Topic: Can we update the paywalled content tags?

I'm tired of not knowing if a post is going to cut off and link me to a paywall. I completely respect these posts but I just want to know ahead of time and the full_version_at_paywall tag is not cutting it by itself. It either needs to be shortened or we get an implied tag for paywalled_content.

People who don't want to get surprise adverts should get the chance to decide if they want to see these adverts for usually quality content.

I just want the paywall tag to have a more simple name or a more blanket tag. Advertisement is already a tag for in lore and so I do not know if we could make it into a meta tag. But we definitely need a paywall_preview esc tag.

The full_version_at_paywall doesn't always mean it's a full advertisement, and better_version_at_paywall is sometimes just a 4k resolution version. advertisement can mean the porn has an in lore ad. We need something for highlight reels/cropped paywall content

I want to see some suggestions and hopefully there will be a more simple tag for me to flag so I can scroll this site knowing what I'm clicking on. Making it easier for there to be a Paywall_advertisement(esc) blanket tag that indicates a cropped image or video with the intent to redirect me to a paywall site that isn't four words long.

Hopefully if there is a solution, it will be an implied tag that goes under all paywalled tags so it's a single and easy to track tag.

promotional_material is a tag I found while writing this but it doesn't see enough use, and doesn't work as an implied tag to the paywall content adverts I see. Although if anyone has any good ideas for a tag then promotional_material should be implied.
I want to make it as clear as possible that I want at least half of these tags to be simplified and that can only start once there is a blanket tag for these paywall_ads

First of all, for shortened versions - fvap is an alias for full_version_at_paywall, and avap is an alias for alternate_version_at_paywall. Aliases remain valid targets to search and blacklist, just with the tag on the posts more readable.

Also, full_version_at_paywall pretty much does cover this exact use case. Well, maybe, it's not very well tagged. There's also preview.

scth said:
Also, full_version_at_paywall pretty much does cover this exact use case. Well, maybe, it's not very well tagged. There's also preview.

I think the point they are trying to make is that full_version_at_paywall can currently mean two things.

• Straight up cropped, censored, or otherwise "paywall tease" content; e.g., bikomation censored.
• Actual substantial content but with a small portion of "paywall tease" added at the end; e.g., crittermatic animated.

Blacklisting full_version_at_paywall would completely block both of these kind of posts from appearing from my feed, but I may not mind being able to see posts with "actual substantial content" like in the crittermatic example above.

The preview tag may solve this issue, but it may also be fully chopped-up highlight reels that do not provide any "actual substantial content", which is undesirable to say the least.

thegreatwolfgang said:
I think the point they are trying to make is that full_version_at_paywall can currently mean two things.

• Straight up cropped, censored, or otherwise "paywall tease" content; e.g., bikomation censored.
• Actual substantial content but with a small portion of "paywall tease" added at the end; e.g., crittermatic animated.

Blacklisting full_version_at_paywall would completely block both of these kind of posts from appearing from my feed, but I may not mind being able to see posts with "actual substantial content" like in the crittermatic example above.

The preview tag may solve this issue, but it may also be fully chopped-up highlight reels that do not provide any "actual substantial content", which is undesirable to say the least.

Thank you, yes. That is generally what I'm talking about, I want a tag that properly does the job of both preview & promotional_material.
These tags are just too specific when talking about general ads for artists paysites. altered previews of paysite content could have a blanket tag and be paired with full_version_at_paywall / "extended_version_at_paywall" / alternate_version_at_paywall

Within my example you could blacklist:(paywall_advert fvap) without blacklisting videos with extended or alternative version previews at the end.

• The context for fvap would be whether the video abruptly ends, crops the action, or restricts the narrative of the video.
• "extended_version_at_paywall" would be additional scenes e.g. extra poses, easily detachable beginning/ending scene from a loop animation, or anything defined as not exclusively a preview even if the video ends with a preview of additional content.

Although "evap" may fall into avap, we need a wider net for this content than what is currently available with proper tags.

fvap Does not work by itself for what I'm trying to do if posts like this & this 2 are being lumped in as well. It all ultimately leads to a much less intuitive system for sorting paywall content (This 2 is tagged as both fvap & preview yet it still contains an entire video that only ends off for a sequel)

Videos with links to paysite previews and redirects will only grow. Rather than banning it or leaving it in tag limbo, I'd like it if was as easy as "blacklist paywall_tease -evap" where I don't need more than two tags on one line to filter everything.

I'm sure other people would like to do this and I'd be glad to tag posts appropriately so that users can continue filtering the content they would rather not see cropped into a highlight reel. But I'd also like to not miss out on posts that provide more friendly advertising after what is essentially a full product.

Maybe when I'm in the mood to support some quality artists I'll undo the blacklist. Otherwise I don't want to click on something made by an artist I like, only to get shut down and told to wait/pay in order to view the full content.

• I made this forum to get some help figuring out what would be the best course of action as the paywall tags are too obscure for me. The tags in their current stale also make it a no-go for blacklisting, I don't want to search them in their current state either. So I'm very open to new suggestions on what could make them more useful, and I want to see what others think could improve this situation.

azeez_veesk said:
fvap Does not work by itself for what I'm trying to do if posts like this & this 2 are being lumped in as well. It all ultimately leads to a much less intuitive system for sorting paywall content (This 2 is tagged as both fvap & preview yet it still contains an entire video that only ends off for a sequel)

If the video itself is complete, with a separate sequel behind a paywall, I'd say preview is mistagged. preview is for "a crop, scene, or snippet(s) of the full material". By definition, a sequel would be a distinct part where the original stands on its own as a complete work.

But this really goes to speak of the fundamental issue. Different people have different thresholds for how much pay-exclusive content, or how much the content and/or paysite is advertised, that they are okay with seeing. For some people, they don't want to see posts with any amount of pay-exclusive content missing, for other people, it's okay if it's a few extra angle shots, for other people, it's okay if it's just a couple "unimportant" scenes (for some definition of unimportant). For some people, it's an issue when that extra content is partially shown/blurred out, for others, it's being told there is extra content for the given post, others it's being told there is extra content (unrelated to the current post), and yet others, it's simply knowing there is extra content (despite the post itself looking like a complete work someone could put out). And all these are on a sliding scale.

Then there's the added issue when the pay-exclusive extras are time-limited, and get released publicly on some schedule.

azeez_veesk said:
Videos with links to paysite previews and redirects will only grow. Rather than banning it or leaving it in tag limbo, I'd like it if was as easy as "blacklist paywall_tease -evap" where I don't need more than two tags on one line to filter everything.

As mentioned, there isn't really a set definition that can really work, since it depends on the individual. I doubt there's a good definition that would be helpful to most people that would want it. By some definitions, many comics would be considered a "paywall_tease" since the full thing (or at least some extra pages) is available on their paysite which gets mentioned from time to time, while public releases are behind on a set schedule. But many people would be okay with that and wouldn't want it blacklisted because they also don't like how some videos show a couple extra blurred scenes of otherwise fairly complete videos (and many people would be okay with that, but don't want to see short video clips (the kind that some people would produce as a complete work without having a paysite) that mentions a pay version available now that will be released publicly in a couple months; and many people would be okay with that, but don't want to see...).