So its been on mind recent after I been on this site for a bit, and this isn't a jab but question as least for me to understand others POV on human with Furry. To keep it short I like it. The idea of a dual society with furries in my mind sounds pretty awesome. Putting the sex and lewdness on the back seat for a moment I can see it being a thing.
Thing is I notice that some get miffed with their character they like is with someone's 'human oc' or character. Example I have to probably look for the images on the site but for example people who make Judy Hopps with a human or with their OC. why isn't people get mad? whats there to get mad about? Not just her but other famous Furry females or males.
This is not a expose or cause drama but to see deeper as my this curiosity been on my mind. I can respect preferences but seen comments and just pure downvotes of human x Furry posts or Human with said well famous Furry female.
I am open for discussion on this.
Topic: Human on furry
Posted under General
almega said:
So its been on mind recent after I been on this site for a bit, and this isn't a jab but question as least for me to understand others POV on human with Furry. To keep it short I like it. The idea of a dual society with furries in my mind sounds pretty awesome. Putting the sex and lewdness on the back seat for a moment I can see it being a thing.
Thing is I notice that some get miffed with their character they like is with someone's 'human oc' or character. Example I have to probably look for the images on the site but for example people who make Judy Hopps with a human or with their OC. why isn't people get mad? whats there to get mad about? Not just her but other famous Furry females or males.
This is not a expose or cause drama but to see deeper as my this curiosity been on my mind. I can respect preferences but seen comments and just pure downvotes of human x Furry posts or Human with said well famous Furry female.
I am open for discussion on this.
Short answer: It's cringe and/or it subverts people's expectations whether it be towards furry art in general or the characters involved.
- One of the most notorious examples is post #4531746, but that one is also downvoted for other reasons as well (i.e., the supposed $50k price tag).
Long answer: There are several levels of TV tropes that come into play, which can influence peoples' expectations towards the artwork and often in a bad way.
List of TV Tropes & Examples
- The main one involved is the Self-Insert Fiction, where you insert your own character into a canon that otherwise does not involve you.
- It is not inherently a bad thing. If done well, it would seamlessly blend into the existing story without any issues. However, because it involves an already established canon, any inclusions or alterations you make to the story may subvert people's expectations.
- For example, I could write my own custom OC into a fanfic about the Justice_League or The_Avengers. It may seem odd at first, but a good story would incorporate existing canon and work alongside it, making people think that it could be a plausible spinoff.
- In contrast, a bad story could involve me significantly changing the story or character behaviour in an illogical way, such as my OC defeating Darkseid or Thanos without breaking a sweat or magically taking over the role of Batman or Captain_America after the original character gets killed off for some reason with none of the main cast objecting.
- The second one involved is the perceived Canon Defilement or Character Derailment/Out of Character moments.
- People have certain expectations to an established canon or a character's personality & behaviour. Deviating from that would make people feel uncomfortable since it is different from what they know.
- For example, my OC could be a literal god and I also changed the behaviours of the characters in the canon towards a direction that is unexpected, such as me taking over as leader of the Justice League/Avengers and turning the ex-leaders into my minions/slaves.
- The third one is with Relationship Sue, which is the introduction of a new non-canon character (such as your own OC) that becomes the love interest of a canon character in the story (such as one of the protagonists).
- This also builds upon the previous TV trope mentioned where people would have certain expectations towards a canonical romantic pairing. The introduction of a new character may subvert what they believe to be the most ideal/canon pairing in the story already. This becomes particularly uncomfortable for viewers if one of the characters in the pair suddenly falls in love or become infatuated by the new character, for seemingly no reason at all.
- For example, my OC can take over as the primary love interest of the one of the main characters at the expense of the original love interest, such as me taking over as the boyfriend of Mary_Jane_Watson/Lois_Lane while Spiderman/Superman sits in the cuck_chair.
- The forth one is with the childhood-ruining potential of Rule 34 or bad instances of Self-Fanservice.
- This one mainly centres around how people enshrine certain childhood memories of cartoon characters, commonly due to the character's inviolable innocence. The violation of which would often result in people requesting for eye bleach. This is less of a case for franchises that are already popular with the furry community.
- The other one about bad self-fanservice is when fans feel the need to create sexualised/fetishised depictions of their favourite characters to indulge their own kinks, because the original works do not have them. This could also include the previous TV tropes mentioned, such as including their own OCs into the scenes and having the main characters behave in ways that is unlike them in the canon.
- For example, some people may find it distasteful to see Spongebob_Squarepants getting massively inflated by a random human OC's piss.
- The fifth and last one is with the World of Funny Animals/World of Mammals, which focuses on the theme of a world with purely animal characters.
- This is in contrast to Lions and Tigers and Humans... Oh, My!, which involves a world with a mix of animal and human characters, such as that of Bojack_Horseman.
- Building on with the "Canon Defilement" trope, including human characters into a world otherwise completely void of humans would break people's expectations and break immersion. This is less of a case for a world that already has a mix of humans and animals, but it also has to be believable or canonically plausible.
- For example, including a human OC into the world of Disney's Cars would look completely out-of-place, especially considering that humans don't seem to canonically exist in the first place.
Taking everything altogether, you can see why people would be upset with seeing human x furry artworks or custom OC x <insert famous character> pairings.
I'm sure that there are also other factors in play as well, such as people's own kinks, preference for furry characters over humans on e621, or other TV tropes that I don't know of.
I don't think it's a human x furry thing as much as it is a self-insert x canon thing. there's often a (perceived) lack of self-awareness with the the works that just make them hard for many to look at.
I mean, the example of Judy Hopps you've plenty of examples of canon/oc stuff that people don't like that aren't human.
So
dba_afish said:
I don't think it's a human x furry thing as much as it is a self-insert x canon thing. there's often a (perceived) lack of self-awareness with the the works that just make them hard for many to look at.I mean, the example of Judy Hopps you've plenty of examples of canon/oc stuff that people don't like that aren't human.
well for me I do like Judy Hopps but if for example I draw or ask for commission of my OC or human banging or something it gets people mad or at least put off due to people saying that Judy and Nick are thing?
Not trying to overthink it just seeming to see where some might be coming off.
I mean we have our what if in our minds we let out I guess through some medium
almega said:
well for me I do like Judy Hopps but if for example I draw or ask for commission of my OC or human banging or something it gets people mad or at least put off due to people saying that Judy and Nick are thing?
Not trying to overthink it just seeming to see where some might be coming off.I mean we have our what if in our minds we let out I guess through some medium
I'm not sure if it's even a "This isn't my ship, so I dislike it." kinda thing, either. because, even though fans on average lean towards primarily liking Nick x Judy (in this case), you don't really tend to see the same kinds of reactions if you have Judy with any other canon character.
Self inserts and OCs and such always get on people's nerves for no real reason outside of being "it's cringe and cringe is bad".
IDK, every character starts out as an OC and lotsa people's OCs and fursonas on here are praised and loved so I'm not sure what the disconnect is.
I can maybe understand the HumanXFurry thing being a contender against it but if you're on e6 that's got a blacklist you can always blacklist it and move on with your day. No reason to get nasty.
All in all it just feels like people are overreacting to something that isn't really that big of a deal. If you love Judy and you feel comfortable shipping her with your self insert/human OC, go nuts. Art is supposed to be fun and make you feel good. Don't let what other people dictate your happiness like that by being negative.
Also, it's the Uncanny Valley effect for furs. :P
almega said:
The idea of a dual society with furries in my mind sounds pretty awesome. Putting the sex and lewdness on the back seat for a moment I can see it being a thing.
It sounds awesome, but realistically speaking it would probably just lead to rampant speciesism, conflict and horrible atrocities.
When it comes to furry stuff, I prefer idealistic settings where humans and non-humans coexist peacefully (and have fun sexytimes together). There's enough animosity IRL already, I don't need that in my escapist fantasies as well.
kadachi-kun said:
It sounds awesome, but realistically speaking it would probably just lead to rampant speciesism, conflict and horrible atrocities.When it comes to furry stuff, I prefer idealistic settings where humans and non-humans coexist peacefully (and have fun sexytimes together). There's enough animosity IRL already, I don't need that in my escapist fantasies as well.
Yeah, fantasy racism isn't exactly fantastic in this case.
alphamule said:
Yeah, fantasy racism isn't exactly fantastic in this case.
Well I would
kadachi-kun said:
It sounds awesome, but realistically speaking it would probably just lead to rampant speciesism, conflict and horrible atrocities.When it comes to furry stuff, I prefer idealistic settings where humans and non-humans coexist peacefully (and have fun sexytimes together). There's enough animosity IRL already, I don't need that in my escapist fantasies as well.
I agree. To see a humans with non-humans be nice but as any society there will some negative harboring feelings no matter what but ideally a common ground be easier to find