemies of the state."

"Capitalism sucks. Capitalists are greedy pigs, who would exploit the labor of their fellow man, and contribute nothing to the world."

"Communism sucks, communists are subversive villains, who's only goals are to destroy your way of life."

You see what I mean yet? Sure, if you really want to cherry pick the things you're criticizing, and paint facism as a left or right-wing idealogy, but that see, that's a terrible idea. Not only because you are ignoring cold, hard, historical fact, but also because you are driving a wedge between people. By painting your idealogical opponents as facists or nazis, you're giving yourself an excuse to not listen to what they have to say.

Even worse, you are dehumanizing them. You are making it acceptable to commit political violence against them. Physical violence, because somebody holds an opinion you don't like, is unacceptable. Dehumanization is the first step torwards murdering your political opponents,and if we could all grow the FUCK up, and stop trying to label eachother nazis, we could actually sit down, have a discussion, and solve the problems this country is facing. Instead of screeching meaningless insults like children throwing temper tantrums on the playground.

But so long as you insist on "everyone I don't like is a nazi" then we aren't going to get anywhere, except maybe into a civil war.

EDIT: also, regardless of which side you're on, remember that we are talking about AN ENTIRE HALF of the American population. Why does nobody seem to get that? You are positing that A FULL 50% of EVERYBODY in this country, is a goosestepping nazi. People who's grandfathers and great-grandfathers FOUGHT the fucking Nazis. Stop it. Get some help.

YOU are wrong. It is a far right ideology. Its is authoritarian, traditionalist, etc etc etc. You are falling for fascist populist tricks, using the appearance of left-wing values to gain power, and trick centrists. What you mean is that they are not CONSERVATIVE. They are absolutely far-right, as they simply meet that definition. You should really look that up. In fact, research ALL of this.

Fascists, at least in Germany, did not disarm anyone but those who they wanted to exterminate. They in fact RELAXED gun restrictions for Germans, only imposing a ban for "undesirables".

You are stating a lot of these positions as if they are not horrific things to believe. Nationalism is bad. State sponsored religion is BAD. FASCISTS WERE NOT ANTICAPITALIST, THEY WERE USING ANTICAPITALIST TALKING POINTS TO GARNER SUPPORT AND THEN PROJECTING ANTICAPITALIST IDEAS ONTO RACIST ONES, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LMAO

NONE of these thinga youve listed are in any way indicative of what you mean. Youve just given examples of fascists using leftist views as weapons to push their totalitarian, RIGHT WING policies. Youve just done a fascist thing of denying objective reality, while using reality to try to prove your point. Anyone who even remotely knows about the subject can see right through it.

And Fascists do not need to be dehumanized for me and my ilk to advocate violence against them. They are monsters, whether they are people or not, because they want to destroy entire demographics of INNOCENT people. No one advocating genocide is innocent. No one calling for and threatening the murder of millions of innocents are innocent. Fuck fascists. Youre just doing apologetics for the indefensible. You are a sympathizer, through and through. You think your defense of genocidal maniacs is wise and sagely, but its not. Its foolish and really reveals a lot about you. Eat shit, cryptofascist.

phantomofthefurrycon said:
Actually the symbol of fascism is the fascis, an ancient weapon consisting of a bundle of sticks tied around a spear. The iron eagle is was used by the Nazis whose ideology was similar to fascism but not the same thing. Although the iron eagle wasn't their main symbol and was actually something carried over from imperial Germany similar to the iron cross.

It's an axe, not a spear, il fascio, or bundle was their main symbol, yes, but the eagle was the animal most associated with them.
I even said "symbolic animal" instead of "symbol" to make the split

do i need to add lol_comments to this post?

fox_crown said:
It's an axe, not a spear, il fascio, or bundle was their main symbol, yes, but the eagle was the animal most associated with them.
I even said "symbolic animal" instead of "symbol" to make the split

do i need to add lol_comments to this post?

no, you don't
thanks for pointing out the errors. I'll fix them

exodus454 said:
I suppose the irony is lost on most people here. People are so wrapped up in their ideology that if you were to take it away from them they would be nothing. Fascism, as described in a previous comment, is a system where people work to support the state; which is correct. What is wrong is calling it right wing. The right often calls, and has always called for smaller government which is diametrically apposed to Fascism. Really Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left. It is better to think of the left vs right argument as the left is more government control and the right is less government control. The left chants "bash the fash" implying that if you do not think the way they do they will use violence against you to make you think the way they do. Where as the right chants "might is right" implying that we shouldn't protect people who can't protect themselves; simply put "laws of nature".

So where does that leave us? The further left you go the more the government controls you, the further right you go the more nature controls you. Where you want to sit on the government control spectrum is up to you, but here is my opinion on how to live a life of freedom in a "modern society".

1) Understand the government is absolutely evil. No matter who is in power, no matter if it is your party, no matter if they say the things that you want to hear. Know that the government is only out for itself and you are just a resource to them.

2) Understand that the government is necessary. Bearing in mind that they are evil, governments creat some semblance of security. Some laws protect vulnerabilities that you cannot protect on your own. However governments should be as small as possible. Governments take more than they give.

3) Always be armed. There is no clearer declaration of freedom than being armed. It is a statement that you are subject to no one's destiny than your own. If you can buy a gun, get a gun. If all you can carry is a stick, then get a big one. Get training, be well regulated.

Anyway, this is too much for a port site.

Bruh. Read a book.

The right calls for small government while supporting the government banning gay marriage, certain forms of healthcare, etc etc etc etc. Hows that small government? Seems like its us leftists who advocate for small, govt, who shouldn't get involved in your personal life, just sayin.

Note I said LEFTIST. Not Liberal. Conservatoids are denser than lead, i swear.

relawaffles said:
YOU are wrong. It is a far right ideology. Its is authoritarian, traditionalist, etc etc etc. You are falling for fascist populist tricks, using the appearance of left-wing values to gain power, and trick centrists. What you mean is that they are not CONSERVATIVE. They are absolutely far-right, as they simply meet that definition. You should really look that up. In fact, research ALL of this.

Fascists, at least in Germany, did not disarm anyone but those who they wanted to exterminate. They in fact RELAXED gun restrictions for Germans, only imposing a ban for "undesirables".

You are stating a lot of these positions as if they are not horrific things to believe. Nationalism is bad. State sponsored religion is BAD. FASCISTS WERE NOT ANTICAPITALIST, THEY WERE USING ANTICAPITALIST TALKING POINTS TO GARNER SUPPORT AND THEN PROJECTING ANTICAPITALIST IDEAS ONTO RACIST ONES, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LMAO

NONE of these thinga youve listed are in any way indicative of what you mean. Youve just given examples of fascists using leftist views as weapons to push their totalitarian, RIGHT WING policies. Youve just done a fascist thing of denying objective reality, while using reality to try to prove your point. Anyone who even remotely knows about the subject can see right through it.

And Fascists do not need to be dehumanized for me and my ilk to advocate violence against them. They are monsters, whether they are people or not, because they want to destroy entire demographics of INNOCENT people. No one advocating genocide is innocent. No one calling for and threatening the murder of millions of innocents are innocent. Fuck fascists. Youre just doing apologetics for the indefensible. You are a sympathizer, through and through. You think your defense of genocidal maniacs is wise and sagely, but its not. Its foolish and really reveals a lot about you. Eat shit, cryptofascist.

Okay I can tell this is a pointless arguement, but the whole point of my post wasn't to defend facism. The point was to show folks how their ideaology could easily turn bad, and that before they go labelling others as facists, they should really do their reading, and find out how many of their political views were also held by facists.

Also on the capitalism thing, they hated it, but considered it a neccesary evil. That's why business could ostensibly be privately owned, but all the decisions, from what they could produce, and how they could produce it, to how much the workers and even the owner could be paid, were all made by the state. Yes, state-sponsored anything is a bad thing.

Seriously, read any of the nazi or facist books. Read Giovanni Gentile. You will be disturbed by how much of your own ideaology lines up with theirs.

EDIT: you are half right on the issue of gun control. Both germany and italy imposed tight restrictions on gun ownership, and germany established a gun registration program, before the nazis or facists took power. However, "nobody should have guns" was still a big talking point of hitler's. He did use the gun registry to disarm jews, gypsies, and basically everyone else. Even non-jewish germans weren't safe.

Mussolini it seems didn't have much to say about guns, they were already all but banned by the time he took power. Giovanni Gentile, however, wrote fairly extensively about how the general population could not be armed, if his ideaology was to succeed.

EDIT #2: I can't believe I forgot to respond to this, but that's kind of the problem. Not a single person you've dubbed a facist is actually a facist. Nobody is looking to murder innocent people. However, because you have conflated "American right-wing policy" with "literal facism" you have made it okay in your mind to conduct violence against American republicans. The same goesfor the right-wingers who say facism is left-wing. It's nothing but a dehumanization tactic.

You all are stupid and hilarious. Thanks for the read. Quick word of wisdom, if you never stop to ask yourself "Am I the baddy?" You will veru easily turn into the baddy because you lack introspection. Remove context from your actions, because context makes everything justifiable, and if your actions out of context turn you evil. Then maybe, just maybe, you are evil. Just as evil as those who would, "burn the witch", just as evil as those who would, "send them to the Gulags" and, "line them up against the wall." Use your brains before you use your fists. On a last note, its curious how its always the activists that have "trans children" or "vegan dogs/cats". Also if you dont want to be seen as pedophiles, maybe just maybe, stop talking about sex to kids

relawaffles said:
No. When speaking of American politics, "Centrists" ARE far right. Extremists? Maybe, maybe not, but Id consider anyone advocating against equality for others to have some extreme views. But considering American Liberals are right-leaning centrists, and in the US are considered the "Left", Centrists in America ARE at the very least right-wing, leaning even far right. Conservatives, typically Republicans, are Far Right and VERY often extremist cryptofascists, even if you or even they dont realize what it is they advocate for.

“Centrists” with quotation marks do exist. They’re far right individuals trying to coerce actual centrists into right-wing ideas.
They start with reasonable righty ideas to charm you then try the less rational extremist ideas.
A centrist with a brain would simply stop listening when they start with their extremist bullshit.

relawaffles said:
And, honey? Fascist =\= Nazi. But it is not unfair to make comparisons between the people who want to burn books about trans people existing, ban our healthcare, ban us from public spaces, etc etc etc to the german political party that... Actually did all those things, AND MORE. Its not unfair to call them fascists when they agree with all the things that define fascism as a political ideology, even if they continue to, as per usual, deny objective reality and claim that its the scary TRANSES that are the REAL fascists... For, like... Being a little upset you call them the wrong pronouns when they ask you not to, or wanting you to be held accountable for discrimination in housing, medicine or the workplace.

I know and that’s why i hate fascists, they’re against my idea of a liberal society; where you’re not judged by the conditions of your birth(nationality, ethnicity, sex, gender or sexual orientation) but by what you choose to do with the gift of life.

I don’t like when fascists use the snake and i don’t like when non-fascists acknowledge the snake as a fascist symbol, it’s not, don’t let it become one. You’re helping them infiltrate in the libertarian sphere.

relawaffles said:
Now, I dont call just anybody who disagrees with me a fascist.

Honesly thank you, you’re doing your part and i want to believe the “anyone i dislike is a nazi” crowd is just a vocal minority.

relawaffles said:
But more importantly, it gives ammunition to REAL fascists by spreading the idea that "The left just calls ANYBODY a fascist" so people like YOU just dismiss antifascist criticism of their positions as hogwash.

People like ME? No honey, i can tell apart actual fascism from false accusations of fascism. That’s what my whole rant is about, the post failed to do that and depicted the symbol of libertarianism as fascist.

relawaffles said:
Idiots like you arent in our position to SEE that. You dont get murdered for being cis. You dont HAVE to be educated on this shit. You have the privilege of rolling your eyes as if us advocating against Jim Crow level legislation against us in many places worldwide, especially in the American South, and putting our feet firmly down on the ground when whiny idiots like you pop up to say "Um actually, nazis were only in 1900s Germany, heheheheheheh" is ridiculous, when its youe gullible eyerolling thats really ridiculous here.

Again, i agree, the whole “trans people are literally satan and their mere existence is a menace to society” IS classic fascist fearmongering and i’m against it.

Calling me a whiny guillible idiot and telling me to grow up was unnecessary but the rest of the comment doesn’t seem ill-intentioned. Hope I changed your mind about me.

infinifurry said:
"Fascism is when people want to prevent the removal of perfectly healthy genitals and breasts"
-dynamitegrizzly

lol. lmao even.

What the fuck is it to you if someone wants them gone? Do you think they belong to you or something?

relawaffles said:
Ah yes, freedom and a small government, regulating what people can and cant do with their own fucking bodies, banning books and education, and criminalizing the existence of transgender people, whilst eroding the separatiom between church and state. Eat shit, Cryptofascist.

They’re mocking the author for using the snake as a fascist symbol. They’re not saying “fascism is actually libertarianism 🤓”, not even an actual fascist would say such bullshit.

I know sarcasm is hard to read on text but c’mon

dynamitegrizzly said:
What the fuck is it to you if someone wants them gone? Do you think they belong to you or something?

I don’t agree with your first comment but this guy seems to be trolling. Just bending your words to annoy you. Ignore em.

The most obvious statement ever, that fascists are for demonizing vulnerable groups in order to gain power, has gotten this many comments? lol
BREAKING: The sun is bright. News at 9.

And yes, many fascists use the snake symbol or pretend to be libertarians or at least side with libertarianism. It's easy to understand why given that many who call themselves libertarians want authoritarian tyranny such as that from corporations or the rich, and all of that meshes perfectly with fascism and is compatible. By being "anti-government", they want themselves to be the government of their own little private country, meaning they want to be authoritarian dictators which is what fascists also want.

pandakun said:
The most obvious statement ever, that fascists are for demonizing vulnerable groups in order to gain power, has gotten this many comments? lol
BREAKING: The sun is bright. News at 9.

And yes, many fascists use the snake symbol or pretend to be libertarians or at least side with libertarianism. It's easy to understand why given that many who call themselves libertarians want authoritarian tyranny such as that from corporations or the rich, and all of that meshes perfectly with fascism and is compatible. By being "anti-government", they want themselves to be the government of their own little private country, meaning they want to be authoritarian dictators which is what fascists also want.

Because BREAKING NEWS: Actual libertarians don’t like their symbol being used by fascists.
And using the symbol to represent fascism is exactly what fascists want. To ruin another otherwise positive symbol like they did with the swastika.

Of fucking course some fascists will use the Gadsden snake to hide their extremist bullshit ideas behind a facade of righteousness.

Religious leaders disguised their bullshit as “the will of god”.
Goverments fucked over their own citizens to “fight terrorism”.
Corporations replaced paper with plastic “to save the enviroment”.
Shitty individuals use “feminism” as an excuse to be sexist themselves.
And yes, some fucks will use the transgender flag to push their own bullshit ideas.

The solution is not being a paranoid but recognizing when someone is trying to pull this trick and immediatly calling them out on it. Pull them out of their cover, do not let them hide behind a righteous cause.

relawaffles said:
Bruh. Read a book.

The right calls for small government while supporting the government banning gay marriage, certain forms of healthcare, etc etc etc etc. Hows that small government? Seems like its us leftists who advocate for small, govt, who shouldn't get involved in your personal life, just sayin.

Note I said LEFTIST. Not Liberal. Conservatoids are denser than lead, i swear.

Republicans have consistently promised that they would shrink the government but never have. Remember, the government is evil. Just because Republicans are right of democrats doesn't mean they are any less evil than democrats are. Once you realize that Trump is just as evil as Biden, that Ted Cruse and AOC are the same side of the coin, it is a lot easier to filter out the noise. They are all playing you.

Look at how emotional you are. That is how they get you. They rile you up and hope you act on emotions not logic. Don't give up on your emotions, just let your emotions lead to thought, not actions.

The government is evil. Don't trust a single thing they say.

Way too many new accounts in this comment thread lol, I'm convinced this is just a flood of chodes just wanting to be weird on a furry porn site.

intergalacticboner said:
Way too many new accounts in this comment thread lol, I'm convinced this is just a flood of chodes just wanting to be weird on a furry porn site.

Can you point fingers? Or tell us what you consider suspicious behavior? I could only find one suspicious* account in this thread and you’re not just saying but convinced there’s “too many”.

My criteria for “suspicious” can be oversimplified to a checklist:
Less than a year old.
0 uploads.
0 favorites.
0 forum posts.
0 tag edits.
Nearly all their comments are blatant trolling.
Malicious tag edits.

Most users check some of these out, but someone who has an account and barely uses *any* of the features that come with an account is a bit suspicious to me. Especially if they only ever comment to annoy people.

Even if they check all the boxes(except the very last ones) it doesn’t mean anything. There are reasons why a lurker might want an account.

Man I ain't reading all these comments

I don’t even feel like getting into why the person who drew this is a retard, but god damn what a retard.

“Why is everyone against us!?!? It must be because we are part of the *throws scrabble tiles and points to the results* group!”

Yeah that must be it….