I would like to propose a new idea, as many people feel restricted in their ability to freely and explicitly express themselves in the comments on posts. Currently, the guidelines only allow for mild and controlled appreciation of the artwork, in order not to offend the original idea of the artist regarding their personal characters. Therefore, I would like to suggest the possibility for artists who enjoy receiving all kinds of appreciation and fantasies about the characters in their artworks to have a small checkbox where they can declare a non-sensitivity statement. This would allow others to express explicit comments or perverse fantasies, as long as they adhere to other guidelines, such as not offending other users, trolling, etc.
In order to hide sensitive comments from the general e621 public, devs could just make an option in the settings to activate the explicit comment visibility function, where registered user who are willing to see more free and explicit comments under artists who declared that their are not offended by any kind of freedom of speech or explicit appreciation or fantasies, can actually enjoy this kind of comments without disturbing or distressing the general e621 public by activating the specific feature.
those who are aware that they are going beyond the standard guidelines with their comments, can check the hypothetical explicit box next to send before posting the comment, in order to make it invisible to the general e621 public, but make it visible only to those who want really see it. I understand why you're all a little fearful of the implications of my proposal. in fact you are absolutely right, the person who shares a work of art does not always coincide with the actual artist who created it. I think we could find a very simple way to solve this problem too. simply, only verified and official artists can make, if they wish, an official declaration of non-sensitivity to explicit comments on their works of art that they wish. obviously anyone who is not a verified artist does not even have the possibility to make such declarations as he does not own original works of art.

I'd be against that for two reasons:
1. I don't want to read those kind of messages. There are other sites where one can show their appreciation in that way.
2. Likely more work for moderators and janitors who suddenly have to read through roleplays and the likes.

I personally like the comment culture here and would strongly prefer to keep it. Nothing against artists who want to read stuff like this, but this isn't the place nor should it ever be.

You have to also take into account whoever will read those comments. Unless blocking users was made super convenient, I don't think this has a chance of being implemented.

*Original post of this thread updated*

anicebee said:
You have to also take into account whoever will read those comments. Unless blocking users was made super convenient, I don't think this has a chance of being implemented.

I updated my first comment of this thread

This sounds like way more work than it's really worth.

regsmutt said:
This sounds like way more work than it's really worth.

I do not have the devs skills to evaluate the difficulty or the quantity of the work which is needed to implement this feature, but I do think that it is really worth it considering all the bans made by moderators towards comments which went beyond the first guideline (explicit comment) and not beyond other guidelines (troll, spam, insulting others, illegal link material etc.)

artexplorer said:
I do not have the devs skills to evaluate the difficulty or the quantity of the work which is needed to implement this feature, but I do think that it is really worth it considering all the bans made by moderators towards comments which went beyond the first guideline (explicit comment) and not beyond other guidelines (troll, spam, insulting others, illegal link material etc.)

It's not just the development work- people would have to pay attention to which comments are allowed on which images (good luck with that) flag their own comments (lol lmao good luck with that) and people would ALSO need to adjust their comment settings to see or block these comments. The people who make these comments are already unaware of/don't care about the single simple rule of not audibly fapping in the comments why would they care about or pay attention to a more complicated rule set.

regsmutt said:
It's not just the development work- people would have to pay attention to which comments are allowed on which images (good luck with that) flag their own comments (lol lmao good luck with that) and people would ALSO need to adjust their comment settings to see or block these comments. The people who make these comments are already unaware of/don't care about the single simple rule of not audibly fapping in the comments why the fuck would they care about or pay attention to a more complicated rule set.

Please don't be rude with me.
I just proposed a new idea in order to make even more happy a part of the e621 public.
I don't think the problem you pointed out are real.
1) regarding the noticeability of the Non-Sensitivity Declaration statement which is promulgated by the artist himself, e621 will still work as usual, nothing would really change. E621 users and guests who visit a post which is "Non-Sensitive declared" don't even seed the flag, because it is visibile only to "explicit content interested" users.
2) there is absolutely zero risk of increasing moderators work, on the contrary, moderators work will decrease. Many comments get banned because there is no current space for explicit comments. There is also no clear boundary between what is considered explicit or not. By implementing this feature in the comment text box you can reduce moderators work and be sure of zero risk of warning and banning of your comments because you are not exposing that comment to a sensitive audience.
It is indeed true that some users don't even read the guidelines, but the implementation of this feature is impossible to notice for any registered user because there will be an hypothetical sensitive/safe switch next to the send button, which is impossible not to see. I do know that this may appear as somehow complicated, but I think it could work quite well, maybe even very smoothly. But if you do have a Better formula of this idea, which is very ethical solid and would really make a part of the e621 community very happy (I think) , please feel free to share! I honestly just made up some sort of graphic and behavioral and rule change hypothesis about the site but I am not a dev, so I just pointed out this limitation of the freedom of speech and expression.

Unfortunately this just seems like it'd be too complicated to implement and even more complicated for the average user to figure out.

The solution right now, is this: if you want to fap and roleplay in the comments, go to rule34. If you're not satisfied with that, maybe you can figure out how to make some sort of browser extension that adds a second horny comments section that only people with the extension can see. Otherwise I don't see this feature having a snowball's chance in hell of being approved by most users who REALLY don't want roleplayers on this site.

lizarian said:
Unfortunately this just seems like it'd be too complicated to implement and even more complicated for the average user to figure out.

The solution right now, is this: if you want to fap and roleplay in the comments, go to rule34. If you're not satisfied with that, maybe you can figure out how to make some sort of browser extension that adds a second horny comments section that only people with the extension can see. Otherwise I don't see this feature having a snowball's chance in hell of being approved by most users who REALLY don't want roleplayers on this site.

Sorry, I know I may sound stupid or even trolling, but I honestly don't know what you exactly mean by roleplaying in the comments. I am just talking about the possibility to increase the freedom of expression of your own desidera and fantasies in order to make a solid part of the e621 community happier.
On the other hand, I do recognize that my solution may sound a bit complicated, but only devs can confirm or disconfirm this. We can't exclude devs are able to come up with some sort of smoother and simpler solution.
The main problem, which is not a problem for many e621 users, is, as I previously said, the limitation of expression, so I think there is an ethical reason for at least give some consideration and attention to this hypothesis, in the hope that devs will figure out a better solution.
E621 content are way more better that any other furry imageboad (in my opinion) in terms of quality and usability. So it would be a pity to being not able to make an appreciation about a sexy character or a nsfw artwork because the content sounds "too much explicit".
That's just my personal opinion

artexplorer said:
Please don't be rude with me.
I just proposed a new idea in order to make even more happy a part of the e621 public.
I don't think the problem you pointed out are real.
1) regarding the noticeability of the Non-Sensitivity Declaration statement which is promulgated by the artist himself, e621 will still work as usual, nothing would really change. E621 users and guests who visit a post which is "Non-Sensitive declared" don't even seed the flag, because it is visibile only to "explicit content interested" users.
2) there is absolutely zero risk of increasing moderators work, on the contrary, moderators work will decrease. Many comments get banned because there is no current space for explicit comments. There is also no clear boundary between what is considered explicit or not. By implementing this feature in the comment text box you can reduce moderators work and be sure of zero risk of warning and banning of your comments because you are not exposing that comment to a sensitive audience.
It is indeed true that some users don't even read the guidelines, but the implementation of this feature is impossible to notice for any registered user because there will be an hypothetical sensitive/safe switch next to the send button, which is impossible not to see. I do know that this may appear as somehow complicated, but I think it could work quite well, maybe even very smoothly. But if you do have a Better formula of this idea, which is very ethical solid and would really make a part of the e621 community very happy (I think) , please feel free to share! I honestly just made up some sort of graphic and behavioral and rule change hypothesis about the site but I am not a dev, so I just pointed out this limitation of the freedom of speech and expression.

Sorry for getting rude there. On a re-read it came off as significantly more aggro than I intended.

I have though yet to see a similar system really work on any website- people just flag stuff if they feel like it, or they think their comments/content are an exception/grey area (when they aren't). In this instance there's the added confusion of these comments only being allowed on certain images- people encountering this might assume that 'horny comments allowed' on certain images means they're allowed without flagging their comments rather than they're only allowed WITH flagging.

Honestly though, you'd just be better off using a website (or discord, or telegram) that allows those comments instead of trying to figure out a way to make it work on website that doesn't want them.

artexplorer said:
Sorry, I know I may sound stupid or even trolling, but I honestly don't know what you exactly mean by roleplaying in the comments.

There used to be a problem where people would do play-by-post RPs in the comments, which not only makes users feel uncomfortable and alienated but also floods the comment section with posts only tangentially related to the actual post.

Also, remember: around here, the uploader usually is not the artist. People like me who only upload things either by or for ourselves are the exception, not the rule. This means with the system you're proposing, the artist usually won't have any say in the matter.

lendrimujina said:
There used to be a problem where people would do play-by-post RPs in the comments, which not only makes users feel uncomfortable and alienated but also floods the comment section with posts only tangentially related to the actual post.

Also, remember: around here, the uploader usually is not the artist. People like me who only upload things either by or for ourselves are the exception, not the rule. This means with the system you're proposing, the artist usually won't have any say in the matter.

Thank you for your very kind, clear and respectful response. I updated the main comment of this thread :)

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society if we let random furries post their ten-paragraph goon fics on yourdigimongirl posts

Self-moderation online, even on smaller scales like
judging whether your comment is A or B doesn't turn out
well, Dood.

Plus I can totally see a future where peeps want there
to only be one comment section. Seeing the new comment
section as kind of a pit of biz and the first comment section
as the place they want to post, so peeps "See" what they have
to say.

Like giving a mouse a cookie, having a separate comment section
could be used as a foot in the door for other massive changes that
could break the vibe here. I'm not saying changes can never be made,
Just that every change should be made carefully.

Every Change, especially with big sites like e6,
comes with knock-on effects.

We can't see the future but, we should practice foresight when we can, Dood!
╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
Self-moderation online, even on smaller scales like
judging whether your comment is A or B doesn't turn out
well, Dood.

Plus I can totally see a future where peeps want there
to only be one comment section. Seeing the new comment
section as kind of a pit of biz and the first comment section
as the place they want to post, so peeps "See" what they have
to say.

Like giving a mouse a cookie, having a separate comment section
could be used as a foot in the door for other massive changes that
could break the vibe here. I'm not saying changes can never be made,
Just that every change should be made carefully.

Every Change, especially big sites like e6,
comes with knock-on effects.

We can't see the future but, we should practice foresight when we can, Dood!
╹‿╹)

I totally agree with your analysis.
But I strongly support the idea that we are not responsabile and should not feel nor even be responsible as a imageboad community to the changes (good or bad) that happens outside of this community.
Every website has his rights that are decided on a majority basis (that's democracy) just like every macro liberal community has his laws that are constantly updated in order to share the principles of the local culture, which is always in movement.
That said, I don't see any bad implication of my proposal on increasing freedom of expression inside a safe micro-context which is monitored inside by moderators inside a micro-community of people who do intend to see imageboad stuff (people all over the world who get happier by seeing furry art) (guests infact can't see this micro-context which is freer in terms of speech and expression, only registered user can do so once they decided to consensually activate the specific function)
If we will get a solid certainty that nobody is going to get offended by this new freedom implemented in a responsable way (responsibility is and should be limited to what e621 is actually able to directly controll, not to what could happen on a big scale worldwide) then I think it would be just a matter of analysis and coding skills unless we do admit that we don't share my proposal on an ethical basis.

artexplorer said:
I totally agree with your analysis.
But I strongly support the idea that we are not responsabile and should not feel nor even be responsible as a imageboad community to the changes (good or bad) that happens outside of this community.
Every website has his rights that are decided on a majority basis (that's democracy) just like every macro liberal community has his laws that are constantly updated in order to share the principles of the local culture, which is always in movement.
That said, I don't see any bad implication of my proposal on increasing freedom of expression inside a safe micro-context which is monitored inside by moderators inside a micro-community of people who do intend to see imageboad stuff (people all over the world who get happier by seeing furry art) (guests infact can't see this micro-context which is freer in terms of speech and expression, only registered user can do so once they decided to consensually activate the specific function)
If we will get a solid certainty that nobody is going to get offended by this new freedom implemented in a responsable way (responsibility is and should be limited to what e621 is actually able to directly controll, not to what could happen on a big scale worldwide) then I think it would be just a matter of analysis and coding skills unless we do admit that we don't share my proposal on an ethical basis.

Hold on a sec, m8, We can't just brush aside the logistics here
to focus on how the change would make someone feel.
If we could, I'd be making animations in the blink of an eye,
Dood. T‿T)

The bottom line is that this suggestion would just make another
comment section for the mods to moderate. And they aren't supplied
with nearly enough Swords, Shields, and Healing Potions to fight a
Super Boss made up of Inappropriate Comments^TM
to make sure nothing else is loose in there
Pizzeria Simulator Style, Dood
(Doxxing, Threatening, etc.)

One way or another, a peep is gonna have to look through all of
something that breaks the flow around here in general. Having a
rule against comments like that as a whole is pretty practical. No
MLM's (Multi-Layer Modding) needed, Dood
╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
Hold on a sec, m8, We can't just brush aside the logistics here
to focus on how the change would make someone feel.
If we could, I'd be making animations in the blink of an eye,
Dood. T‿T)

The bottom line is that this suggestion would just make another
comment section for the mods to moderate. And they aren't supplied
with nearly enough Swords, Shields, and Healing Potions to fight a
Super Boss made up of Inappropriate Comments^TM
to make sure nothing else is loose in there
Pizzeria Simulator Style, Dood
(Doxxing, Threatening, etc.)

One way or another, a peep is gonna have to look through all of
something that breaks the flow around here in general. Having a
rule against comments like that as a whole is pretty practical. No
MLM's (Multi-Layer Modding) needed, Dood
╹‿╹)

I am no one to say what you developers should do. In fact, I am infinitely grateful for your gift to humanity of this precious treasure of furry art. Observing the changes in your speeches and responses, it seems to me that the only real obstacle to overcome to achieve the implementation of this proposal lies in a question of the amount of work that you assume is additional. I do not have the technical skills of developers to understand or estimate how much effort is required to monitor some specific comments, certainly, the number of comments in general would not increase or at least should not differ significantly, furthermore, as regards the micro community interested in commenting more freely, as you already know better than me, the floods of messages and spam can be automatically filtered with some simple algorithms, only trolls would remain, who can easily be reported by other users. all the rest of the comments should not even be read or given much attention, as it would disappear, within this specific context, an entire principle of the guidelines that is instead well present in the global e621 community, which is, as already said several times, the restrictions on freedom of speech. as for insults or teasing of other users, those are also easily identifiable, as you already know, in the same way you identify this type of comments nowadays. one less rule means less moderation work to do. one more space to express oneself freely means fewer comments to report. therefore, at least in theory, this argument of the excessive work in terms of moderation of comments, against the application of my proposal does not exist.

E621 is a private platform, and as such freedom of speech is not a factor here. Most of our staff do not want to read your fantasies or how you salivate over characters. Pushing this all off into a corner doesn't remove any moderation burden, we'd still need to moderate those commands in addition to needing to maintain two distinct sets of rules which only apply in certain situations. We also don't have development time to spare for something like this. And finally, as mentioned previously most of our moderation team is not willing to moderate lascivious comments.