Near photorealistic, God I wish it was, I also hope that soon it will be

ubaresc said:
Near photorealistic, God I wish it was, I also hope that soon it will be

It would be great, but unless someone steps in and kicks the scientific community in the ass to get rid of any laws preventing crossing human/animal DNA, it's not likely in our futures.

It's not so much the complication of the matter that the issue lies, my point is simply the fact that due to morality the science to even attempt the feat alone will never be attempted. so While your statement isn't wrong, there is still no way to know for sure if we would be able to achieve something so groundbreaking that it could literally change the world as we know it unless it were actually attempted and allowed to push forward.

Lunaris_Draconis said:
It's not so much the complication of the matter that the issue lies, my point is simply the fact that due to morality the science to even attempt the feat alone will never be attempted. so While your statement isn't wrong, there is still no way to know for sure if we would be able to achieve something so groundbreaking that it could literally change the world as we know it unless it were actually attempted and allowed to push forward.

I hope that human breedable furries are at the top of Elon Musk's to do list when he gets to Mars

This is nice

Lunaris_Draconis said:
It would be great, but unless someone steps in and kicks the scientific community in the ass to get rid of any laws preventing crossing human/animal DNA, it's not likely in our futures.

Many countries do not ban "crossing human/animal DNA". Several ban chimeric embryos which have nothing to do with the creation of anthros. But legislation to ban even that has not passed in the U.S.

There is one country that seems to ban anthros, and it's the UK of course.

The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008 prohibits (inter alia) keeping a human admixed embryo for longer than 14 days or beyond the appearance of the primitive streak, as well as placing a ‘human admixed embryo’ in an animal to develop. ‘Human admixed embryos’ include human embryos altered by the introduction of one or more animal cells, as well as embryos containing both human and animal DNA in which the animal DNA is not predominant.

You should think of an anthro as containing predominantly human DNA responsible for the overall humanoid build and intelligence. There may be very few alterations overall. We already have tailbones ready for reactivation.

The scientific community self-polices, and regulators would definitely squash research into creating anthros, which may be defined as genetically engineered humans. We can conclude that it's up to amateur scientists working off the grid if we want to see them anthros.

sonja said:

oh boy here I go writing again

so I'm not like a science person I think a larger obstacle would be how on earth to achieve funny animal people in general; 'crossing' x and x species dna is a misleading oversimplification of how genes do and how they function

To swipe a quote from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (video games are a good science teaching tool /sarcasm):

when it comes to stuff like body parts and their locations to one another and how they form during fetal development, there's a whole complicated sequence of genes and what they do and how and why and all the seemingly redundant systems called homeobox and boy i won't even pretend I understand how all that nitty gritty gets down

I'm sure there's like a whole lot of other things but that's sorta all I could think of and I'm like super not informed on this topic

tldr; man what's my deal that i gotta make a dumb wall of text

It's going to require incredibly advanced software and likely better hardware. Machine learning may be involved.

We need software that can simulate the development of a life form from any genome that is used as input, using an a priori approach. In other words, you put in a human genome, and it simulates growth from the embryo all the way until birth and even after, and the result matches the reality closely. It should be able to do this without having the human form preprogrammed into it.

The software should also be able to predict and highlight the negative effects of unwanted mutations and how they can cause inviability and health issues, and should be tested using all of the known human and animal genetic disorders.

With this software done, you can insert animal DNA or any custom base pairs into a human genome sequence and predict the outcome. Once you get the full sequence right, you can create synthetic DNA, insert it into an embryo, and grow in an artificial womb.

All of this is close to impossible today but might be possible within 20 years.

Lunaris_Draconis said:
It's not so much the complication of the matter that the issue lies, my point is simply the fact that due to morality the science to even attempt the feat alone will never be attempted. so While your statement isn't wrong, there is still no way to know for sure if we would be able to achieve something so groundbreaking that it could literally change the world as we know it unless it were actually attempted and allowed to push forward.

The amount of biology you can do at home might astonish you, and the tools are getting better and cheaper. The ethical gatekeepers will not be able to suppress illegal and immoral activities if they become cheap and easy. Just how cheap and easy remains to be seen.

Artificial womb technology will rustle a lot of jimmies long before someone uses one to create an anthro. If it becomes obtainable for under $100,000 or amateurs are able to build one using open source designs, then an important piece of the anthro puzzle will be in place.

Once someone crafts a perfected anthro genome, it can be easily shared using the internet or sneakernet. Since it will be mostly human DNA, existing genetic compression algorithms can compress it to as low as 4 megabytes. That's right, it could fit on a few floppy disks.

OMG your art is amazing. I absolutely love this

...and that my son is why you're part fox!

lance_armstrong said:
Many countries do not ban "crossing human/animal DNA". Several ban chimeric embryos which have nothing to do with the creation of anthros. But legislation to ban even that has not passed in the U.S.

There is one country that seems to ban anthros, and it's the UK of course.

You should think of an anthro as containing predominantly human DNA responsible for the overall humanoid build and intelligence. There may be very few alterations overall. We already have tailbones ready for reactivation.

The scientific community self-polices, and regulators would definitely squash research into creating anthros, which may be defined as genetically engineered humans. We can conclude that it's up to amateur scientists working off the grid if we want to see them anthros.

It's going to require incredibly advanced software and likely better hardware. Machine learning may be involved.

We need software that can simulate the development of a life form from any genome that is used as input, using an a priori approach. In other words, you put in a human genome, and it simulates growth from the embryo all the way until birth and even after, and the result matches the reality closely. It should be able to do this without having the human form preprogrammed into it.

The software should also be able to predict and highlight the negative effects of unwanted mutations and how they can cause inviability and health issues, and should be tested using all of the known human and animal genetic disorders.

With this software done, you can insert animal DNA or any custom base pairs into a human genome sequence and predict the outcome. Once you get the full sequence right, you can create synthetic DNA, insert it into an embryo, and grow in an artificial womb.

All of this is close to impossible today but might be possible within 20 years.

The amount of biology you can do at home might astonish you, and the tools are getting better and cheaper. The ethical gatekeepers will not be able to suppress illegal and immoral activities if they become cheap and easy. Just how cheap and easy remains to be seen.

Artificial womb technology will rustle a lot of jimmies long before someone uses one to create an anthro. If it becomes obtainable for under $100,000 or amateurs are able to build one using open source designs, then an important piece of the anthro puzzle will be in place.

Once someone crafts a perfected anthro genome, it can be easily shared using the internet or sneakernet. Since it will be mostly human DNA, existing genetic compression algorithms can compress it to as low as 4 megabytes. That's right, it could fit on a few floppy disks.

So the US just basically ignored both bills or has yet to decide?

darkeevee said:
So the US just basically ignored both bills or has yet to decide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)#Legislation

The 2016 bill broadly covered a lot of the stuff we're interested in, and has returned in 2021 WITH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT APPEAR TO BAN ANTHROS. Specifically, a "nonhuman life form engineered such that it exhibits human facial features or other bodily morphologies to resemble human features"

Earlier this year, there was an attempt to slip in the chimera ban as an amendment to the Endless Frontier Act, which was basically a $100 billion sci-tech stimulus. It was narrowly defeated, 49-48.

It's back as S. 1800: Human-Animal Chimera Prohibition Act of 2021

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s1800/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s1800/text

It's expected to be defeated, but you could expect a Republican-controlled Congress to pass it.

There is a ban on creating genetically modified human babies that is also likely to apply to anthro research.

lance_armstrong said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)#Legislation

The 2016 bill broadly covered a lot of the stuff we're interested in, and has returned in 2021 WITH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT APPEAR TO BAN ANTHROS. Specifically, a "nonhuman life form engineered such that it exhibits human facial features or other bodily morphologies to resemble human features"

Earlier this year, there was an attempt to slip in the chimera ban as an amendment to the Endless Frontier Act, which was basically a $100 billion sci-tech stimulus. It was narrowly defeated, 49-48.

It's back as S. 1800: Human-Animal Chimera Prohibition Act of 2021

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s1800/summary
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s1800/text

It's expected to be defeated, but you could expect a Republican-controlled Congress to pass it.

There is a ban on creating genetically modified human babies that is also likely to apply to anthro research.

All this stuff is greatly interesting and you seem to know quite a bit of biology and genetical engineering but I think you're way too hopeful about this whole thing. Honestly I'd give it some 50 years or so til normal genetic engineering is something to be on the rise on certain parts of the world (babies immune or resistant against HIV, enhanced intelligence, set eye colors, etc) I don't really think creating chimeras or even 'worse' anthros would be a subject to be taken seriously by any scientific, much less being legal, any soon. And I don't think it would be as accesible either.
Also, about the morality of it all, I would link an interesting youtube video that talks about something similar to this but I'm rather new here and don't really know if that's allowed.

lunaris_loona said:
It would be great, but unless someone steps in and kicks the scientific community in the ass to get rid of any laws preventing crossing human/animal DNA, it's not likely in our futures.

Look even if we unbanned it, it’s scientifically and naturally impossible in any way, first it’s illegal because it’s going against the natural laws of life, second it’s going to have SO many implications and MANY of the outcomes are going to be fucked up, third we CANNOT just create life out of nowhere ESPECIALLY with two different species in this case human x wolves, cats, dolphins, lizards etc because we are incompatible with most species our semen won’t be able to fertilise any other species egg except ours and vice versa. Before you say “but what about ligers and white tigers and etc” that’s because certain species are so closely related they can have offspring with one another

alyssa1411 said:
first it’s illegal because it’s going against the natural laws of life

Appeal to nature is fallacious and many things we're doing "go against the natural laws of life" to begin with.