I honestly see no reason for the existence of oc_pony.

Why should it exist?

720p said:
I honestly see no reason for the existence of oc_pony.

Why should it exist?

my guess someone thought they needed to display that the pony in the picture was an original character. its like someone posting in the comments "ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL" or like a few tags ive had to remove such as original_character or OC or the infamous ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL tag..which was just silly... but gota agree...i dont think it should be up, OC pony's and stuff just need a char:nameofcharacter tag to be considered Original.

720p said:
I honestly see no reason for the existence of oc_pony.

Why should it exist?

In forum #44264 there was stated that oc ponies shouldn't have mlp tag. In that case oc_pony tag would be useful to stop annoying whining of some people who don't like anything related to mlp.

anomaly said:
In forum #44264 there was stated that oc ponies shouldn't have mlp tag. In that case oc_pony tag would be useful to stop annoying whining of some people who don't like anything related to mlp.

That's actually a good reason to keep it. I was going to come in here and say it should be aliased to invalid_tag, as it strikes me as a way to say an image is mlp even when it really isn't, simply because it's a horse in the MLP animation style.

Nevermind, though. I think anything with oc_pony on it should most definitely not have any MLP tag, since that's a show and original characters are certainly not in it, but the tag itself should be kept so that the people who wig out at anything pony-ish can keep their blacklists solid.

we never said OC's dont get the mlp tag. It's the fim tag they don't get.

ippiki_ookami said:
we never said OC's dont get the mlp tag. It's the fim tag they don't get.

Ummm.... okay...? Then what about Kald response in that forum thread I've mentioned?

I'm not sure why it isn't tagged MLP, as it should be. I believe the friendship_is_magic is only relegated to characters from the show though.

Also, been a while.

No, it shouldn't.

Like Ippiki said in the comments, style doesn't make a character relate to a series, wether it is MLP, Sonic, Looney Tunes, or whatever.

Series are trademarks, and all characters of a series are trademarked. This is a sufficient reason to NOT relate to a serie a fan-made character.

Also FYI, cutie marks are trademark of hasbro.

anomaly said:
Ummm.... okay...? Then what about Kald response in that forum thread I've mentioned?

He's referring to the image that was being discussed in that topic. It was tagged neither mlp nor fim because there was no evidence in the image tying it to the series or show.

ippiki_ookami said:
He's referring to the image that was being discussed in that topic. It was tagged neither mlp nor fim because there was no evidence in the image tying it to the series or show.

Okay, I must have misremembered what was said there. So it would be okay to say that there was stated that not all oc ponies must have mlp tag. In that case oc_pony tag would be useful to some people who don't like anything what has even possibility to be related to mlp?

ippiki_ookami said:
we never said OC's dont get the mlp tag. It's the fim tag they don't get.

This right here, they aren't from fim, but they are certainly in the styling of mlp and as such need the tag for blacklists/searches.

Original_character/oc_pony is on there because a lot of people don't like seeing them and just having them tagged as a character makes it impossible to distinguish between original characters and the three generations before fim

Also, to my understanding anyway, all oc ponies in the styling of mlp need the tag, as mlp is an umbrella term for fim, oc's and the older generations.

So I've got food for thought for those who think we should keep the oc_pony tag and not replace it with original_character and mlp:

There are more characters in the show than just ponies. Spike the dragon, for example. Discord the draconequus.
This means that an original character would not necessarily have to be a pony in order to be related to MLP:FiM. Would we have to start bringing in extra tags to cover original characters based off of them, like oc_dragon and oc_draconequus?

Example of an oc dragon

Riversyde said:
So I've got food for thought for those who think we should keep the oc_pony tag and not replace it with original_character and mlp:

There are more characters in the show than just ponies. Spike the dragon, for example. Discord the draconequus.
This means that an original character would not necessarily have to be a pony in order to be related to MLP:FiM. Would we have to start bringing in extra tags to cover original characters based off of them, like oc_dragon and oc_draconequus?

Example of an oc dragon

This is exactly what I was leaning towards when writing the wiki and I think oc_pony should be aliased to original_character for just such reasons.

Only small question is, are we going to have original_character be exclusively for mlp? If yes then I'll reword the wiki to reflect that. If no then it should imply mlp.

I think if we're going that direction, it should not be used exclusively for MLP. People have original Sonic or Pokemon characters, right?

RedOctober said:
I think if we're going that direction, it should not be used exclusively for MLP. People have original Sonic or Pokemon characters, right?

Well when I wrote the wiki, I kinda left it open to be used for any franchise, but I'm asking if that's what everyone wants to do or if everyone wants it to be just for mlp.

I feel the need to bring up the original_the_character tag. It seems relevant to the topic at hand.

oc pony aliased to original character.

720p said:
I honestly see no reason for the existence of oc_pony.

Why should it exist?

So we can blacklist it.

Kebraxis said:
So we can blacklist it.

Well, seeing as the tag has been aliased away for 8 days now, you can blacklist "my_little_pony original_character" (all on one line). Assuming the post was properly tagged to begin with, that will prevent you from seeing it.

Sorry for necrobump, but frankly, is there any reason why we can't just have a fim_style (and *_style) tag instead? Of course it would involve massive cleaning up, but it's frankly probably better this way. It would also greatly improve searching, since there're certainly instances where fim isn't drawn in fim style, and characters from other series drawn in fim style, and etc.

Original character is a really clunky device anyway. Because I'd then have to ask: what makes a character an original character? Would the Lauren Faust pony be considered an original character? How about when a character started off as an original character but for whatever reason somehow gets introduced into the series proper? (fan megaman submissions to be selected for actual usage in megaman games, for instance) How about a character that normally isn't drawn like a specific style, but just so happens to be drawn in fim style at one time? How about a character from a different series but just so happens to be drawn in a different style?

Original_character should not exist as a tag, for the reasons you mentioned (also that nearly anything could be interpreted as an original character, especially fursonas) but considering how polarizing OC's are, allowing people to blacklist them is too important to bend to logic on this one. I'm not 100% opposed to this fim_style tag, but it would need to be clearly defined to avoid abuse and mistagging.

ippiki_ookami said:
Original_character should not exist as a tag, for the reasons you mentioned (also that nearly anything could be interpreted as an original character, especially fursonas) but considering how polarizing OC's are, allowing people to blacklist them is too important to bend to logic on this one. I'm not 100% opposed to this fim_style tag, but it would need to be clearly defined to avoid abuse and mistagging.

Admittedly it's hard to clearly define a style, because of two main reasons: firstly that style is a VERY technical thing, and that minor variations shouldn't immediately negate the style aspect (aka lots of determining factors, but not too strictly applied). Of course though, style is the main defining factor which one can even tell that a character belongs to a certain aspect, even when many things are altered, and it is usually fairly easy to tell when something is done in a specific style (else one wouldn't be able to tell an OC character by itself is an "OC" to begin with), even if in MLP's case, there needs to be a distinction between mlp_(style) and fim_(style) (where fim_(style) would imply mlp_(style). It would also allow easier searching for MLP/FIM characters NOT drawn in an mlp/fim style.

Also random snark, but derived_character would probably be a more accurate tag name.