Topic: Unique Koikatsu animations deleted for being "screencaps"?

Earlier I posted the (evilzorak)audio version of an animation by droibles1, found here.

A bit later, I come back and I find that it's been deleted citing 'Screencap (Koikatsu)' as the reason. Also, the other posts by that artist have been deleted, like the earlier well recieved Typhlosion post.
To be blunt, this doesn't make any sense. Yes, Koikatsu is originally a game, yes, but in many cases it is used as a de facto animation program. This is one such case: the animation by droibles1 features custom character models and totally original animation, it's not as if the artist just hit record while playing a hentai video game.

This is a unique animation just as much as anything made in Source Filmmaker, a program that uses the Source videogame engine to work which has thousands of verified uploads on this site. Arguably moreso since many of those are using models ripped from pre-existing videogames. What's the justification for deleting content such as this?

You can discuss this with whoever deleted the upload if you want to dispute deletions.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/23578

bleph said:
Earlier I posted the (evilzorak)audio version of an animation by droibles1, found here.

A bit later, I come back and I find that it's been deleted citing 'Screencap (Koikatsu)' as the reason. Also, the other posts by that artist have been deleted, like the earlier well recieved Typhlosion post.
To be blunt, this doesn't make any sense. Yes, Koikatsu is originally a game, yes, but in many cases it is used as a de facto animation program. This is one such case: the animation by droibles1 features custom character models and totally original animation, it's not as if the artist just hit record while playing a hentai video game.

This is a unique animation just as much as anything made in Source Filmmaker, a program that uses the Source videogame engine to work which has thousands of verified uploads on this site. Arguably moreso since many of those are using models ripped from pre-existing videogames. What's the justification for deleting content such as this?

As per the "screen captures" clause on our Uploading Guidelines: Bad Things to Upload, "screenshots from games" are prohibited as well as "all content created in sandboxes", which Koikatsu technically is.

On the other hand, SFM is not a game nor a sandbox, but it is already pushing the boundaries of what is and what is not allowed.

ruppari said:
You can discuss this with whoever deleted the upload if you want to dispute deletions.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/23578

The janitor in question @Mairo will not entertain any disputes against their deletions.
You'd have to escalate directly to the head janitor @Strikerman about this deletion.

its kinda silly because clearly theres so many koikatsu screencaps i stumbled upon when surfing the site and yet nobody tagged it as a screencap or the source engine (studioNEO), theres also one post that has already 4 months ago without deletion if thats the case against anything from koikatsu being ''screencap'' even when the StudioNEO app is basically SFM but on unity, not a game anymore per se..

kokaishinx said:
its kinda silly because clearly theres so many koikatsu screencaps i stumbled upon when surfing the site and yet nobody tagged it as a screencap or the source engine (studioNEO), theres also one post that has already 4 months ago without deletion if thats the case against anything from koikatsu being ''screencap'' even when the StudioNEO app is basically SFM but on unity, not a game anymore per se..

Feel free to flag/list down the "so many koikatsu screencaps" and a janitor will check on them.

Mairo got to those uploads pretty quickly. I was gonna direct you to rule34.xxx since they have less strict rules and regularly scrape e621, but searching for the md5 hash returns nothing.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Feel free to flag/list down the "so many koikatsu screencaps" and a janitor will check on them.

If any slipped through the cracks, it wouldn't surprise me if the staff got little to no cooperation from users. The overlap between those who actively tag and report things and people who agree with the staff about the importance of removing content like this is going to be even smaller than usual.

It'd be like trying to get everyone to report pornographic human art on Inkbunny or pornographic cub art on Fur Affinity. Those who either don't care or even enjoy it have no incentive to help remove it (including by simply tagging it) and most of the ones that do will probably never notice it.

The point is mainly that if you want to use the existence of non-compliant posts to argue for your post being reinstated, unless its been recently reviewed & approved, that doesn't mean much; just because something was approved doesn't mean that it's emblematic of our standards, & we don't take "what-aboutism" seriously.

hsauq said:
Mairo got to those uploads pretty quickly. I was gonna direct you to rule34.xxx since they have less strict rules and regularly scrape e621, but searching for the md5 hash returns nothing.

If any slipped through the cracks, it wouldn't surprise me if the staff got little to no cooperation from users. The overlap between those who actively tag and report things and people who agree with the staff about the importance of removing content like this is going to be even smaller than usual.

It'd be like trying to get everyone to report pornographic human art on Inkbunny or pornographic cub art on Fur Affinity. Those who either don't care or even enjoy it have no incentive to help remove it (including by simply tagging it) and most of the ones that do will probably never notice it.

That site scraping us is something we really do not like, but don't really have tools to stop either.
But also, that site is purely pornsite, so the only thing they do care is that if it is porn or not most of the time, where e621 is site for furry artwork, so we host artwork rather than porn.
Just saying it's not that they are more or less strict, but rather the sites scope is completely differend.

Also yes, generally speaking, we have so much stuff constantly that sometimes stuff just slips by. Just because it does, doesn't really even hurt anyone in these instances if they do and also if it does, it doesn't justify uploading more of it, rather the slipped material gets deleted later on.

Over my time here, the janitors have changed more than couple times almost completely at this point and I'm one of the only ones still here for this long, so newer staff might also not have that much relevant information, knowledge or experience. Something like modded skyrim content is also for someone new looking OK, but someone who has seen it hundreds of times it's super easy to spot.