Something's wrong with the transgender tag. It says it's been aliased to invalid_tag but it still shows up in the tags like this image

Implication to aliased tag strikes again.
There are implications mtf -> transgender, and ftm -> transgender, and they need to be removed.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Implication to aliased tag strikes again.
There are implications mtf -> transgender, and ftm -> transgender, and they need to be removed.

Seems Ippiki forgot to do that >.<

This seems to still be a problem.

Im kinda upset that there is no longer a transgender or transexual tag because now I cant look up stuff that I relate to without finding people's body very rapidly changing sex and them going "oh god Im a girl now! D:" or having to see the tag "Dickgirl".

That tag is really upsetting and makes me feel like the people on this site are the kind of people that yell "shemale" or "dickgirl" at trans girls when they see them in public. :\

RainW said:
Im kinda upset that there is no longer a transgender or transexual tag because now I cant look up stuff that I relate to without finding people's body very rapidly changing sex and them going "oh god Im a girl now! D:" or having to see the tag "Dickgirl".

That tag is really upsetting and makes me feel like the people on this site are the kind of people that yell "shemale" or "dickgirl" at trans girls when they see them in public. :\

Can you recommend better names to describe someone with a female body and only male genitals?
We tried to come up with a better name but we got nothing.

NotMeNotYou said:
Can you recommend better names to describe someone with a female body and only male genitals?
We tried to come up with a better name but we got nothing.

Hotdoghen?
Sausagegirl?
oh oh!
Howabout
Peenaseinoreta

.......XD! Ok that was bad. Anyways ...
@RainW the tag is just a tag, a word. It cant hurt you unless you let it. As for people using it. I know a "dickgirl" as well as a true hermaphrodite. Its worse to try to find a polite version to call something like that, its like calling someone who's retarded "mentally challenged" makes it sound like they can learn not to be what they cant help.

Esme_Belles said:
.......XD! Ok that was bad. Anyways ...
@RainW the tag is just a tag, a word. It cant hurt you unless you let it. As for people using it. I know a "dickgirl" as well as a true hermaphrodite. Its worse to try to find a polite version to call something like that, its like calling someone who's retarded "mentally challenged" makes it sound like they can learn not to be what they cant help.

Except that calling a trans girl "trans" or "transgender" is not a bad thing. Its much better than "dickgirl" or "shemale".

RainW said:
Except that calling a trans girl "trans" or "transgender" is not a bad thing. Its much better than "dickgirl" or "shemale".

Except that's a mental state, indicative of transitioning between genders. A girl with a penis is still a female mentally, even if she's intersex physically; the same can be said for a male with a vagina. Transgender furthermore fails TWYS standards, as it is not something you can tag visually, and, furthermore, cuntboy and dickgirl as a term originated in the LGBT community as further slang for a slang term, that being pussy-boy, to indicate an extremely submissive or 'whipped' male; as submissive traits are seen to be feminine, and the furry (and more generally the online sexual communities of the world) community snapped it up, seeing as a fair number of us belong to both communities, and as intersexed creatures became more and more common the term has changed in meaning from its original to mean the males that are as feminine as they can get without being actually female, thus, cuntboy/cuntboi. Dickgirl comes directly from Japanese anime and manga, as it originated within the futanari subsection and gained popularity online, once again, within the furry community which has a lot of overlap with many other communities. Futanari literally translates to hermaphrodite, but usually is indicative of a dick, sometimes testes, and otherwise female characteristics including breasts and mentality, which has specifically been called dickgirl by those who portray them and who enjoy that type of material on many a site long before e6 began.

All this information is just the tip of the iceberg, unfortunately.

Now, to addressing specifically what you stated... How do you know that a dickgirl is trans and not already sure of her sexual identity? Or the same for a cuntboy? being 'trans' is a mental state that you can be within for only a short period, or you could remain in for the entirety of your life, or you could never enter because you are already self-assured when it comes to your identity. It is this mental component that renders tagging transgender incorrect and as such was the cause of its removal, as it does not coincide with our TWYS (Tag What You See) policy.

123easy said:
Except that's a mental state, indicative of transitioning between genders. A girl with a penis is still a female mentally, even if she's intersex physically; the same can be said for a male with a vagina. Transgender furthermore fails TWYS standards, as it is not something you can tag visually, and, furthermore, cuntboy and dickgirl as a term originated in the LGBT community as further slang for a slang term, that being pussy-boy, to indicate an extremely submissive or 'whipped' male; as submissive traits are seen to be feminine, and the furry (and more generally the online sexual communities of the world) community snapped it up, seeing as a fair number of us belong to both communities, and as intersexed creatures became more and more common the term has changed in meaning from its original to mean the males that are as feminine as they can get without being actually female, thus, cuntboy/cuntboi. Dickgirl comes directly from Japanese anime and manga, as it originated within the futanari subsection and gained popularity online, once again, within the furry community which has a lot of overlap with many other communities. Futanari literally translates to hermaphrodite, but usually is indicative of a dick, sometimes testes, and otherwise female characteristics including breasts and mentality, which has specifically been called dickgirl by those who portray them and who enjoy that type of material on many a site long before e6 began.

All this information is just the tip of the iceberg, unfortunately.

Now, to addressing specifically what you stated... How do you know that a dickgirl is trans and not already sure of her sexual identity? Or the same for a cuntboy? being 'trans' is a mental state that you can be within for only a short period, or you could remain in for the entirety of your life, or you could never enter because you are already self-assured when it comes to your identity. It is this mental component that renders tagging transgender incorrect and as such was the cause of its removal, as it does not coincide with our TWYS (Tag What You See) policy.

Being trans does not mean that you are "unsure" of your gender identity. It means that your gender identity does not match what the doctor said when they pulled you out and swatted your ass. Hell I've /known/ I am a girl since I was 4 years old.

As for the dickgirl stuff you said, it is not a positive term. It is used /at/ people to tell them they are less than "normal" girls because they have a dick. Just because the LGB community uses it does not mean the T community is fond of it.

And fine, I guess cis people dont see breasts and a penis and think "they are probably trans", and seeing as most of the people on this site are probably cis, fair enough. I guess it doesnt work with the twys for you then.

Being called a slutty bitch is not a 'positive term' either, yet many people desire to be called such. :P By no means do I mean that it's univerally accepted, but it is what has been generally decided upon both in and outside the T community in general for someone who has decided to be a female with a dick instead of a vagina, rather than is transitioning between the two human genders.

Now, if this was a site devoted to RL porn, or was a non-furry community, I'd definitely agree with you on that seeing a penis and breasts first thought is trans rather than dickgirl, but that's exactly why the attempt to illustrate why it's different here and generally elsewhere in the furry community. ^_^

Lastly, being trans means you are between genders, in the transition phase from one to another, IRL. This usually comes with a lot of fluidity and questioning and general unsurety until a decision is made to affix one's gender to one's sexual identity, which itself might also be in flux at the time. I personally know one who became female and loves females who originally loved men, one that has been quite assured of her sexual preferences even as she became a he, and another who found his mate for life and was supported through his change to a she after ten years of them being together as a gay couple. These are just a few examples of some of the trans community members I know, and thus why I state it's a state in which you are generally unsure of your gender identity, as it is more rare to know for sure exactly who you are when your body doesn't reflect that properly.

123easy said:
Being called a slutty bitch is not a 'positive term' either, yet many people desire to be called such. :P By no means do I mean that it's univerally accepted, but it is what has been generally decided upon both in and outside the T community in general for someone who has decided to be a female with a dick instead of a vagina, rather than is transitioning between the two human genders.

Now, if this was a site devoted to RL porn, or was a non-furry community, I'd definitely agree with you on that seeing a penis and breasts first thought is trans rather than dickgirl, but that's exactly why the attempt to illustrate why it's different here and generally elsewhere in the furry community. ^_^

Lastly, being trans means you are between genders, in the transition phase from one to another, IRL. This usually comes with a lot of fluidity and questioning and general unsurety until a decision is made to affix one's gender to one's sexual identity, which itself might also be in flux at the time. I personally know one who became female and loves females who originally loved men, one that has been quite assured of her sexual preferences even as she became a he, and another who found his mate for life and was supported through his change to a she after ten years of them being together as a gay couple. These are just a few examples of some of the trans community members I know, and thus why I state it's a state in which you are generally unsure of your gender identity, as it is more rare to know for sure exactly who you are when your body doesn't reflect that properly.

Gender identity and sexual preference have absolutely nothing to do with one another, FYI.
also Trans does not mean between genders. Transitioning is trying to get your physical sex to reflect your gender. Transgender is your birth sex and your gender do not agree with each other.

Trans does not refer to transitioning, but rather it refers to transgender and transexual

123easy said:
but it is what has been generally decided upon both in and outside the T community in general for someone who has decided to be a female with a dick instead of a vagina, rather than is transitioning between the two human genders.

Now, if this was a site devoted to RL porn, or was a non-furry community, I'd definitely agree with you on that seeing a penis and breasts first thought is trans rather than dickgirl, but that's exactly why the attempt to illustrate why it's different here and generally elsewhere in the furry community. ^_^

For that first part, are you inside the T community? Do you know what we have actually decided was nice? Or are you outside of the T community just claiming that they like those words?

For the second part, that is exactly like saying "In RL if I saw two guys together I'd call them gay but if they are in furry I'd call them faggots"

For many, at least here where I live, being trans has a lot ot do with sexual preference as well as gender identity. Most ops done here are done with that in mind. I know a few pre-ops who have decided to stay that way because they prefer penetration/penetrating, but the majority of them don't have that level of confidence and change both because it fits their mental self better but also because they will be more easily accepted by whatever their sexual preference is, or at least that's what they've confided to me.

Trans does not mean between genders. Transitioning is trying to get your physical sex to reflect your gender.

That's literally what I said. It's when you're between states (literally, transitioning between states) where the states in question is your physical sex and the sex you are mentally.

Being trans has 0 to do with your sexual preference. Liking guys doesnt make me trans, liking girls doesnt make me trans. Being pansexual doesnt make me trans. What makes me trans is my brain and my body disagreeing.
What makes me not get a super risky and invasive surgery is $36,000 and a fear of super risky and invasive surgeries.

For others the surgery is for how comfortable they feel in their own skin and with the parts they have. Sure liking sex a bit more might be a bonus with it, but it is rarely the defining reason.

Anyway, Im done talking here. Im tired and not willing to expend any more energy on this, as it wont yield any results anyway.

Tag dickgirl is not about whether person is trans or not. Dickgirl means more or less character_with_visible_dick_and_breasts_but_without_visible_pussy. I will be happy with change dickgirl to tag that is not misleading (Dickgirl suggests that character with penis and pussy and breasts visible should also get this tag. However this kind of character gets herm tag.), but please do not confuse this tag with whether character is trans or cis. It's completely different issue.

RainW said:
Anyway, Im done talking here. Im tired and not willing to expend any more energy on this, as it wont yield any results anyway.

The fact is this discussion was open for a loooong time here and here.

You should have spoken up there and not waited until after the alias was implemented to complain about it.

ippiki_ookami said:
You should have spoken up there and not waited until after the alias was implemented to complain about it.

What for, it was pretty much useless to try say something against that alias when almost everyone there wanted to make it, for example I did not like the alias, but there were too many wanting it to happen that it ended being that way (not saying that it's wrong, but rather that it would've been a waste of time to try argue back).

ippiki_ookami said:
The fact is this discussion was open for a loooong time here and here.

You should have spoken up there and not waited until after the alias was implemented to complain about it.

I was unaware of the conversation happening as this thread is the first time I've ever gone to the forums here.

Anyway I was just voicing my opinion on it. Not really trying to shake any foundations or anything.

Butterscotch said:
What for, it was pretty much useless to try say something against that alias when almost everyone there wanted to make it, for example I did not like the alias, but there were too many wanting it to happen that it ended being that way (not saying that it's wrong, but rather that it would've been a waste of time to try argue back).

Never a waste of time to stand up for what you believe in.

Wow, I wasn't expecting this kind of erasure when I joined this site.

I'm Transgender, my character is Transgender. I should be allowed to use the Transgender tag without question if that is the history of my character. If not, then I'm just going to request the art of my characters be taken down. I wont allow someone to erase the history of myself and my characters and replace it with derogatory and slurred words.

VioletHyena said:
I wont allow someone to erase the history of myself and my characters and replace it with derogatory and slurred words.

Transgender tag is not replaced with anything besides invalid_tag which is promptly deleted. If there is any other tag on pictures of your char then it would have been there even before this change.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Transgender tag is not replaced with anything besides invalid_tag which is promptly deleted. If there is any other tag on pictures of your char then it would have been there even before this change.

I'm new to this site, so is my character art. From what I can see all of it added after this change.

VioletHyena said:
Wow, I wasn't expecting this kind of erasure when I joined this site.

I'm Transgender, my character is Transgender. I should be allowed to use the Transgender tag without question if that is the history of my character. If not, then I'm just going to request the art of my characters be taken down. I wont allow someone to erase the history of myself and my characters and replace it with derogatory and slurred words.

No just no. We follow tag what you see, not tag what you know. We dont use character back-stories when tagging a image. Tagging on a image doesnt erase anything of your fictional character. Invalid_tag poofs off the tags after some time...and invalid_tag is not any derogatory or slurred word.

VioletHyena said:
I'm new to this site, so is my character art. From what I can see all of it added after this change.

Nope, the only thing that changed was this tag has become invalid. Nothing else changed. Lastly transgender isnt a gender tag, its a mindset which we do not tag.

edit: It seems you keep removing valid tags like dickgirl and intersex https://e621.net/post_tag_history?user_id=120703 and tagging transwoman which isnt a correct if you follow tag what you see. If a image has a women with breasts and a dick, than the gender is dickgirl as we follow tag what you see. However if you wish to say your char is transgender than put it in the desc of the image, not the tags.

Conker said: If a image has a women with breasts and a dick, than the gender is dickgirl as we follow tag what you see. However if you wish to say your char is transgender than put it in the desc of the image, not the tags.

To further address this point: Dickgirl is what the LGBT community and the furry community and the Hentai community have all come to an agreement on calling women who have penises. If you want to suggest an alternative that has nothing to do with mental state, and so follows TWYS, by all means suggest such a thing. Trans is mental state, and while it is often in conjunction with physical form, we do not tag it because of that.

123easy said:
To further address this point: Dickgirl is what the LGBT community and the furry community and the Hentai community have all come to an agreement on calling women who have penises.

Not in the hentai community. We mainly use futa(nari) and newhalf for that, though admittedly the former covers a bit more than just girls with dicks.

Genjar said:
Not in the hentai community. We mainly use futa(nari) and newhalf for that, though admittedly the former covers a bit more than just girls with dicks.

Well yes, some sites that use romaji names do use futanari instead of dickgirl, I'll admit that, but when they do they are typically using it in the broader sense of hermaphrodite (which is the literal translation) or as herm and dickgirl and cuntboy all together. When referring just specifically to females with penises instead of vaginas, and not both, I've only ever seen it called dickgirl in hentai. I will note that I've also heard newhalfin discussions, but never seen it actually used as a tag in any form. o.o

123easy said:
Well yes, some sites that use romaji names do use futanari instead of dickgirl, I'll admit that, but when they do they are typically using it in the broader sense of hermaphrodite (which is the literal translation) or as herm and dickgirl and cuntboy all together. When referring just specifically to females with penises instead of vaginas, and not both, I've only ever seen it called dickgirl in hentai. I will note that I've also heard newhalfin discussions, but never seen it actually used as a tag in any form. o.o

Most of the major anime and hentai boards/sites use those. Danbooru and E-Hentai, for example: dickgirl is aliased to futanari on both and newhalf is also sometimes used as a tag. Cuntboy equivalents are generally just tagged as female plus flat_chest, instead of futanari.

I don't remember ever actually seeing the term dickgirl used outside of furdom. Except as an insult. Maybe I just don't frequent right boards. *shrug*

Genjar said:
Most of the major anime and hentai boards/sites use those. Danbooru and E-Hentai, for example: dickgirl is aliased to futanari on both and newhalf is also sometimes used as a tag. Cuntboy equivalents are generally just tagged as female plus flat_chest, instead of futanari.

I don't remember ever actually seeing the term dickgirl used outside of furdom. Except as an insult. Maybe I just don't frequent right boards. *shrug*

I don't frequent Danbooru or e-hentai much, I'll admit, but I know with e-Hentai they have it defined almost right. Futanari is supposed to only be for characters with both sets (only true hermaphrodites), and they use it almost right there, but they specify only *girls* with both sets, like you have to be feminine to have both genitals? Then for 'girls with penises' they have it as shemale with aliases of ladyboy, newhalf, and transsexual. Furry fandom for whatever reason has, by majority, decided that breasts + cock = new gender, so we can't exactly just use that qualification because that isn't always transsexual, and very rarely is transsexualism evident visually in an image by TWYS. Their definition of cuntboy, though... just what. "A male with a vagina. Essentially the opposite of futanari." If it was the opposite, then it'd be a male neuter, which just goes to show that it's not always used right. >_>; Most of the other places I go reserve futanari for true herms with both genitals, breasts or no, and use dickgirl for breasts+dick.

I've also been to a few LGBT and BDSM/LGBT boards and sites that use it, and while I'm mentioning it for posterity, not using it as an example of good tagging because do you think they actually give two shits about tagging things properly or just whatever they think will get them searched better and make money?- porn sites use it.

I wouldn't be against tags like newhalf, generally, except that the tag by itself doesn't really mean anything, and isn't widely known; it's basically the equivilent to a fandom tag in requiring outside knowledge to tag the right phrase, or to search for it sans smart aliasing. With the case of dickgirl, it's self-descriptive. A girl that has a dick. It's not a true hermaphrodite that has both, else solo images of them would be tagged herm as well.