Their the same but most people don't know its called ahegao.

did not know that either lol

Esme_Belles said:
Their the same but most people don't know its called ahegao.

anyway 3am, bed time.

Most definitely not the same. Ahegao is the very specific "eyes rolled into the back of the head, tongue sticking out at a stupid-looking angle" face that *can* occur without orgasm, but just pleasure (in fact, the translation of the kanji use 'ahe', the sound for a female's flushed, excited moaning during sex, and 'gao', or face, so usage can range from "weird face" to "pleasure face" to "o-face" as you're suggesting). It looks sort of like a combination of having an orgasm (even if you aren't having one) and being on the verge of sneezing. >.o

Considering the face can take on many different shapes when orgasming, if anything I'd implicate ahegao to orgasm_face, or if only one tag is needed for all the variations of sexual bliss expressions, then just alias it to orgasm_face.

EDIT: Look at these all... It just looks WEIRD. These... are the Ahegaokin. http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E3%82%A2%E3%83%98%E9%A1%94%E8%8F%8C&s_mode=s_tag

EDIT #2: OH GOD WHAT. THEY GOT ROBOCOP http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=1234547

definitely not the same thing, ahegao could imply orgasm face though, but's it's a sub-set of orgasm face.

If most people don't know it's called that, why the heck would be alias it?

This has been discussed before.

I'll see if I can find the thread.

Not the same thing, but still somewhat relevant.

Why would we use a tag that no one knows or uses?

Esme_Belles said:
Their the same but most people don't know its called ahegao.

anyway 3am, bed time.

Conker said:

Why would we use a tag that no one knows or uses?

Everyone who's looked at Japanese hentai knows of the ahegao expression, just not many know the name, a lot of people call it the o face, orgasm expression, ect.
but whatevs if I got it wrong I got it wrong. Just I always assumed most of the "I'm cumming" faces where ahegao

Esme_Belles said:
Everyone who's looked at Japanese hentai knows of the ahegao expression, just not many know the name, a lot of people call it the o face, orgasm expression, ect.
but whatevs if I got it wrong I got it wrong. Just I always assumed most of the "I'm cumming" faces where ahegao

Thats my point, we use certain tags that people know so they know a tag to search and find what it is. If we started using tags that no one knew what it was, than it would be a useless tag wouldnt it? There are many Japanese hentai tags we dont use on here due to people not knowing what it is, so we have our own tags that are more commonly known. As tags that are not known and commonly used, turn out to be useless to people trying to find what they want on this site.

Should be the other way around, honestly. As much as I agree with Esme.

Conker said:
Thats my point, we use certain tags that people know so they know a tag to search and find what it is. If we started using tags that no one knew what it was, than it would be a useless tag wouldnt it? There are many Japanese hentai tags we dont use on here due to people not knowing what it is, so we have our own tags that are more commonly known. As tags that are not known and commonly used, turn out to be useless to people trying to find what they want on this site.

You'd be surprised how many people know the word.

Patchi said:
Should be the other way around, honestly. As much as I agree with Esme.

You'd be surprised how many people know the word.

If you agree with Esme, then you agree not many people know of the word. I dont mind what we tag is as long as its a word known by common folk to be a useful tag. I know we dont use some Japanese hentai tags because not many people know of them, I just think we should keep tags relevant and easy to understand for easy searching on the site.

Halite said:
definitely not the same thing, but [ahegao is a subset of orgasm face].

^In other words, by definition, it must imply the orgasm_face tag. It's the most sensible option we have.

DSR1337 said:

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Doesn't stop tags like "barazoku" from being used. And I doubt everyone knows what "monochrome" is.
Not to mention, the "own tags" are often counterintuitive. The requirement that "gay" or "lesbian" feature two characters is problematic when crossposting from FurAffinity (see: Luciifer_Zephyr debate); at the same time, the "stated_homosexuality" tag is only used in certain circumstances and is lengthy to type.
Exactly, changing the "orgasm_face" tag to a tag that few users even recognize would be pulling a Google Plus.

Here's what would make sense:
You know how with adding the "dog" tag, the broader category "canine" tag is added with it automatically? Clearly, since ahegao is a type of orgasm face, whenever it is added "orgasm_face" should also be automatically added. This way, people like Esme_Belles who know what an ahegao is can still search for it, but we don't create any problems for everyone else.

I apologize for not knowing how that mechanism works.

But this isnt the same, dog and canine are both well known, while this tag is not and there is a much more well known tag already in use.

Conker said:
But this isnt the same, dog and canine are both well known, while this tag is not and there is a much more well known tag already in use.

1) not much more well known. 2) orgasm_face is for all the faces in the rainbow made during orgasm. 3) Ahegao can be an O-face but not always, so an impication or alias wouldn't be appropriate. 4) Ahegao is actually quite commonly known throughout the internet.

Tag it O-face if there is evidence of sexual interaction causing the facial expression. Tag it o-face and Ahegao if it's an ahegao during a sexual interaction. If it's just an ahegao on its own, without context in the image, tag it just ahegao. It's the name for a specific known facial expression that is visually different from standard.

Long story short, tag it ahegao if it has that derp ass face. Don't tag it Ahegao if it doesn't. No alias, no implication. Simple.

Conker said:
If you agree with Esme, then you agree not many people know of the word. I dont mind what we tag is as long as its a word known by common folk to be a useful tag. I know we dont use some Japanese hentai tags because not many people know of them, I just think we should keep tags relevant and easy to understand for easy searching on the site.

I never said that not many people know the word. I said there is a surprising amount of people know it. Don't put words in my mouth Conker.

For the meaning of ahegao:

The Ahegao (アヘ顔, which has often been interpreted as “weird face”, ahe coming from the Japanese onomatopoeia of “アヘアヘ(aheahe)” describing female’s flushed breath/moaning in sex and her sexual excitement, gao meaning “face”) is an exploitable phenomenon taking place in pictures of close-up faces from a token character modified in order to have a kind of lust-filled, overly exaggerated orgasmic expression, the eyes usually rolled up with teardrops/sweat at times, the mouth wide open with the tongue sticking out and blushing cheeks.
The exploitable phenomenon coming from it, Ahegaokin, was enclosed to the Japanese web before being acknowledged by westerners.

Patchi said:
I never said that not many people know the word. I said there is a surprising amount of people know it. Don't put words in my mouth Conker.
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Where did I say I was quoting you Patch? :V

I was actually just mentioning that Esme mentioned it was not well known and joked that if you agreed with them that you also would agree with that :P

123easy said:
1) not much more well known. 2) orgasm_face is for all the faces in the rainbow made during orgasm. 3) Ahegao can be an O-face but not always, so an impication or alias wouldn't be appropriate. 4) Ahegao is actually quite commonly known throughout the internet.

Tag it O-face if there is evidence of sexual interaction causing the facial expression. Tag it o-face and Ahegao if it's an ahegao during a sexual interaction. If it's just an ahegao on its own, without context in the image, tag it just ahegao. It's the name for a specific known facial expression that is visually different from standard.

Long story short, tag it ahegao if it has that derp ass face. Don't tag it Ahegao if it doesn't. No alias, no implication. Simple.

Woulndt the tags open_mouth and derp find images of that kind than? Does this really need a new tag if a combination of tags could find images like such?

Conker said:
But this isnt the same, dog and canine are both well known, while this tag is not and there is a much more well known tag already in use.

How many people on the internet know that the term for sheep, goats, etc. is "caprines"? I didn't before I joined e621.
And Pixiv still uses some tags with romanji characters, when, given its heavily Japanese demographic, having everything in kana would better pass the "most-users-know-what-it-is" test.
Moral of the story: we don't have to reject a tag simply because ignoramuses like me don't know what it is.
Granted, there are hazards with implying tags we don't know. The worst of which is that we might accidentally learn something when we're just trying to fap.

DSR1337 said:
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^In other words, by definition, it must imply the orgasm_face tag. It's the most sensible option we have.
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Must? Nope.
Should? Probably.

Conker said:
Thats my point, we use certain tags that people know so they know a tag to search and find what it is.

You know that if you search say, a tag that has already been aliased it finds the images anyway. So does it really matter?
It took me 24 years before I learned the word ahegao, but I knew the expressesion back in around 9th grade lol.

Esme_Belles said:
You know that if you search say, a tag that has already been aliased it finds the images anyway. So does it really matter?
It took me 24 years before I learned the word ahegao, but I knew the expressesion back in around 9th grade lol.

It matters when it comes to users attempting to tag new images or old ones left untagged.

Conker said:
But this isnt the same, dog and canine are both well known...

The caprine tag isn't.

Conker said:
Wouldn't the tags open_mouth and derp find images of that kind than? Does this really need a new tag if a combination of tags could find images like such?

It's not exactly a derp face, though. I just called it as such. 'derp' indicates some sort of stupidity implicit in the expression, which there isn't- sometimes it's drawn as such, but that doesn't hold true across the board. Again, it's that specific combination of visual traits that combine to make the Ahegao, nothing more, nothing less.

DSR1337 said:

...there are ahegao images that don't have sex, which means that technically it should only imply orgasm_face. However, images that do have sex--and it seems to me like non-solo images make up the majority of ahegao uploaded to e621, have to have the fucked_silly tag, but if it is not implied then it has to be added manually every time. It might be more convenient, despite technical issues, to have it imply fucked_silly. Especially since there are cases when fucked_silly does not imply sex.

I could be wrong. If I am, the tags on that post need fixing.

Yeah, that image has no sex involved, nor aftermath of sex visible. Ahegao is appropriate, but fucked silly or o-face both are not. Tags should be fixed. Furthermore, if it doesn't have sex involved, or aftermath showing, how can you state that it should imply fucked_silly *or* o-face, when you can't tell what state the character is in? This is why Ahegao is a functional tag on its own and should not be implied or imply either of those tags, because it's just describing the facial expression, which neither of those tags always result in.

123easy said:
Again, it's that specific combination of visual traits that combine to make the Ahegao, nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, that image has no sex involved, nor aftermath of sex visible. Ahegao is appropriate, but fucked silly or o-face both are not. Tags should be fixed. Furthermore, if it doesn't have sex involved, or aftermath showing, how can you state that it should imply fucked_silly *or* o-face, when you can't tell what state the character is in? This is why Ahegao is a functional tag on its own and should not be implied or imply either of those tags, because it's just describing the facial expression, which neither of those tags always result in.

You have a point there.
Since it's only the facial expression--and by that I mean the definition of ahegao only encompasses facial expression--then, from looking at this, I think the above solution is best. I asked that question partially because it was unclear if that image's tags were incorrect, or indicative of a correct usage of fucked_silly.