I am friends with this married couple, and their grandchild. This grandchild was sexually abused by her father, and abandoned by her parents, and she lives with her grandparents at all times now. But, I know one of her friends, who tends to be very considerate of her sexual history, and stays concerned for her. The other day, he spoke to me and told me that recently, the poor girl lost her virginity, consentually. She's underage, and I'm of course going to let her grandparents know soon. She also has friends with benefits, which is probably not healthy as well. She's 15, and when I spoke to her about it, she described it as "a step towards healing". I don't quite know what to do about it all, but I know at least someone here can help me understand what i should do. After all, well. It's e621, amirit? I was raped at a young age, and personally I find it quite unhealthy, but hey, this could just be an issue with me, I don't know. I probably sound like a mom or some shit asking this, but hey man, man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

I don't even know if there's anything I SHOULD do. Maybe the best thing to do is to do nothing and let the girl learn on her own? Apparently she used protection.

Either telling bullshit,
otherwise call the police immediately.

P.S. your name is arabic. where are you from? I could help you with ME rules, if you or the girl is living in ME.

I live in america, and actually I'm caucasian lol. The name is a reference to a video by Jeffrey Dallas. It's so retarded that I can't help but love it xD

And good idea. I feel like a moron, I could have made an anonymous tip this whole time!

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
I live in america, and actually I'm caucasian lol. The name is a reference to a video by Jeffrey Dallas. It's so retarded that I can't help but love it xD

SIGHS... I thought finally I would manage to find a ME furry friend...

Anyway, I think the best is to tell the police.

P.S. Middle Easterns are Caucasian too friend [angry]

alirezatm said:
SIGHS... I thought finally I would manage to find a ME furry friend...

Anyway, I think the best is to tell the police.

P.S. Middle Easterns are Caucasian too friend [angry]

Well, yes, but you know what I meant.

I also hope that this thread in the forum is okay for me to post. Perhaps we can make this a post for advice on sexual and nonsexual offenses illegally commited against people here?

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
I don't even know if there's anything I SHOULD do. Maybe the best thing to do is to do nothing and let the girl learn on her own? Apparently she used protection.

NOOOPE, report it to the police. The so-called, "a step towards healing" is total bullshit. But first, check to see if the information was real.

Child sexual abuse is not to be taken lightly, it could lead to depression and a lot of problems for the kid in the future.

By America, I hope you meant the US, check this site to see what to do.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
NOOOPE, report it to the police. The so-called, "a step towards healing" is total bullshit. But first, check to see if the information was real.

Child sexual abuse is not to be taken lightly, it could lead to depression and a lot of problems for the kid in the future.

By America, I hope you meant the US, check this site to see what to do.

Thank you for the advice, but I already sent in an anonymous tip. It's a shame, what happened to her. She used to be so sweet.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
It's a shame, what happened to her. She used to be so sweet.

I think I understand what you're telling. I hate to see girls are getting more and more immoral. I mean, does things such as this happened while our grandparents where at our age? I really get sad to see a underage girl corrupted by sex stuff, though I'm neither religious nor a human-liker.

alirezatm said:
I think I understand what you're telling. I hate to see girls are getting more and more immoral. I mean, does things such as this happened while our grandparents where at our age? I really get sad to see a underage girl corrupted by sex stuff, though I'm neither religious nor a human-liker.

the kid is not being immoral. they have been sexually abused and they are probably traumatized now. and i hate to break this to you but our grandparents were not as pure as you might believe.

alirezatm said:
I think I understand what you're telling. I hate to see girls are getting more and more immoral. I mean, does things such as this happened while our grandparents where at our age? I really get sad to see a underage girl corrupted by sex stuff, though I'm neither religious nor a human-liker.

Well, I mean, I don't see it as that. Basically, a year ago, she was so sweet, and such a funny child. Now, she's got "friends with benefits" everywhere. And with her history, i just don't think it's healthy for her, mentally.

Mutisija said:
the kid is not being immoral. they have been sexually abused and they are probably traumatized now. and i hate to break this to you but our grandparents were not as pure as you might believe.

Generally said.
Walk in the main street of your town to see lots of immoral girls that only need a placard of "Ass 50,000 Rials."

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
Well, I mean, I don't see it as that. Basically, a year ago, she was so sweet, and such a funny child. Now, she's got "friends with benefits" everywhere. And with her history, i just don't think it's healthy for her, mentally.

I know what you mean.
If she got mental problems, take her to a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists won't bite.

alirezatm said:
I know what you mean.
If she got mental problems, take her to a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists won't bite.

All I can do here is advise, sadly.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
All I can do here is advise, sadly.

An honest advice can worth gold sometimes. Just be careful not to let her find out by her own that you made an anonymous tip. Either tell her openly (if the tip got forward and she seems to be OK about it) or be very careful to keep it a secret for now. There is nothing worse than trying to give some advice to a person that just found out that you are keeping a secret from her, it can have an opposite effect.

alirezatm said:
Generally said.
Walk in the main street of your town to see lots of immoral girls that only need a placard of "Ass 50,000 Rials."

a girl being sexual is not immoral.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
The other day, he spoke to me and told me that recently, the poor girl lost her virginity, consentually. She's underage, and I'm of course going to let her grandparents know soon. She also has friends with benefits, which is probably not healthy as well.

Whether or not it matches with your own moral/religious beliefs, this is actually fairly normal behavior for her age. I'm not saying that your beliefs aren't important, just that promiscuity isn't something I'd worry about from a mental health standpoint.

However, I would highly recommend you discuss purchasing condoms/birth control with her grandparents, since the biggest risk for her at this point is going to be pregnancy/STDs (also discuss her immunizations, including HPV [Gardasil], if you can remember).

She's 15, and when I spoke to her about it, she described it as "a step towards healing".

She might feel that by having "healthy sex" she can help break her own mental association with the "unhealthy sex" that she experienced at a young age.

I don't quite know what to do about it all, but I know at least someone here can help me understand what i should do.

I do think she would benefit from seeing a councilor/psychologist if she isn't already. I won't say whether or not she needs to see a psychiatrist (as this is bordering on medical advice), but you usually need to get a referral from her primary doctor in order to see one (psychiatrists are doctors, and tend to be less focussed on talk therapy).

parasprite said:
Whether or not it matches with your own moral/religious beliefs, this is actually fairly normal behavior for her age. I'm not saying that your beliefs aren't important, just that promiscuity isn't something I'd worry about from a mental health standpoint.

However, I would highly recommend you discuss purchasing condoms/birth control with her grandparents, since the biggest risk for her at this point is going to be pregnancy/STDs (also discuss her immunizations, including HPV [Gardasil], if you can remember).

She might feel that by having "healthy sex" she can help break her own mental association with the "unhealthy sex" that she experienced at a young age.

I do think she would benefit from seeing a councilor/psychologist if she isn't already. I won't say whether or not she needs to see a psychiatrist (as this is bordering on medical advice), but you usually need to get a referral from her primary doctor in order to see one (psychiatrists are doctors, and tend to be less focussed on talk therapy).

I'm actually an atheist. But besides that, it's not that I feel that it's "wrong" for her to be having sex at such a young age, it's that not only is it illegal, but it has been shown that it can have severe mental effects on children, and because, I'm concerned for her mental health. And perhaps I'm just uneducated on this topic, but really I would assume that having even more sexual intercourse with someone you don't even love at a young age after being sexually abused isn't the healthiest option of therapy.

And I know that it's normal for her age, but still. It's normal for little kids to be, to put it bluntly, stupid. However, when and if I have children, I'm of course going to try to make them as smart as they can be.

parasprite said:
Whether or not it matches with your own moral/religious beliefs, this is actually fairly normal behavior for her age. I'm not saying that your beliefs aren't important, just that promiscuity isn't something I'd worry about from a mental health standpoint.

However, I would highly recommend you discuss purchasing condoms/birth control with her grandparents, since the biggest risk for her at this point is going to be pregnancy/STDs (also discuss her immunizations, including HPV [Gardasil], if you can remember).

She might feel that by having "healthy sex" she can help break her own mental association with the "unhealthy sex" that she experienced at a young age.

I do think she would benefit from seeing a councilor/psychologist if she isn't already. I won't say whether or not she needs to see a psychiatrist (as this is bordering on medical advice), but you usually need to get a referral from her primary doctor in order to see one (psychiatrists are doctors, and tend to be less focussed on talk therapy).

She actually tells me her secrets most of the time, and confides in me. Rarely ever do I not know what to do. But, if you knew her, and what she's done, and been through, trust me, you would agree that this is not the best option for her to take.

I'm just glad that she used protection, at least.

In these situations I'm a big believer of MYOB
Actually make that for most situations

Seriously, talk with her or take her to a consultant.
It's unacceptable at this age.
Convince her to wait until 18 (21 - recommended by me) and then choose what to do.
Seriously, I learnt sex stuff at 15! She is DOING sex at 15? When I was 14 I thinked child is for every married man and woman who have a faith in God to give them a child :|

15 is a very low age, so consider every thing you are planning to do serious.

Mutisija said:
a girl being sexual is not immoral.

That's not being sexual.
You know why I'm not searching for a girlfriend? Because all girls that you find in clubs/parks/other places you meet are immorals. Moral and good-behavioured girls are sitting in their home not searching for boys and you can never find them.
That's the hard truth I accepted myself, and because of that I'm not searching girls, like my friends do.

I really don't want to come across as rude... but this is a furry porn site. The people here aren't the best people to ask as most of us are probably not psychiatrists or lawyers or sexually normal.

I advise you to call the child protection hotline and discuss your legal requirements and what is best for her. The police might only be interested is prosecuting a criminal.

alirezatm said:
I mean, does things such as this happened while our grandparents where at our age?

HAHAHA yes. Marriage laws back in your grandparents day allowed for marrying off a minor. Then she couldn't refuse sex. Also child abuse was rampant and DNA testing has proven that people regularly had affairs.

We are much more ethical today in some cases.

Edit:I think I just escaped the my textbox with my last reply. Might be good for someone to check out the link formatting

RustyTorpedo said:
In these situations I'm a big believer of MYOB
Actually make that for most situations

Yes, because when you're concerned about someone, you definitely do exactly that.

CuteCoughDeath said:
I really don't want to come across as rude... but this is a furry porn site. The people here aren't the best people to ask as most of us are probably not psychiatrists or lawyers or sexually normal.

I advise you to call the child protection hotline and discuss your legal requirements and what is best for her. The police might only be interested is prosecuting a criminal.

HAHAHA yes. Marriage laws back in your grandparents day allowed for marrying off a minor. Then she couldn't refuse sex. Also child abuse was rampant and DNA testing has proven that people regularly had affairs.

We are much more ethical today in some cases.

Edit:I think I just escaped the my textbox with my last reply. Might be good for someone to check out the link formatting

You'd be suprised.

how about you just stay out of other peoples business

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
how about you just stay out of other peoples business

Oh sure, and while I'm at it, I'll stay out of the business of some mentally retarded child being beat up on the street, and fuck that chick getting raped next door, that's all none of my business.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
how about you just stay out of other peoples business

Seriously man, it's not healthy for her, mentally, and it's illegal. She deserves help, wouldn't you agree? She can't get help if nobody knows.

It's still none of your business tho

so butt out, because it doesn't affect you

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
It's still none of your business tho

so butt out, because it doesn't affect you

No, because it affects a child. By your logic, what I'm doing doesn't affect YOU, so why don't YOU butt out?

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
No, because it affects a child. By your logic, what I'm doing doesn't affect YOU, so why don't YOU butt out?

k

If the guys are 18 or older, you're right, that's illegal. If the boys are within 2 years of her age, 13-17, there's no legal issue.

No, you being sad about her is the right thing to do.
I don't know if you had adviced the girl, but anyway, remember consultants' job is to do such things. Take her to a consultant if she disagreed with your advice, as this subject is not a joke, friend.

edidaf said:
If the guys are 18 or older, you're right, that's illegal. If the boys are within 2 years of her age, 13-17, there's no legal issue.

Actually it's still a legal issue no matter what, and what you're thinking of, is that if the other participant is within 4 years of age, they tend to have a lessened legal punishment.

This thread should really be locked

We're talking about serious IRL stuff that has legal and ethical ramifications. People seem to be fine with giving out advice that they're probably not qualified to give.

CuteCoughDeath said:
This thread should really be locked

We're talking about serious IRL stuff that has legal and ethical ramifications. People seem to be fine with giving out advice that they're probably not qualified to give.

Well, I mean, advice can always be helpful.

Did you have done anything up to now?
Advising her? Calling the police?

alirezatm said:
Did you have done anything up to now?
Advising her? Calling the police?

I've taken action, yes. And I had already had a discussion on this with her.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
I've taken action, yes. And I had already had a discussion on this with her.

What was the result? Did she accepted... or no?

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
Actually it's still a legal issue no matter what, and what you're thinking of, is that if the other participant is within 4 years of age, they tend to have a lessened legal punishment.

Depends on where you live, I suppose.
If she's fifteen, I don't see the problem. Most of the people I know lost their virginity around age of thirteen or fourteen.

Over here in Europe, age of consent ranges from 13 to 16. So it's certainly not illegal here.

Genjar said:
Depends on where you live, I suppose.
If she's fifteen, I don't see the problem. Most of the people I know lost their virginity around age of thirteen or fourteen.

Over here in Europe, age of consent ranges from 13 to 16. So it's certainly not illegal here.

You can call me stupid or absent-minded,
But I can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't can't accept sex under the age of 21.

Sometimes I want to kill myself. I can't be more open-minded.

Genjar said:
Depends on where you live, I suppose.
If she's fifteen, I don't see the problem. Most of the people I know lost their virginity around age of thirteen or fourteen.

Over here in Europe, age of consent ranges from 13 to 16. So it's certainly not illegal here.

I highly doubt that is the age of consent. Legal consent, mind you, that cannot be legally punished. If it is, well damn, for once I'm glad I live in America instead o-o

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
I highly doubt that is the age of consent. Legal consent, mind you, that cannot be legally punished. If it is, well damn, for once I'm glad I live in America instead o-o

Might be interesting to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Law

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
I highly doubt that is the age of consent. Legal consent, mind you, that cannot be legally punished. If it is, well damn, for once I'm glad I live in America instead o-o

as finnish person i can confirm that in finland legal age of consent is 16

Mutisija said:
as finnish person i can confirm that in finland legal age of consent is 16

My god.

Chessax said:
Might be interesting to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Law

Why?!

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
My god.

imo it seems pretty reasonable age. i think that its mainly because it would be pretty ridiculous to tell a 16 years old to not have sex with someone who is two years older.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
My god.

As a Swede I can confirm 15

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
Why?!

Don't ask me why, I'm only the messenger :P

Mutisija said:
imo it seems pretty reasonable age. i think that its mainly because it would be pretty ridiculous to tell a 16 years old to not have sex with someone who is two years older.

Do you realize the size of a girl that age, and the size of the baby she would have to push out if she became pregnant as a result? So many complications arise from this!

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
Do you realize the size of a girl that age, and the size of the baby she would have to push out if she became pregnant as a result? So many complications arise from this!

birth control exists. also 16 years olds are not that small and young. and unlike in certain places, in finland the sex ed is really good and its started when kids are like 12. so every 16 years old knows how to use birth control and what is supposed to be done if birth control fails. also abort is not banned and caesarean section is a thing.

Mutisija said:
birth control exists. also 16 years olds are not that small and young. and unlike in certain places, in finland the sex ed is really good and its started when kids are like 12. so every 16 years old knows how to use birth control and what is supposed to be done if birth control fails. also abort is not banned and caesarean section is a thing.

Well, I must say that's quite a good arsenal of help for unwanted pregnancy and sex ed. I still don't really agree with that whole sex at 16 thing, but eh, it doesn't matter, I don't have to, I play no part in it.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
My god.

age of consent 16 (31): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia

15 year olds have sex, leave gramps and cops out of it.

How is this thread still going?

TheGreatWolfgang said:
How is this thread still going?

It has turned to first sex age thread. The topic I MOST HATE to discuss
(Even I hate it more than talking of existence of God)

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
Seriously man, it's not healthy for her, mentally, and it's illegal. She deserves help, wouldn't you agree? She can't get help if nobody knows.

I think that the discussion of the age of consent is not the point. Let's imagine that she is 22 and she is having sex just to escape the fact that she was abused as a child. If you felt something is wrong and she is having an unhealthy relationship you can always choose to act if you are truly her friend.

Now back to the 15 years young girl. Did she received proper help when she abused? Is she doing sex just to "heal herself"? If you think something is wrong by all means do something. In this case the law is just another tool you can use, even if she just one day younger than the age of consent.

Is hard to give specific advice without knowing the details. You are the only one here that know these people so you are really the best person to judge this.

blackest_vulture said:
I think that the discussion of the age of consent is not the point. Let's imagine that she is 22 and she is having sex just to escape the fact that she was abused as a child. If you felt something is wrong and she is having an unhealthy relationship you can always choose to act if you are truly her friend.

Now back to the 15 years young girl. Did she received proper help when she abused? Is she doing sex just to "heal herself"? If you think something is wrong by all means do something. In this case the law is just another tool you can use, even if she just one day younger than the age of consent.

Is hard to give specific advice without knowing the details. You are the only one here that know these people so you are really the best person to judge this.

If she were 22 I would still kiiiiinda view it as unhealthy, but not enough to do anything other than make sure she knows what she's getting herself into, because at that point she would be an adult. She just changed so drastically in such a short amount of time after her incident with almost trying to cut herself with kitchen knives. I worry for her, you know?

My point is, if you are so worried about her, you should try do something regardless of the age of consent, otherwise you won't forgive yourself if something happens.

blackest_vulture said:
My point is, if you are so worried about her, you should try do something regardless of the age of consent, otherwise you won't forgive yourself if something happens.

That's why I did what I did. I fear, however, that it won't really do anything, nobody will take action, etc. Then again, it's only been a day or so.

The earlier in history you go the earlier people got married and had kids. It's more abnormal to wait to your 20s than it was to get hitched before that. Last I heard the birth defect rates are lowest for mothers around 14-15. Once you're sexually mature your body is ready for it and younger people recover faster and can handle more physically than older people.

Can you guys explain why one day before being 18 or 21 makes such a difference in your mind as to if you should have sex or not? I don't understand that. How does the person change between those days that's so much different from their change two days before?

I don't know the person we're talking about but sex and love aren't the same thing. For some people that's fine, for others they can't separate the two. Sex can be about self control. You can gain strength from doing something you used to be terrified of doing. An example being going swimming after you get over your fear of the water or going sky diving after being afraid of heights. Each jump makes you stronger by boosting your self confidence.

I really hope you talked with her and thought everything through before going to the police. There's no telling what they might do and she'll have no say in the matter. If her mates were underage, the police can charge all of them for raping each other. They do that successfully and even if everyone vouches for each other they all end up labeled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. She saying she doesn't want to press changes means nothing as these lawsuits are brought by the state or government. Oh, they'll all be charged as adults too because they're close enough to 18. Think about that for a moment. Mature enough to be charged as adults but not mature enough to make adult decisions?

Even if the police don't bring charges against her, legal battles do bring stable, grown adults down to suicide. Any legal proceedings will be extremely stressful in the least. I was questioned once as a kid by the police and that was far, far more traumatizing and long lasting than the actual event that happened. Can you notice from the tone of my post that I still don't trust them decades after they tried to pin something on me? If she believes the sex was consensual, and you shouldn't impose your judgement on that because you weren't there, and anyone gets in trouble because of this, she might carry the guilt around for the rest of her life. Not guilt of having sex, but the guilt of accidentally hurting someone else.

If I was in your place, I would have made sure she knew she could count on me for whatever whenever and that it wouldn't bother me and that I valued her. As someone who's attempted suicide twice, having someone I could lean would be way better than having a person I thought I could trust turn on me by disclosing my secrets to counselors, family members, or the police. That would case trust issues for the rest of my life.

If you want to discourage someone from sex, push the STDs not the unwanted pregnancies. Whatever your beliefs, pregnancies can always be terminated. Some STDs are life long and most of the others look disgusting.

There is little you can do against the deadbeat father unless the daughter tells law enforcement that he raped her.

And even then, very little may happen...other than a very long legal battle. My adopted cousin was raped by this utterly soulless motherfucker (while she was still a toddler) and he was put in bars for only 10 and some change amount of years. That's the price for ruining a life in this country apparently. I remember the last time she stayed at my house (she's in her 20s and married now) she would sit up in her bed every time I walked around the house late at night. Could never sleep & never felt safe anymore.

I don't know a lot about the sexual tendencies of someone who was raped as a child, especially at the age of 15. Does she feel safe alone? Is she able to sleep most nights? That's what I would primarily care about.

Most importantly, no reputable person in the legal field would give legal advice to random people on the internet. Even on Avvo every lawyer tells you to call for an actual consultation. What they answer for questions is 99% very general & broad stuff.

Dragonlayer said:
Even on Avvo every lawyer tells you to call for an actual consultation. What they answer for questions is 99% very general & broad stuff.

That's just cover your ass protection and not doing it for free.

Lance_Armstrong said:
That's just cover your ass protection and not doing it for free.

Of course. And yes, it is a business.

Dragonlayer said:
There is little you can do against the deadbeat father unless the daughter tells law enforcement that he raped her.

And even then, very little may happen...other than a very long legal battle. My adopted cousin was raped by this utterly soulless motherfucker (while she was still a toddler) and he was put in bars for only 10 and some change amount of years. That's the price for ruining a life in this country apparently. I remember the last time she stayed at my house (she's in her 20s and married now) she would sit up in her bed every time I walked around the house late at night. Could never sleep & never felt safe anymore.

I don't know a lot about the sexual tendencies of someone who was raped as a child, especially at the age of 15. Does she feel safe alone? Is she able to sleep most nights? That's what I would primarily care about.

Most importantly, no reputable person in the legal field would give legal advice to random people on the internet. Even on Avvo every lawyer tells you to call for an actual consultation. What they answer for questions is 99% very general & broad stuff.

He was already prosecuted, i believe.

mrox said:
The earlier in history you go the earlier people got married and had kids. It's more abnormal to wait to your 20s than it was to get hitched before that. Last I heard the birth defect rates are lowest for mothers around 14-15. Once you're sexually mature your body is ready for it and younger people recover faster and can handle more physically than older people.

Can you guys explain why one day before being 18 or 21 makes such a difference in your mind as to if you should have sex or not? I don't understand that. How does the person change between those days that's so much different from their change two days before?

I don't know the person we're talking about but sex and love aren't the same thing. For some people that's fine, for others they can't separate the two. Sex can be about self control. You can gain strength from doing something you used to be terrified of doing. An example being going swimming after you get over your fear of the water or going sky diving after being afraid of heights. Each jump makes you stronger by boosting your self confidence.

I really hope you talked with her and thought everything through before going to the police. There's no telling what they might do and she'll have no say in the matter. If her mates were underage, the police can charge all of them for raping each other. They do that successfully and even if everyone vouches for each other they all end up labeled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. She saying she doesn't want to press changes means nothing as these lawsuits are brought by the state or government. Oh, they'll all be charged as adults too because they're close enough to 18. Think about that for a moment. Mature enough to be charged as adults but not mature enough to make adult decisions?

Even if the police don't bring charges against her, legal battles do bring stable, grown adults down to suicide. Any legal proceedings will be extremely stressful in the least. I was questioned once as a kid by the police and that was far, far more traumatizing and long lasting than the actual event that happened. Can you notice from the tone of my post that I still don't trust them decades after they tried to pin something on me? If she believes the sex was consensual, and you shouldn't impose your judgement on that because you weren't there, and anyone gets in trouble because of this, she might carry the guilt around for the rest of her life. Not guilt of having sex, but the guilt of accidentally hurting someone else.

If I was in your place, I would have made sure she knew she could count on me for whatever whenever and that it wouldn't bother me and that I valued her. As someone who's attempted suicide twice, having someone I could lean would be way better than having a person I thought I could trust turn on me by disclosing my secrets to counselors, family members, or the police. That would case trust issues for the rest of my life.

If you want to discourage someone from sex, push the STDs not the unwanted pregnancies. Whatever your beliefs, pregnancies can always be terminated. Some STDs are life long and most of the others look disgusting.

To be honest, she seems to have safe sex in mind, which is a lot better than unsafe sex. However, it's still illegal, you can put it any way you want but where she lives it's illegal.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
it's still illegal, you can put it any way you want but where she lives it's illegal.

Fine, but it sounds like it was a victimless crime. Is it really worth it to risk destroying the rest of their lives? Sex offenders don't get second chances. Some cities force them to live under bridges as those are the only places far enough away from schools or parks. Have you turned yourself in for viewing this site? Foxes only live to around 14 years so every exposed fox on this site is underage. People have gone to jail for underage artwork.

I also want to point out that many parents and guardians like to think of their kids as little boys or girls until they suddenly one day see that they're all grown up. In reality the kids saw themselves growing up the whole time. Be careful of seeing what you want to see and not what's actually there. Did her personality really suddenly change from a sweet innocent girl or did your view of her that way didn't want to see her changing.

I don't have any other points. You can have the last word.

mrox said:
People have gone to jail for underage artwork.

[citation needed]

Ok, apparently the cases I heard of weren't in the US but there are some:

2012 Missouri case
In October 2012, after being reported August 2011 by his wife, a 36-year-old man named Christian Bee in Monett, Missouri entered a plea bargain to "possession of cartoons depicting child pornography", with the US attorney's office for the Western District of Missouri recommending a 3-year prison sentence without parole. The office in conjunction with the Southwest Missouri Cyber Crimes Task Force argued that the "Incest Comics" on Bee's computer "clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value".[73][74][75]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States

However much of furry porn is considered obscene by the general population and that's enough in many states. The point being obscene porn is technically illegal in some states so blindly following the law requires condemning a lot of people visiting this site. It doesn't matter that most of these laws get overturned, the acts are still illegal until the laws are thrown out.

The US has crazy sex laws. Until 2008 it was technically illegal to have more than 6 dildos in Texas. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/feb/09/alcee-hastings/florida-democrat-texas-law-says-women-dildos/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity

mrox said:
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yeah, last i checked (which wasn't that long ago since a comment on youtube got my curiosity >.>), it partly depends on what state you live in here in the US. well, regarding anything falling under "cartoon" (as in, not real child pornography, no actual photographs or anything like that. though i could be mistaken, no expert on the topic. anyone could tell you that posession of real cp would get you into major trouble just about anywhere.) porn. as for furry porn, i'm not sure how that fits into our laws tbh though again, it may depend on which state you live in. (this is again considering the whole cp topic or in this case, cubs)

"The US has crazy sex laws. Until 2008 it was technically illegal to have more than 6 dildos in Texas. "

dude...i've seen a show on tv before about some strange laws we've had/still have here in the US. that texas one sounds strange but i doubt it's anywhere near the strangest one. in fact, i'm pretty sure every country ever has had some pretty wtf or wth type of laws at some point or another.

speaking of crazy, if i may go off topic for just a moment. you want crazy? look at this yeah...so much for "higher learning", huh? :/ pretty sure, by now, i'm fine with my GED. the more i look into it the less and less appealing ANY college looks to me. never ending debt, most of the money (well, in some cases) going to the college's ad funding, and crap courses like those? nope, not happening, i'd rather remain intelligent and not ruin my future.

edit: this avatar pic, it speaks not just for the horrors of the internet and it's never ending wtf'ery but also of some things irl.

Speaking of stupid sex laws, it's illegal to be in more than 1 sex position(excluding missionary) when having sex in Washington, DC.

The FBI's probably up in your ceiling right now.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
Speaking of stupid sex laws, it's illegal to be in more than 1 sex position(excluding missionary) when having sex in Washington, DC.

Been there and don't worry, no one pays attention to any laws in DC anyway. Except for buying Metro tickets.