Topic: Difficulty of 'crossgender' tag

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

How should this be handled?

As per https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=e621%3Atag_what_you_see_%28explained%29 , "TWYS says that all tags on a post must be directly verifiable within the post itself. Example: a solo picture of what APPEARS to be a male character will be tagged "male". Even if the character was defined as "female" on other sites by the artist or character owner themselves, the picture would still need to be tagged "male" on e621, because of the TWYS policy."

This being said, crossgender seems to be for most intents and purposes as an irrelevant tag on perhaps several levels.

As in the example, outside info such as the owner stating 'My OC is usually male' is irrelevant. So for any potential 'crossgender' picture, this is irrelevant too. You would just tag it as you see depicted in the specific picture regardless. Thus crossgender is not an appropriate tag.

For characters from other franchises, such as say... Bowser from Mario bros, or Fox from Star Fox, is this somehow different from the above example? Is this different than the OC-owner stating an established gender when the owner is a company? One could argue 'This is how the character is typically depicted in all the games', but that's not really different than with the OC-owner example above either and is also arguably not TWYS.

So it would seem then that the only proper use of crossgender is when one instance of the character is depicted within the same image as differently gendered than another same-image instance of the same character. Which is kind of oddly niche.

Obviously something useful IS conveyed in the 'crossgender' tag, but it also seems to tie into the unfortunate consequences part of TWYS and by the rule should be left out.

So what's the call on this? Sorry for the long winded post, and thanks for your time.

Updated by TheHuskyK9

I'm pretty sure it only falls under well known characters like Samus , mario, or blaze the cat who do not have canon opposite gender counterparts like Finn and Fiona frome adventure time.

Updated by anonymous

I think the only use should be to gender swapped characters as using it to describe transgender (from one gender to the other) is not easily tagged by our standards which was why we got rid of it

Updated by anonymous

TWYS and crossgender don't really go together.
To properly tag crossgender you have to use outside knowledge.

This being said, it has a relevant use, and is sufficiently useful that I think we can call it an exception to the TWYS rule, which is basically how it's been treated so far.

Updated by anonymous

It makes finding rule 63 so much easier, i dont see why not use it.

Updated by anonymous

Hiatuss said:
It makes finding rule 63 so much easier, i dont see why not use it.

I think it was handled the same way rule 34 was handled

Updated by anonymous

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