Transgender is sort of a weird tag right now, and doesn't have a very clear definition of when it should and should not be used. The wiki says:

Related to or inspired by real-life transgender/transsexuality.

Which isn't very helpful, and would imply that it should be implicated from cuntboy and dickgirl. It's implicated from mtf and ftm at this point in time, which would lead me to believe that it's use should be restricted to when a character is clearly undergoing a transformation from male to female or vice-versa.

The trouble comes from the standard definitions of transgender, ie:

- "Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender roles, but combines or moves between these."

- "People who were assigned a sex, usually at birth and based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves."

- "Non-identification with, or non-presentation as, the sex (and assumed gender) one was assigned at birth."

None of these are particularly TWYS friendly, as they rely on either outside knowledge. You could be considered transgender if you appear to all outside observers 100% male, but identified as female, did feminine things (put on makeup, wore dresses, etc.); this is not TWYS friendly, and is covered by the crossdressing tag.

So what do we do with this tag? Its usage is all over the board, being applied to MTF/FTM images, as well as dickgirl/cuntboy images. Should we alias it to something else; what would we alias it to?

I'm for removing this tag, or keep it as equivalent of ~ftm ~mtf. Crossdressing is not the same as transgender, and in most cases there is no way to distinguish them just by looking on one picture.

Unless we're going to tag whole pools/sets in near future. Then this tag will make more sense than now.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I'm for removing this tag, or keep it as equivalent of ~ftm ~mtf. Crossdressing is not the same as transgender, and in most cases there is no way to distinguish them just by looking on one picture.

Unless we're going to tag whole pools/sets in near future. Then this tag will make more sense than now.

There was already 3 threads on these tags for removing them...it seems people just forgot

Conker said:
There was already 3 threads on these tags for removing them...it seems people just forgot

I'm not advocating in any particular direction in regards to this tag, but I do feel like if it's going to be used, we need to have a clear, concise definition for when it should and should not be used. If we cannot come up with a clear definition that fits within the parameters of TWYS, then we should alias it to something to prevent its use until such a time that we can come up with a proper definition and use for it.

corgi_bread said:
I'm not advocating in any particular direction in regards to this tag, but I do feel like if it's going to be used, we need to have a clear, concise definition for when it should and should not be used. If we cannot come up with a clear definition that fits within the parameters of TWYS, then we should alias it to something to prevent its use until such a time that we can come up with a proper definition and use for it.

I agree with this.

What confuses me about it is that even visually transforming from one gender to another already has the ftm or mtf tag (plus the transformation tag), so what purpose does having the transgender tag serve? It's also a bit misleading to be using these real life terms in ways that aren't really the same as their real life definitions. I think that leads to accidental or even well-intentioned misuse of the tag. And tagging confusion when people see it used on the site in ways that don't match how it's used in real life. I don't know what other term we could use, or what the best option is. But other than transgender pride related items like this https://e621.net/post/show/233899/ I really don't see much to use the transgender tag for which isn't already covered by ftm, mtf, transformation, crossdressing, dickgirl, cuntboy, intersex, etc. So...I'm really not sure why we should keep it, unless it's only for the symbol, flag, etc. The few times being transgender is something you can clearly TWYS in a 2 dimensional image, then those tags already cover whichever aspect of it is being visibly portrayed.

I'm just hoping this discussion doesn't turn into a war over how transgenders aren't pictured correctly, like some of the other ones.

corgi_bread said:
I'm not advocating in any particular direction in regards to this tag, but I do feel like if it's going to be used, we need to have a clear, concise definition for when it should and should not be used. If we cannot come up with a clear definition that fits within the parameters of TWYS, then we should alias it to something to prevent its use until such a time that we can come up with a proper definition and use for it.

It shouldnt be used, as the other threads brought up it breaks tag what you see....I think an admin even said its only for images where there is a sex change going on....but people never use it for that. I'm seeing more crossdressing guys tagged as it.....which is wrong :v

Anything with a penis =male

Ko-san said:
Anything with a penis =male

You might want to do your research because that's not how we tag genders here. Read that link to avoid any mistagging, it truly covers everything. Tagging all penises as "male" would be oversimplified, a mistag, partially erroneous, far too broad and is not really even on topic: the current gender tagging system isn't what's being discussed here. This is only about whether the tag "transgender" is currently serving a purpose within that existing gender tag system. And, if it is, then getting a more clearly defined wiki for it. So, do you have any suggestions on that specifically?

furrypickle said:
You might want to do your research because that's not how we tag genders here. Read that link to avoid any mistagging, it truly covers everything. Tagging all penises as "male" would be oversimplified, a mistag, partially erroneous, far too broad and is not really even on topic: the current gender tagging system isn't what's being discussed here. This is only about whether the tag "transgender" is currently serving a purpose within that existing gender tag system. And, if it is, then getting a more clearly defined wiki for it. So, do you have any suggestions on that specifically?

I don't tag it that. That's just my stance on it.

Regarding the actual topic, I think it should purely be TWYS, even though that can be inaccurate to what the artist intended. If you see a penis and no tits, it's a man. Vag with no penis, it's a woman. If both are there, or there are tits and a penis, then tag it futa.

Ko-san said:
I don't tag it that. That's just my stance on it.

Regarding the actual topic, I think it should purely be TWYS, even though that can be inaccurate to what the artist intended. If you see a penis and no tits, it's a man. Vag with no penis, it's a woman. If both are there, or there are tits and a penis, then tag it futa.

No, you don't tag it futa...
You tag it dickgirl.
If it's a guy with a vagina...
You tag it cuntboy.
If it's got both...
You tag it herm and/or intersex.

Moon_Moon said:
No, you don't tag it futa...
You tag it dickgirl.
If it's a guy with a vagina...
You tag it cuntboy.
If it's got both...
You tag it herm and/or intersex.

There's no such thing as a "cuntboy". Futa is aliased to "dickgirl" (also not a thing, to me at least). I never need the "herm" tag but "futa" pretty much covers that.

Stop taking the discussion off-focus, we are not discussing the validity of dickgirl/cuntboy/herm and when they should be applied, we are discussing what to do with the transgender tag.

Ko-san said:
There's no such thing as a "cuntboy". Futa is aliased to "dickgirl" (also not a thing, to me at least). I never need the "herm" tag but "futa" pretty much covers that.

It doesnt matter what it is to you, its the TWYS rule that applies around here.

Conker said:
It doesnt matter what it is to you, its the TWYS rule that applies around here.

All of this.

If we have ftm and mtf, there's not any reason to have transgender. I mean, it's not like you can have ftm and mtf in one image (or, rather, why would you search for such a thing?) so it's rather pointless.

I vote baleet.