Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
The tag alias #79666 :3 -> cat_smile is pending approval.
Reason: Aliasing now that I can :3
cat_smile has an alias and doesn't break the tag rules, so it seems best to alias it there. Any other similar tags I need to know?
Also, should we keep some of the :* tags? Though I have no idea what names they should have if they were to be aliased
And what about tags like D:?
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I personally think all characters forbidden in Windows file names (<>:"/\|?*) shouldn't be allowed in tags in addition to the current restrictions.
eightoflakes said:
I personally think all characters forbidden in Windows file names (<>:"/\|?*) shouldn't be allowed in tags in addition to the current restrictions.
"Windows file names" is an absolutely wild list to use
As it is currently, tag names:
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Not a fan of calling it "cat_smile", since it's not necessarily a cat that does it. It can be a fox, a raccoon, a rabbit, etc, nor is it necessarily trying to imitate a cat face or is a result of anything unique to feline anatomy. In general, I prefer to avoid <species>_<thing> tags because they're easy to confuse for being "a <species> has/does <thing>", rather than "a particular <thing> that people interpret as a <species>-like <thing>" (as a cat can smile without making that face, and a non-cat can smile with that face, and even a cat can not-smile with that face like TheGreatWolfgang's link shows).
watsit said:
Not a fan of calling it "cat_smile", since it's not necessarily a cat that does it. It can be a fox, a raccoon, a rabbit, etc, nor is it necessarily trying to imitate a cat face or is a result of anything unique to feline anatomy. In general, I prefer to avoid <species>_<thing> tags because they're easy to confuse for being "a <species> has/does <thing>", rather than "a particular <thing> that people interpret as a <species>-like <thing>" (as a cat can smile without making that face, and a non-cat can smile with that face, and even a cat can not-smile with that face like TheGreatWolfgang's link shows).
I agree. I recently added :3 to these two images (along with open_:3 for the first one):
Neither of these are cats, so if "cat" was in the tag name, I might have been put off applying it to posts like those (unless its wiki made clear that it was OK to use for other species).
Also, those are both quite subtle examples of the expression. The Amy one might not even be a smile - it could potentially just be the way that artist draws resting mouth shapes. Arguably the rabbit's open_:3 also might not even be a smile.
Having said that, I do think there are benefits to replacing the punctuation-only tags with words (as happened with <3 becoming heart_symbol): more characters makes them more easily discoverable when typing the first few letters into the tag prompt.
I see that the cat_mouth tag is currently aliased to cat_smile. Maybe those could both be aliased to a new tag called catlike_mouth, and then :3 could be aliased to catlike_mouth? That way, it would make it clear that it covers resting mouth shapes as well as smiles, and that it can be used for species other than felines?
chemistrynoisy said:
Having said that, I do think there are benefits to replacing the punctuation-only tags with words (as happened with <3 becoming heart_symbol): more characters makes them more easily discoverable when typing the first few letters into the tag prompt.I see that the cat_mouth tag is currently aliased to cat_smile. Maybe those could both be aliased to a new tag called catlike_mouth, and then :3 could be aliased to catlike_mouth? That way, it would make it clear that it covers resting mouth shapes as well as smiles, and that it can be used for species other than felines?
While I do agree that replacing tags like :3 isn't a bad idea, catlike_mouth still seems weird. Why "cat" when it's not something unique to cats? Particularly in cases like
post #5869172 post #2309858
where it's relatively subtle on a natural expression, not even attempting to look like or be evocative of a cat. It can occur on most things with a short snout, with no intention of being cute or sly or whatever stereotypical "catlike" trait could imply.
My first thought would be to call it wavy_mouth, but that's already used for more extreme wavy-ness associated with nervousness or sadness. Maybe w_mouth can work? It avoids the punctuation, without insinuating anything about species that may not be applicable.
watsit said:
Why "cat" when it's not something unique to cats?
Because this is how the emoticon is commonly known to people. Good idea with w_mouth though, an objective description, that might be better. Personally I don't really care between the two which is picked since it's an alias so typing :3 will still give the same results when searching or tagging
muzzle mouth? snout_mouth? philtrum_mouth? (The philtrum is that groove running down from the bottom of your nose to the top of your upper lip.)
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Should we remove/alias away from all tags which fail the current tag validation system? Or can we keep some?
