Topic: Assholes wanted (critisism) - 5th work up (re-used thread)

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I don't know how to criticise art properly, but the background kind of hurts my eyes.

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The shading needs some work, it doesnt seem like normal light for said shadows to be on certain areas. But its overall good if you fix the color choice for the background

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Ditto the strange lighting, especially on the waffle.
EDIT: I should add that the face doesn't seem to have any depth, it's a flat face with a muzzle on top.

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Peekaboo said:
The lineart needs some improving. Try and making the lines slightly thicker, it will make everything look a bit better. You might just want to skip that background as well, or just replace it with something simpler, right now it's too odd and it takes the attention away from the drawing.

easy change. What would you suggest for a background?

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Suineder said:
Ditto the strange lighting, especially on the waffle.
EDIT: I should add that the face doesn't seem to have any depth, it's a flat face with a muzzle on top.

The face: is that a drawing problem or is that a shading problem?

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Conker said:
The shading needs some work, it doesnt seem like normal light for said shadows to be on certain areas. But its overall good if you fix the color choice for the background

Yes! Shading is a whole lot harder than first though. I need to find some youtube videos on it.

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Peekaboo said:
The lineart needs some improving. Try and making the lines slightly thicker, it will make everything look a bit better. You might just want to skip that background as well, or just replace it with something simpler, right now it's too odd and it takes the attention away from the drawing.

I will try thicker lines for my next drawing. Background was heeded and changed: https://e621.net/post/show/387456/absent_background-ambiguous_gender-blue_eyes-blue_

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_Waffles_ said:
The face: is that a drawing problem or is that a shading problem?

I would say mostly a shading problem.
I took a look at the revised version, and the face is already starting to look better.

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I honestly thought it was a bronze medallion he was hugging and not a waffle. I think the lines on it are too hard, straight and regular. Almost like they're cast in metal instead of being something soft enough to eat. A little irregularity would probably help that. and maybe some shading to give the waffle holes more of a "I can take syrup!" classic look. Right now they don't look very deep, perhaps even decorative.

Also, the highlight on it currently makes the waffle/medallion look shiny. Waffles don't usually shine so I think that's part of why I thought it was a medallion at first.

Another trick you might try to make it look more waffle-like could be as simple as adding a pat of butter to the front of it, and/or drizzling some syrup across it? Just some ideas if you get stuck I guess.

The only other thing I can see at this moment is that the tongue looks like a sticker pasted onto his upper lip. I don't know how to fix that, just that it doesn't quite work at it is. I think it may be a shading issue because it looks like it's flat. And if the shading made it look like it was thicker I think it'd look like a tongue again.

But you have gotten much better. The only other thing I can think of is that a lot of the body stripes look spray painted on instead of looking like actual fur. The spots look pretty good though, it's just the stripes which look a bit unconvincing.

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The primary Issue with the waffle is that there is no visual depth between the raised grid and the pockets of syrup (At least they look like syrup-filled pockets) and with the edges of the waffle and the rest of the picture- it's more like a cardboard cutout of a pancake with drawn-on waffle lines. Additionally, waffles typically aren't shiny, and have slightly uneven colouration due to batter pour methods and uneven griddle heat (Happens more often than you think!) with the middle usually being slightly lighter than the edges, and all grid 'lines' being overall generally crisper and darker, with the pockets being a light golden shade, with only a little brown.

I'd also recommend doing edging on the fur colour stripes/patches so that it stands out a little better- Nothing big, but something to combat how it looks like a blurry splotch right now, rather than the individual strands of hair making up a pattern that it would look like in real life. Perhaps do so by dotting around the border with a very fine point? Just an idea, no clue if that'd work or not- I have an eye for art, not a hand for it. >_>;

Paws look like they were made as one round bulb then just lines through them to make toes, without actually trying to round off each toe separately (This is excusable,since, y'know, early arts, don't get too complex, but figured I'd point it out anyways)

Paw pads aren't lined up to the toes, but seem more just smushed in to fit on the foot (This is a bit more of a problem than the prior point is)

The mouth looks like it isn't actually on a snout, but is flat/on a human-length face. I think part of this issue is from the mouth/face being placed too far to the right (viewer's left) on his head, so it seems like it's not actually protruding at all. If you take a look at https://e621.net/post/show/318678 for example, you can see that even though the rabbit (the feline too) has a short face the placement is such that the lines of it are outside the bounds of the side of the face, which in addition to heavier shading on the more sunken parts of his face (around the eyes mostly, but also under his nose where his lip turns in) gives a satisfying illusion of depth. The feline does it differently, both in having the muzzle to give a very obvious delineation of where the base of her mouth and snout is and also through the thickness of the strap, showing there is a decent amount of width from the base to tip of her nose.

Lastly, the tongue doesn't look like it's coming out from between the lips. I think this is in part due to depth issues and shading/detailing on the tongue (it looks like a piece of pink gum or a sticker) but also because the lower lines of it start so much lower than the lines for the lips do. https://e621.net/post/show/387386 Using this picture for an example, we can see that the top of the tongue starts beneath the upper lip, and the bottom starts above the bottom lip- even if it depresses the bottom lip to exit the mouth.

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Yea, the waffle needed a whole different shade technique for it. Most people see the "lighting being very odd" and off, but that lighting/highlights/odd colored section was supposed to be syrup. The syrup in three primary 'streams' got the heavy highlights due to it being shiny. Obviously it did not work....

The paw pads do need work. I was going for a chibi, so I was keeping them basic. Although that does not mean that i can put more time into them if I decide to redo this piece of work.

the tongue is horrid. I will try and reshade it to get more depth with it.

The face is odd. I never noticed the problem with it until it was pointed out, now I can not unsee it. I will make sure to turn the face a bit more. For now though, I wonder if a shading tweak will help out.

Thanks again everyone!

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I'd suggest that you match the background with a similar subjected picture...
Like if that character was on drugs or something, the background would be appropriate, but so far, I'm going with a field of waffles look.

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