The tag alias #74432 snake_naga -> naga is pending approval.

Reason: Redundant 95% of the time on top of being underused.

Do we need any of the *_naga tags? we typically only do [species]_[form] for humanoids and taurs.

pleaseletmein said:
Do we need any of the *_naga tags? we typically only do [species]_[form] for humanoids and taurs.

also were*, although I'm kinda on the fence about those already. 'noids and taurs kinda make sense since they are/can be split_form and species tagging for them's a bit different, but nagas are the same animal all the way down. it'd make sense to have it for, like, lamia _{(maybe? you could apply snake_humanoid to those, so even that seems redundant)}, but doing it for naga definitely seems odd.

IIRC, these naga subtags were only created fairly recently because the naga tag was originally supposed to be used only for snakes, and everything else was a lamia. But people didn’t really stick to that definition, so the definition was changed to better match how people were actually using the tags. It being underpopulated is due to the fact that nobody has taken up the project of populating it within the relatively short time that it has existed thus far.

I mean, if we already do this for taurs, I don’t really see why not.

spe said:
I mean, if we already do this for taurs, I don’t really see why not.

Personally I think nagas/lamias should be considered a subtype of taur, feral lower half y'know.

Spe is correct, the naga subtags were created because we ended up broadening the definition of naga to cover non-snake bodies (BUR #5112). Granted, the tag is underused because I'm bad at following up on bulk tagging projects, so that thing never reached critical mass, but it has a well-defined purpose. Just because it's "redundent with the 95% case" doesn't make it pointless; I've compared it to pregnant_female before.

dba_afish said:
also were*, although I'm kinda on the fence about those already. 'noids and taurs kinda make sense since they are/can be split_form and species tagging for them's a bit different, but nagas are the same animal all the way down. it'd make sense to have it for, like, lamia _{(maybe? you could apply snake_humanoid to those, so even that seems redundant)}, but doing it for naga definitely seems odd.

I specifically didn't make any similar subtags for lamia because of how messy *taur can be in that regard, since it's never clear whether that species qualifier applies to the bottom part, the top part or both. fox_taur usually covers both, but equine_taur only targets the bottom (but horse_taur targets both) and humanoid_taur only covers the top part. In that regard, naga is pretty clear, since both halves have to match anyway, but now it's extended to cover dragon-nagas and cactus-nagas and sperm-nagas, instead of relegating them to draconcopode.

pleaseletmein said:
Personally I think nagas/lamias should be considered a subtype of taur, feral lower half y'know.

nagas and lamia are more like satyrs and merfolk, 1/2 humanoid/anthro + 1/2 feral. taurs are like 1/2 humanoid/anthro + 3/4 feral.

fifteen said:
I specifically didn't make any similar subtags for lamia because of how messy *taur can be in that regard, since it's never clear whether that species qualifier applies to the bottom part, the top part or both. fox_taur usually covers both, but equine_taur only targets the bottom (but horse_taur targets both) and humanoid_taur only covers the top part. In that regard, naga is pretty clear, since both halves have to match anyway, but now it's extended to cover dragon-nagas and cactus-nagas and sperm-nagas, instead of relegating them to draconcopode.

I don't think dragon_naga, or any other *_naga tag is necessary either.
I mean, they're nagas, though. there is no split, they're the same species on the top and bottom if they weren't they'd be lamia. I feel like these should all just be tagged naga* + species, I don't see a reason to have hybridized tags for these.

EDIT: I meant naga + species

dba_afish said:
I feel like these should all just be tagged lamia + species, I don't see a reason to have hybridized tags for these.

On lamia, I agree, there would be no point in introducing sub-tags for this. For naga, there were worries of diluting the snake tag with non-snake stuff (see topic #26786), and it wasn't any harder to introduce subtags for the common cases. It's my fault these aren't properly populated, though. I feel like we wouldn't be having this conversation if snake_naga had 5800 posts under it as it should instead of the 20 it has now.

EDIT: Also, naga doesn't imply snake anymore, and snake_naga was intended to clean that up.