Topic: Transformation[BUR]

The bulk update request #12784 is pending approval.

Reason: styles and types

consensual_transformation should be aliased to transformation, just like consensual_sex is aliased to sex. We assume consent by default, and have forced_transformation for non-consensual transformations.

watsit said:
consensual_transformation should be aliased to transformation, just like consensual_sex is aliased to sex. We assume consent by default, and have forced_transformation for non-consensual transformations.

ah pardon me ya thats true, BUR corrected.

linear_transformation seems potentially ambiguous, on top of not having a very clear name. A transformation that goes from one thing to another (e.g. a human to a wolf) is a linear transformation, the name doesn't indicate to me that it's talking about a transformation that starts at one point on the body and moves outward. But this is also a problem with still images that don't show a progression, like
post #3455548 post #4389720
who's to say these are or aren't linear transformations? We don't see its progression to tell if it's starting at some point and spreading out. Given tags like asymmetrical_transformation and disproportionate_transformation, this doesn't seem like it adds much utility.

painful_transformation doesn't seem useful either, given pained_expression+transformation. Similar for public_transformation with public+transformation.

timed_transformation sounds like it can be better served by having a tag for timed progression in general, which can be searched with transformation. I don't know if there is such a tag, but it may be a good idea to make one if not.

stacked_transformation also feels kind of sketchy. Aside from the name not being clear what it's referring to, it also seems more subjective in nature.
post #3018168 post #2985038
makes no sense to have the tag. And I see it often used for feral_to_human and human_to_feral, because there's an anthro-looking mid stage (which shouldn't be surprising since anthros are a mix of human and feral animal forms; it'd be pretty random if its up to the tagger to decide if it's human-to-feral or a "stacked" human-to-anthro-to-feral, etc). As far as I can see, out of the 74 posts with the tag, I only see these two:
post #1485952 post #5635246
that would really classify for something like this.

watsit said:
linear_transformation seems potentially ambiguous, on top of not having a very clear name. A transformation that goes from one thing to another (e.g. a human to a wolf) is a linear transformation, the name doesn't indicate to me that it's talking about a transformation that starts at one point on the body and moves outward. But this is also a problem with still images that don't show a progression, like
post #3455548 post #4389720
who's to say these are or aren't linear transformations? We don't see its progression to tell if it's starting at some point and spreading out. Given tags like asymmetrical_transformation and disproportionate_transformation, this doesn't seem like it adds much utility.

I disagree that people might confuse this but if you have a suggestion for a name do say so. as far as the examples go remember that we tag on what is visibly aparant, if only one eye is visible like close ups then they are unlikly to ever be tagged, ambiguous cases also wouldn't(breasts and a bulge under clothing doesnt make a character a herm on e621).

painful_transformation doesn't seem useful either, given pained_expression+transformation. Similar for public_transformation with public+transformation.

How would your differentiate between characters in the image that are in pain but arnt the ones transforming in the image. Also did you not alude to forced_transformation when mentioning consent being treated as a default? We do have a 'forced' tag, yet forced_transformation also exists. We also have other such tags as muscular_male and clothed_female for example. We also have a pending de-alias of 'number'_'gender' tags that seems to enjoy a meaningful majority support topic #43865

timed_transformation sounds like it can be better served by having a tag for timed progression in general, which can be searched with transformation. I don't know if there is such a tag, but it may be a good idea to make one if not.

Like painful transformation, there is no reason both cannot also be there here.

stacked_transformation also feels kind of sketchy. Aside from the name not being clear what it's referring to, it also seems more subjective in nature.
post #3018168 post #2985038
makes no sense to have the tag. And I see it often used for feral_to_human and human_to_feral, because there's an anthro-looking mid stage (which shouldn't be surprising since anthros are a mix of human and feral animal forms; it'd be pretty random if its up to the tagger to decide if it's human-to-feral or a "stacked" human-to-anthro-to-feral, etc). As far as I can see, out of the 74 posts with the tag, I only see these two:
post #1485952 post #5635246
that would really classify for something like this.

I did remove stacked transformation from the BUR. I did see what you mean in regard to the "fake anthros" that is certainly a problem but also do think there is value in having a tag for transformations that are visibly successive forms(ex: human->anthro->feral; human->plushy->inflatible; tohru->michiru->felicia ; male->herm->neuter; and so on so forth).

ryu_deacon said:
I disagree that people might confuse this but if you have a suggestion for a name do say so.

As I said, "this is also a problem with still images that don't show a progression, [...] We don't see its progression to tell if it's starting at some point and spreading out. Given tags like asymmetrical_transformation and disproportionate_transformation, this doesn't seem like it adds much utility." asymmetrical_transformation and disproportionate_transformation seem to me to cover what people think of for "linear transformation", with less room for misinterpretation and less tag name ambiguity.

ryu_deacon said:
How would your differentiate between characters in the image that are in pain but arnt the ones transforming in the image.

Same as all the other combo tags that have been aliased away. You don't, because the number of false positives is low enough to not worry about. Especially if the combo tag is likely to be undertagged such that searching the two tags gives better results anyway.

ryu_deacon said:
Also did you not alude to forced_transformation when mentioning consent being treated as a default? We do have a 'forced' tag, yet forced_transformation also exists.

That is a valid question. Like how we don't have questionable_consent_transformation, questionable_consent_sex, etc, and expect people to search questionable_consent+action. Is it necessary to have forced_transformation? Depends on how many false positives there would be using separate tags. That its a tag more people are likely to blacklist may also influence how many false positives are considered acceptable.

ryu_deacon said:
I did remove stacked transformation from the BUR. I did see what you mean in regard to the "fake anthros" that is certainly a problem but also do think there is value in having a tag for transformations that are visibly successive forms(ex: human->anthro->feral; human->plushy->inflatible; tohru->michiru->felicia ; male->herm->neuter; and so on so forth).

Yeah, when it's clearer that it's multiple distinct transformations occurring in sequence, like in the latter examples I gave. sequential_transformations? consecutive_transformations? The pluralization hopefully helps clarify it's separate distinct transformations (1->2->3, instead of 1->2 and counting 1.5), though they could be mistaken for a kind of group_transformation where one character transforms, then another, etc. And the former could also be mistaken for transformation_sequence.