In the new Power Ponies episode out, each of the main six get their own superhero alias, should these be counted as their own tags?

darknessRising said:
In the new Power Ponies episode out, each of the main six get their own superhero alias, should these be counted as their own tags?

only if there's porn of them

It's a costume, not a character.
No.

We don't create a new tag every time they put on a new set of clothes.
It's the same characters.

Just use cosplay tag, problem solved

Power Ponies would be a fine tag as well.
So if you wanted to search for a specific pony wearing her power pony outfit, just search "rainbow_dash_(mlp) power_ponies_(mlp)".

I'm not the biggest fan of the _(mlp) after the power ponies, seems unneeded since I doubt there's a non-mlp power pony.
It seems to be the standard though for some reason, we add it to cutie_mark_crusaders, diamond_dogs etc.

Halite said:
Power Ponies would be a fine tag as well.
So if you wanted to search for a specific pony wearing her power pony outfit, just search "rainbow_dash_(mlp) power_ponies_(mlp)".

Agreed.

Halite said:
Power Ponies would be a fine tag as well.
So if you wanted to search for a specific pony wearing her power pony outfit, just search "rainbow_dash_(mlp) power_ponies_(mlp)".

I'm not the biggest fan of the _(mlp) after the power ponies, seems unneeded since I doubt there's a non-mlp power pony.
It seems to be the standard though for some reason, we add it to cutie_mark_crusaders, diamond_dogs etc.

cutie mark crusaders really shouldn't be a tag, seriously there's three of them, just use their names ffs, diamond dogs is a species so its legit as a tag at least
I just don't want to see flak given to bronies for all these specific tags for just them in show canon, especially with all this aliasing going on. If, however, porn shows up for the original power ponies that isn't the mane 6 then it'd be a justified tag, but cosplay should still be used since they're dressed up as some other ponies.

Halite said:
It's a costume, not a character.
No.

We don't create a new tag every time they put on a new set of clothes.
It's the same characters.

What about Mare do-Well? She's basically the makn six in costume yet sbe hes her own tag.

darknessRising said:
What about Mare do-Well? She's basically the makn six in costume yet sbe hes her own tag.

point taken enough, the problem with that is you can't tell its the mane six dressing up unless they take the costume off. I suppose power_ponies_(mlp) wouldn't be a bad tag, but six individual ones for each character would be too much.

darknessRising said:
What about Mare do-Well? She's basically the makn six in costume yet sbe hes her own tag.

point taken enough, the problem with that is you can't tell its the mane six dressing up unless they take the costume off. I suppose power_ponies_(mlp) wouldn't be a bad tag, but six individual ones for each character would be too much, unless the original group actually gets art done of them.

Halite said:
It's a costume, not a character.
No.

We don't create a new tag every time they put on a new set of clothes.
It's the same characters.

This^

Actually, if they are in costume they should be tagged as the costumed character is separate from themselves, not just as a separate persona from their own but in the fact that they were originally sucked into a comicbook and thus the superhero names aren't even their own; If the ponies dressed up in blue with a Superman S on the chest and a red cape, we'd tag them Superman, because it is the costume that brings Superman to mind.

If it was just a new set of clothes, but they never tried to hide who they were, and they weren't character previous to them taking on the suits, then I'd agree with Halite. As it is, though, they should get separate tags when we get images of them posted.

123easy said:
Actually, if they are in costume they should be tagged as the costumed character is separate from themselves

No, just no. They have the SAME NAMES...just because they put on different clothes does not make them a different character.

Conker said:
No, just no. They have the SAME NAMES...just because they put on different clothes does not make them a different character.

they don't have the same names though, spike refers to the comic character names when he introduces their powers, I don't think they should tag the individual names until actual images show up with the original characters from the comic though. Until then, power_ponies_(mlp) and cosplay should work fine.

Conker said:
No, just no. They have the SAME NAMES...just because they put on different clothes does not make them a different character.

They take on the costumes of in-universe superheroes that exist on their own merit, just like Superman or any other costumed superhero with us. They should be tagged appropriately as the character that is wearing the costume, and the costume itself. https://e621.net/post/show/286812 https://e621.net/post/show/199872 https://e621.net/post/show/199275 https://e621.net/post/show/91826 https://e621.net/post/show/64642 https://e621.net/post/show/229705

We tag costumes by their persona names, we tag characters wearing costumes that aren't the original wearer of the costume by their real names.

123easy said:
just like Superman

No it isnt "just like superman" as superman had all this shit planned out. Also, if we had to have a thread on wither or not to call clark kent his name or superman I would say his name. As him putting on his other set of clothes does not change who he is, he is always clark kent just with glasses. Him taking off glasses does not make him another character.

Conker said:
No, just no. They have the SAME NAMES...just because they put on different clothes does not make them a different character.

No they aren't different characters, but we're already tagging this:
post #284141
as Rainbow Dash. Maybe it should be applied to in-universe example. Or maybe this picture is tagged wrong. I'm not sure.

Also, really? Superheroes after they made that <censored> episode of Mare Do Well? Maybe this is Merriwether Williams' episode, she has known issues with remembering what happened in past episodes.
Good thing I'm not watching season 4, apparently it sucks as expected.

Conker said:
No it isnt "just like superman" as superman had all this shit planned out. Also, if we had to have a thread on wither or not to call clark kent his name or superman I would say his name. As him putting on his other set of clothes does not change who he is, he is always clark kent just with glasses. Him taking off glasses does not make him another character.

His taking off his glasses does not magically turn him into Superman. Taking off his normal clothes and being in costume as Superman is what causes such an image to be tagged Superman. personally I'd tag it Kal-El/Clark Kent (Let the fanboys fight over which name gets to be aliased to the other) AND Superman, as that's both the person wearing the costume and the costumed persona as well.

In the case of the comicbook aliases, they are pre-determined aliases that existed within the comic itself prior to their entering the comic world. It is no different than someone putting on Supes' costume (well, in this case also gaining some of their powers, but there's other heroes and villains that that can apply to, Iron Man for example, who is another good example of how Tony Stark is the man, Iron Man the hero) and as such, they should be tagged. They're caped crusader costumes, they get tagged by the costume persona and the character wearing the costume. That's how we've always done it. This is not a pony-specific issue.

!Gilda: That's a Rainbow Dash costume, it should be tagged with Rainbow Dash and the name of the character inside, unless it's just generic model A and has no name given by the artist.

Conker said:
No, just no. They have the SAME NAMES...just because they put on different clothes does not make them a different character.

When Bruce Wayne puts on new clothes he becomes Batman...

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
No they aren't different characters, but we're already tagging this:
post #284141
as Rainbow Dash. Maybe it should be applied to in-universe example.

Thats just rainbow dash COS-PLAY, not the char.

123easy said:
His taking off his glasses does not magically turn him into Superman. Taking off his normal clothes and being in costume as Superman is what causes such an image to be tagged Superman.

Clark Kent is himself wither he takes of his glasses or not. Hes the same person. He doesnt change in any way besides changing his clothes and taking off glasses...hes still the same person he has ever been. Yes he might have a nickname, but if it came down to tagging images of him we would use the real name vs the nickname, just like how Grumpy cat's real name is Tardar Sauce, we tag her as her real name not her nickname. So we should tag the char as their name, not a nickname.

That's it... Cant do this any more...

Finally adding MLP to my black list. Dont have to deal with tagging them anymore.

_Waffles_ said:
That's it... Cant do this any more...

Finally adding MLP to my black list. Dont have to deal with tagging them anymore.

lol

Conker said:
Thats just rainbow dash COS-PLAY, not the char.

Clark Kent is himself wither he takes of his glasses or not. Hes the same person. He doesnt change in any way besides changing his clothes and taking off glasses...hes still the same person he has ever been. Yes he might have a nickname, but if it came down to tagging images of him we would use the real name vs the nickname, just like how Grumpy cat's real name is Tardar Sauce, we tag her as her real name not her nickname. So we should tag the char as their name, not a nickname.

Go check all the posts that I linked and then some. https://e621.net/post/show/329773 Gee, sure looks like Superman to me. Just like all the other images of the Superman costume being tagged Superman. Same for Green Lantern, Batman, and many more. Stop getting hung up on it being ponies; They're superheroes, they get a character tag for the costumed appearance. Uncostumed appearance gets a different tag. Hell, even for non-superheroes that are associated with a specific costume, we tag the character by the costume- https://e621.net/post/show/160546 Isaac Clarke isn't in this image, but his engineering suit certainly is. We can't see him in any of the other pictures, but we know the suit, and so we tag Isaac CLarke. Same with Iron Man- You can't tag Iron man Tony Stark unless you see him on the page somewhere. If all you see is the suit, it's just Iron Man. This isn't a nickname/name argument,like with Pinkamena and Pinkie Pie who differ visually only by the way the hair is styled; These are full out costumes that change how the character wearing them look dramatically. Hell, we tag Megaman Megaman, even though his real name is Rock, simply because the Blue Bomber's iconic look is known the world 'round as Megaman. There we are tagging the outfit, the design of his costume, rather than the character wearing the armor that modifies his android body whose name is Rock. Same as we don't tag Blues as Protoman, even though that's his real name even in armor, because it's not the name the rest of the world knows.

Costumes get names when they have an alias that goes with them. Like superman and batman. The mane six are dressed as other characters who have their own names, the problem is that those characters never got any screen time to allow you to see them. Imho those characters are not canonical until we get a frame of them, but their group does have a name, power_ponies. So any image with a mane six character cosplaying as a power pony should be tagged as pony_name, power_ponies_(mlp), cosplay. If sometime in the future the actual power ponies get screen time, their names become valid and can be used in tagging.
that's all I have to say.

Sollux said:
Costumes get names when they have an alias that goes with them. Like superman and batman. The mane six are dressed as other characters who have their own names, the problem is that those characters never got any screen time to allow you to see them. Imho those characters are not canonical until we get a frame of them, but their group does have a name, power_ponies. So any image with a mane six character cosplaying as a power pony should be tagged as pony_name, power_ponies_(mlp), cosplay. If sometime in the future the actual power ponies get screen time, their names become valid and can be used in tagging.
that's all I have to say.

Now THIS is a decent argument I can understand. When they got sucked into the comic book, did Spike not address each of them by the name of the Power Pony that they took on the costume of, though?

123easy said:
Go check all the posts that I linked and then some. https://e621.net/post/show/329773 Gee, sure looks like Superman to me. Just like all the other images of the Superman costume being tagged Superman. Same for Green Lantern, Batman, and many more. Stop getting hung up on it being ponies; They're superheroes, they get a character tag for the costumed appearance. Uncostumed appearance gets a different tag. Hell, even for non-superheroes that are associated with a specific costume, we tag the character by the costume- https://e621.net/post/show/160546 Isaac Clarke isn't in this image, but his engineering suit certainly is. We can't see him in any of the other pictures, but we know the suit, and so we tag Isaac CLarke. Same with Iron Man- You can't tag Iron man Tony Stark unless you see him on the page somewhere. If all you see is the suit, it's just Iron Man. This isn't a nickname/name argument,like with Pinkamena and Pinkie Pie who differ visually only by the way the hair is styled; These are full out costumes that change how the character wearing them look dramatically. Hell, we tag Megaman Megaman, even though his real name is Rock, simply because the Blue Bomber's iconic look is known the world 'round as Megaman. There we are tagging the outfit, the design of his costume, rather than the character wearing the armor that modifies his android body whose name is Rock. Same as we don't tag Blues as Protoman, even though that's his real name even in armor, because it's not the name the rest of the world knows.

^This.

Sollux said:
Costumes get names when they have an alias that goes with them. Like superman and batman. The mane six are dressed as other characters who have their own names, the problem is that those characters never got any screen time to allow you to see them. Imho those characters are not canonical until we get a frame of them, but their group does have a name, power_ponies. So any image with a mane six character cosplaying as a power pony should be tagged as pony_name, power_ponies_(mlp), cosplay. If sometime in the future the actual power ponies get screen time, their names become valid and can be used in tagging.
that's all I have to say.

That's the thing though, the weren't cosplaying, they were actually urned into the characters themselves. And again, Mare do-Well only got one episode and she has her own tag despite being the main six (minus RD) in costume, so the same should apply to the Power Ponies.

Munkelzahn said:
only if there's porn of them

Oh trust me, there is.

Wow, ITT the people bent out of shape in the pinkemena thread defending the opposite side here lol

CamKitty said:
Wow, ITT the people bent out of shape in the pinkemena thread defending the opposite side here lol

Not me. I think they should keep the original names and not allow nicknames of the same char. Also to the people who keep mentioning batman and superman, we should fix that to tag their names not nicknames.

CamKitty said:
Wow, ITT the people bent out of shape in the pinkemena thread defending the opposite side here lol

My stance here and there is the same.

CamKitty said:
Wow, ITT the people bent out of shape in the pinkemena thread defending the opposite side here lol

because a) pinkamena is fanon; b) there is no costume, just a hair change; c) there is no alternate persona recognized by the costume separate from the person who normally wears it, just the swing of a bipolar person to depressive from manic with the accompaniment of a psychotic break taken to extremes by the fandom. If we had even one moment of a canon Pinkamena situation where she was differentiated from Pinkie Pie as such, I would completely withdraw all argument about the tag.

Conker said:
Not me. I think they should keep the original names and not allow nicknames of the same char. Also to the people who keep mentioning batman and superman, we should fix that to tag their names not nicknames.

It's not a nickname. Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. Alan Scott is Green Lantern. Guy Gardner is Green Lantern. John Stewart is Green Lantern. Sinistero, before his fall from grace, was Green Lantern. Yalan Gur is Green Lantern. Green Lantern is a name given to anyone who is a member of the Green Lantern Corps, in fact.; all 7200 of them. What is the thread that binds them all? Aside from the power ring (and all the ring's baggage, including the eponymous Green Lantern that recharges the ring) and the manipulation of energy through force of will, it's the black suit with the green torso pieces (some stylistic variation, but always black and shining metallic emerald green) and other highlights such as shining metallic emerald bracers; Many also include a mask of the same shining metallic emerald green.

So, when you see a shining metallic emerald green and black outfit, with the Green Lantern sigil on it (a circle bracketted by two lines running parallel above and below the circle, touching it, as if it was a Roman numeral) what do you call that character? Why, Green Lantern! Yes, that may be Hal Jordan, and his close friends might still call him Hal, but he is still Green Lantern.

123easy said:

It's not a nickname. Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. Alan Scott is Green Lantern. Guy Gardner is Green Lante...-stuff

They are one in the same person, but their real name is not the super hero costume name. Simple as that

Conker said:
They are one in the same person, but their real name is not the super hero costume name. Simple as that

Which is why they are known both as their real name and also by their costume's name. WOuld it make you feel better if the super heroes' character names were changed to Superman_(costume) and Green_Lantern_(costume)? I wouldn't be against it, necessarily, but the fact remains that the costumes do elicit a certain character in people's mind, even if they're completely different species. Blue bodysuit, red tights, red cape, S in a diamond (or heck, just even the red S in a diamond outline on blue, as seen by Superman Tighty Whities, both the e6 image and IRL. Yes, they actually exist) elicits the mental image of Superman, even if worn by Hal Jordan or some other character. That does need to be tagged.

123easy said:
Which is why they are known both as their real name and also by their costume's name. WOuld it make you feel better if the super heroes' character names were changed to Superman_(costume) and Green_Lantern_(costume)? I wouldn't be against it

I think that may be a good idea to tag the costumes, we it would help with images where cosplay is in the image without tagging it as the char which is not there.

For example
post #284141
While having the char tagged as its name, not the clothes.

While I support making (costume) tags to differentiate having the character or someone else dressed as him, I also feel like it won't be used very much.

Sollux said:
While I support making (costume) tags to differentiate having the character or someone else dressed as him, I also feel like it won't be used very much.

We'd basically have to alias the various superheroes to their costume tags, and go through the (limited) amount of images to ensure that any images with the actual characters are tagged their RL names. Is that what we want to do?

I'd prefer not to create a whole new tag for the same character that put different clothes on.

123easy said:
We'd basically have to alias the various superheroes to their costume tags, and go through the (limited) amount of images to ensure that any images with the actual characters are tagged their RL names. Is that what we want to do?

Well, this site does have a tag what you see policy, with the rule of allowing real names of said char to slip by every now and than. So yes, tagging the chars real name over nicknames would be supported in most cases. Due to a limited amount of super heros, this shouldnt be a hard thing to improve and fix.

Conker said:
Well, this site does have a tag what you see policy, with the rule of allowing real names of said char to slip by every now and than. So yes, tagging the chars real name over nicknames would be supported in most cases. Due to a limited amount of super heros, this shouldnt be a hard thing to improve and fix.

So, here's an idea... How about we just assume that the superhero's name, IS the costume? Like how we've always been treating it? >_>

123easy said:
So, here's an idea... How about we just assume that the superhero's name, IS the costume? Like how we've always been treating it? >_>

That would be ignoring tag what you see, and ignoring the characters name over a nickname...which mind you is something we dont do. If Clark kent had glasses on and wore a suit at work hes himself as clark kent, now if he takes the classes off and puts on a body suit with a letter on it, hes still Clark kent. While if you try this the other way around superman cant be clark kent, as superman is based off the clothes, not the man. Therefor he should be tagged as as his real name not the clothes, we shouldnt ignore the char's actual name.

Hmm, we should probably have an Applejack_without_her_hat_(mlp) tag.

Conker said:
That would be ignoring tag what you see, and ignoring the characters name over a nickname...which mind you is something we dont do. If Clark kent had glasses on and wore a suit at work hes himself as clark kent, now if he takes the classes off and puts on a body suit with a letter on it, hes still Clark kent. While if you try this the other way around superman cant be clark kent, as superman is based off the clothes, not the man. Therefor he should be tagged as as his real name not the clothes, we shouldnt ignore the char's actual name.

I'm not saying any image with Clark Kent shouldn't be tagged as Clark Kent. That was never in question. But if he's dressed up as Superman, he should be tagged as such as well. Same with if someone else is wearing an outfit that resembles it, as those links I provided showed. It's like, the one exception to one character, two character tags I can ever understand occuring, because the costume has its own identity while the character has another.

Well its begun....and look at the mess its already making https://e621.net/post/show/416218

Now a image of 6 chars have 12 char names....this is ridiculous

Conker said:
Well its begun....and look at the mess its already making https://e621.net/post/show/416218

Now a image of 6 chars have 12 char names....this is ridiculous

Oh, it's been happening.
I just was removing them before, unlike certain parties, I was willing to wait until a decision here was made to make any further alterations to these tags.

They're the names of the costumed identities. The characters who normally wear the costumes have different names, as do the characters wearing the costumes in that and other images. Tagging them by the character and by the costume character is appropriate. We can see the costume of the specific hero or heroine after all, so it does fall under TWYS.

123easy said:
They're the names of the costumed identities. -words-

There has been no official ruling on this, we shouldnt go adding useless random tags until that time. As many have said before, clothes do not make it another character. Having 12 tag names listed as tags on a image that only has 6 characters in the image is ridiculous

Conker said:
There has been no official ruling on this -snip-

Erm, what? Those are the official names of the costumed characters from the comic Spike was reading that they then took the roles of. This is basic information you can get from wikis, or from the episode itself. It has nothing to do with who is wearing the costumes. That's about as official as it gets. :/

Halite said:
Hmm, we should probably have an Applejack_without_her_hat_(mlp) tag.

123easy said:
Erm, what? Those are the official names of the co-..

Meant no official admin ruling on if we should add a 2nd set of name tags for the sme characters just wearing something different.

Lol maybe since anyone can be tagged as superman while wearing the clothes it should be a species tag.

Sollux said:
Lol maybe since anyone can be tagged as superman while wearing the clothes it should be a species tag.

Good point but as for species tag? No....as clothes are not a new species. We should just tag the char as their real name and be done with it.

The species tag should clearly be kryptonian.

Conker said:
Good point but as for species tag? No....as clothes are not a new species. We should just tag the char as their real name and be done with it.

I was joking

Conker said:
We should just tag the char as their real name and be done with it.

So, you're going to tag Robin with one of his real names? Good luck guessing, and producing more tags then necessary.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
So, you're going to tag Robin with one of his real names? Good luck guessing, and producing more tags then necessary.

Pfft.

Dick Grayson, James Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown.

Easy.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Pfft.

Dick Grayson, James Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown.

Easy.

But you have to guess which one is exactly on the picture. After all you wouldn't like to tag solo picture of Robin with 4 character tags. As conker said: "Having 12 tag names listed as tags on a image that only has 6 characters in the image is ridiculous"

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
So, you're going to tag Robin with one of his real names? Good luck guessing, and producing more tags then necessary.

For chars that dont really have real names, I guess keeping it as Robin_(something) would work. However whatever we do we shouldn't have twice the name tags for half the characters in the actual image.

How about we have a not_in_costume tag and forget the superheroes real names and just tag the costume name, so if you want a Clark Kent you'd use superman+not_in_costume. And it could be used as one tag for every superhero.

Conker said:
For chars that dont really have real names, I

What do you mean that they don't really have real names? Ryuzaki Izawa already counted real names of four Robins. Their names are not less real than Bruce Wayne.

Conker said:
However whatever we do we shouldn't have twice the name tags for half the characters in the actual image.

But we're doing this not only for character costumes. Character that are only on photo that other character is looking at is also tagged. You can have one character, and hundreds of photos one picture, and there will be hundreds of character tags.

For example:
post #336106
has no characters, but only a photo of a character. Should it be tagged with no character tags?

I'm going to actually bother giving my opinion in one of these threads for once:

When looking at these, I can clearly tell which characters these really are.

post #361196

There's no assumption that they're the same character, they quite clearly are the same character. I'd probably just tag the characters and slap on the superhero tag if I was uploading an image. We've already came to an agreement once that we don't tag alternate costumes of the same character after that episode where Pinkie Pie became Puddingface or something along the lines of that.

When looking at Mare Do Well, there's no way of telling who's actually under the costume.
post #402074
There's not even the slightest clue to who's under the costume. You could rule out anybody with wings, but there's still plenty of people that could be in the costume. It could possibly even be a character that has never been portrayed as Mare Do Well in show canon.

So, in a nutshell; I think that alternate costumes of a clearly identifiable character should not be tagged, while a costume that could potentially have various characters inside should be tagged.

Seven_Twenty said:

So, in a nutshell; I think that alternate costumes of a clearly identifiable character should not be tagged, while a costume that could potentially have various characters inside should be tagged.

So Superman should not be tagged, but Batman or Robin should?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
What do you mean that they don't really have real names? Ryuzaki Izawa already counted real names of four Robins. Their names are not less real than Bruce Wayne.

But we're doing this not only for character costumes. Character that are only on photo that other character is looking at is also tagged. You can have one character, and hundreds of photos one picture, and there will be hundreds of character tags.

For example:
post #336106
has no characters, but only a photo of a character. Should it be tagged with no character tags?

1. For the rare parts where they are only known by the nickname

2. That image is tagged incorrectly, last I checked text in a image does not effect tag what you see. That should be fixed. The char in the photo should be tagged, the text should not effect tags.

Halite said:
Power Ponies would be a fine tag as well.
So if you wanted to search for a specific pony wearing her power pony outfit, just search "rainbow_dash_(mlp) power_ponies_(mlp)".

I'm not the biggest fan of the _(mlp) after the power ponies, seems unneeded since I doubt there's a non-mlp power pony.
It seems to be the standard though for some reason, we add it to cutie_mark_crusaders, diamond_dogs etc.

I agree with this. We probably don't need to have the individual tags for each one when they are still very similar. However if a single tag gets rid of two tags, then it is doing it's job.

Still think that it's not enough of a distinction to warrant entirely new character tags when it's more a state of the character (such as a zombified pony, opposite gender pony, etc)

Rainbow_Dash said:
Still think that it's not enough of a distinction to warrant entirely new character tags when it's more a state of the character (such as a zombified pony, opposite gender pony, etc)

State of a character? Like Pinkamena? :P Teasing aside, I can accept that since they aren't common enough at this point to really warrant their own separate tags; An example would be when we just tagged species by generic species, wolf, fox, dog, etc. instead of by individual species with the ur-tags feline and canine and the like as we do now.

Still; what about other characters known by a specific image, like the examples given previous (Green Lantern, Superman, Batman, Iron Man, etc)? There's canonically 7200 Green Lanterns in the DC Universe all with their own personal name and also known as "Green Lantern" by the outfit, regardless of their real name, for example. We do already tag these, since they are a specific image that is considerably different from the base chracter who wears them. They are recognized more by the look than by who they really are (As seen with the number of imposters during the Death of Superman arc who were mistaken for Superman because they used his image and many other examples). After all we define a character by recognizable visual characteristics, which superhero costumes have, and they are even defined as separate characters by the companies that own them (shown by the trademarking of the separate factors of a character (ie Clark Kent and Superman) rather than having the costume fall under the character).

Rainbow_Dash said:
I agree with this. We probably don't need to have the individual tags for each one when they are still very similar. However if a single tag gets rid of two tags, then it is doing it's job.

Still think that it's not enough of a distinction to warrant entirely new character tags when it's more a state of the character (such as a zombified pony, opposite gender pony, etc)

Than can we start removing/fixing this now?

CamKitty said:
Wow, ITT the people bent out of shape in the pinkemena thread defending the opposite side here lol

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

Because costumes are actually noticably different from the base character, image-wise. If Pinkamena wasn't just defined visually by straight hair (additional content in the image is covered under other tags. Trying to say for example that nightmare_fuel is implied by Pinkamena would be wrong, as we already have a nightmare_fuel tag for tagging that) then I wouldn't have even made the thread. Futashy = Fluttershy + penis, Molestia = Celestia + pervert, Trollestia = Celestia + troll. These noun+tag tags are just bloat, and that's why I and others opposed them then, and why they eventually were removed. Compare Clark Kent/Superman with Pinkie Pie/Pinkamena, and you can draw a lot more visual disparities between the former than the latter, just as you can with Pinkie Pie and the superhero outfit known as Fili-Second. Yes, of course she's wearing the outfit, but it does have a separate canon identity, and it is visually distinct. Remember that I have said that if Pinkamena were canon or more visually distinct that I would not have argued as I have for its removal.

So the consensus is no? Lets remove them then

ippiki_ookami said:
So the consensus is no? Lets remove them then

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ippiki_ookami said:
So the consensus is no? Lets remove them then

Actually, consensus is undecided; if everyone doesn't agree, there is no concensus. Now, if you meant majority? At this point, DarknessRising, myself, Gilda, Munkelzahn (he said if there's porn of them, and there is), Moon Moon are for keeping them vs. Halite, yourself, RD, Conker, Butterscotch (favoured Power_Ponies) against. Sollux seems to be middle ground, potentially on your side with power_ponies tag and cosplay tag?
Ryuzaki Izawa did not make any intention known. Now, if you meant majority, you have one, if Sollux is for you. else, we're rather tied on opinions.

Also, no one's directly addressed the issue of other superhero costumes being tagged by the identity of the costume in a satisfactory way (ie; one that isn't just "well they aren't characters" which was refuted earlier and hasn't been contested since). There was some talk of it in the CMC and Eeveelutions threads, which basically came down to tagging the costumes by the identity it represents (since they are visually different from the character who has a 'secret' identity, along with a separate personality either assumed or real attitude unhindered which doesn't affect TWYS directly, but as argument that the costume does make the cape identity a separate character for purposes of tagging). Removing the tags just means that something that should be tagged goes untagged, unless you're replacing it with Power_Ponies (and costume, ofc).

Though, if the original Power Ponies ever get shown (or art is done of the originals not the main 6 wearing the costumes), how would we tag them in that case? All we know of them are their hero names.

ippiki_ookami said:
So the consensus is no? Lets remove them then

Yes.
I was waiting on you to say this.

I'm fine with the tags being removed but there should be something there, they are wearing costumes after all, even if it was forced. I'd put cosplay on them at minimum, but its not my decision.

Still isn't a consensus on it. :/ #thatworddoesn'tmeanwhatyouthinkitmeans

123easy said:
Still isn't a consensus on it. :/ #thatworddoesn'tmeanwhatyouthinkitmeans

Consensus means "general agreement".
It doesn't mean everyone has to agree.