Why those tags are made strictly linked?

Bondage is related in tying up or actively using certain gear, either for pinup, visual art of for sexual activity. BDSM is relating to certain life style or role-play, involving relation of master and slave\pet or total submission of bottom to top, often associated with semiconsensual, consensual non-consent, or or actively forceful intercourse or other activity, for example sadistic\masochistic session. Bondage may be part of it, but may be NOT.

In addition shibari is visual art which can be used for bondage session or for BDSM, but is own of its kind.

Linking those tags together sometimes produces inaccurate or even wrong results.

I don't really know much about BDSM and the sort, but I'm pretty sure that this isn't BDSM, and tag implications say it is:

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Worth discussing, I'd say.

Considering that bondage is literally in the BDSM name itself (Bondage & Discipline, Domination & Submission, and Sadism & Masochism), I guess that's why an implication was made.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Considering that bondage is literally in the BDSM name itself (Bondage & Discipline, Domination & Submission, and Sadism & Masochism), I guess that's why an implication was made.

well, yes, because it may include it. But bondage is tiiiiny part of BDSM, also BDSM session or even lifestyle may avoid bondage at all, not to mention other restraints that aren't technically bondage - animal play\transformation (when sub got dressed in certain outfit that is debilitating, cannot be removed, for example animal outfit), encasement, latex stuff.

I can offer examples of bondage wicpic which aren't bdsm:

https://e621.net/post/show/449627/anthro-bdsm-bondage-bound-female-petrification-rim (heh, statue of bound anthropomorph.. suspiciously natural.. but there is no BDSM paraphernalia..)

https://e621.net/post/show/384815/bdsm-bondage-bound-breasts-female-harness-nude-rim (model pinup, basically it's shibari\kinbaku pic.. no one said that she is engaged in any kind of activities.. she is just modeling in light rope bondage)

Bondage is always part of BDSM. You don't need to have every aspect of BDSM involved for it to be tagged. All the things you mention are other aspects of BDSM that also qualify for the BDSM tag; That doesn't mean that they are all the same function of it.

Do note, if a character is just bound, then that is the tag to use.

Further, next time, please use the search function as this has been brought up before and discussed and explained in detail before.

123easy said:
Do note, if a character is just bound, then that is the tag to use.
Further, next time, please use the search function as this has been brought up before and discussed and explained in detail before.

Sorry for I didn't used search, as I was believing in common sense of people, so though if that was discussed, it wouldn't resolved into most universal solution - allowing to remove bdsm from bondage submissions (it might be good still leave it as auto-added one). I just got asked by people why I tag those pictures as "bdsm".

picture I posted is clearly bondage - not just nonchalantly bound subject - but it's nothing related to BDSM, and they aren't "just bound".

Swiftkill said:
well, yes, because it may include it. But bondage is tiiiiny part of BDSM, also BDSM session or even lifestyle may avoid bondage at all, not to mention other restraints that aren't technically bondage - animal play\transformation (when sub got dressed in certain outfit that is debilitating, cannot be removed, for example animal outfit), encasement, latex stuff.

I can offer examples of bondage wicpic which aren't bdsm:

https://e621.net/post/show/449627/anthro-bdsm-bondage-bound-female-petrification-rim (heh, statue of bound anthropomorph.. suspiciously natural.. but there is no BDSM paraphernalia..)

https://e621.net/post/show/384815/bdsm-bondage-bound-breasts-female-harness-nude-rim (model pinup, basically it's shibari\kinbaku pic.. no one said that she is engaged in any kind of activities.. she is just modeling in light rope bondage)

Both of those images are BDSM.

Halite said:
Both of those images are BDSM.

BDSM is sub\dom disciplined relations.. none of it here..

tie in second image is absolutely decorative.. it can be removed by model even, it cannot be used for restraints. It's shibari or light bondage, where rope tension create additional sensation, but not really any pain or restriction. By the way, it draw based on pose of real model, and she wasn't even in bdsm (likes light bondage though).

tie in first image is restrictive, and if that was living model, she still could get rid of it - I know how that one is tied. It doesn't cause any pain either, or claim ownership of sub or disciplining that sub.

Swiftkill said:
BDSM is sub\dom disciplined relations.. none of it here..
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No, it isn't.
Not always, just like BDSM isn't always bondage.
For a "part of the BDSM community" you really don't understand what BDSM means.

Halite said:
No, it isn't.
Not always, just like BDSM isn't always bondage.
For a "part of the BDSM community" you really don't understand what BDSM means.

Then we belong to different umbrellas, but I never saw it applied seriously without relations and trust and submission is originated from those two. Bondage or shibari may not include full submission at all, heh, though includes , certain trust - as the top might accidently harm sub, if they don't know how to do it..

Swiftkill said:
Then we belong to different umbrellas, but I never saw it applied seriously without relations and trust and submission is originated from those two. Bondage or shibari may not include full submission at all, heh, though includes , certain trust - as the top might accidently harm sub, if they don't know how to do it..

Oh, there's definitely a huge range of different umbrellas that seperate the various parts of BDSM, it's a wide range of different activities, and people frequently have very specific interests that are just a certain subset of that.
It's all still BDSM though.

Bondage is dealing strictly with ropes and restraints.

BDSM includes role playing, painplay, bloodplay, electrocution, asphyxiation, and more extreme sexual practices.

Bondage is part of BDSM. BDSM is not part of bondage.

I don't see a problem with the alias then

Rainbow_Dash said:
I don't see a problem with the alias then

There is as many of people who would agree as those who would not. Some of concerns and topics were discussed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABondage_(BDSM)
as Wikipedia community also struggled with delimitation, as afar as this time, they separate them.
I also can see.. and know people who try do that, that someone would look for bondage, excluding bdsm tag. Or would say "I'm into bondage, I'm not into BDSM relations". They might like idea or sensation of restraints, but being taken aback, or even traumatized by idea of claiming ownership, or total submission, or discipline, pain or punishment, which are other parts of bdsm.

Swiftkill said:
There is as many of people who would agree as those who would not. Some of concerns and topics were discussed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABondage_(BDSM)
as Wikipedia community also struggled with delimitation, as afar as this time, they separate them.
I also can see.. and know people who try do that, that someone would look for bondage, excluding bdsm tag. Or would say "I'm into bondage, I'm not into BDSM relations". They might like idea or sensation of restraints, but being taken aback, or even traumatized by idea of claiming ownership, or total submission, or discipline, pain or punishment, which are other parts of bdsm.

They can search ropes then.

The bondage tag is completely and utterly unnecessary.

We don't need two threads on exactly the same topic, especially if the older one is active and on the front page.