I'm going through the fnaf tags to add to my favs. And I keep running into a lot of these kind of models.
post #1615654 post #1604756 post #1604760 post #2711051 post #2794227
Listen, idk who made it, but some of these artists are using these Bonnie, Freddy (etc.) models and they need to be tagged.
Please tag them for goodness sake.

Tag them so I can add them to my BLACKLIST
These models are friggin ugly as hell!
And there's 100s of them, I'm ending up blacklisting artists who use them but it keeps popping up because the model itself HAS NO TAG
FUK ME MAN!

and the artists I got in my blacklist may actually have other art that is decent but these models dude are down horrendous! I don't want to see them on any artist anymore!

Not a fan of those either. After some quick research, "Disembowell" seems to be the creator of those models: https://www.deviantart.com/disembowel

I do agree that they should probably have their own tag, even more considering the guy that made them seems to have given her different names. Not to mention Cally3D's models have their own tags as well

closetpossum said:
I'm going through the fnaf tags to add to my favs. And I keep running into a lot of these kind of models.
post #1615654 post #1604756 post #1604760 post #2711051 post #2794227
Listen, idk who made it, but some of these artists are using these Bonnie, Freddy (etc.) models and they need to be tagged.
Please tag them for goodness sake.

Tag them so I can add them to my BLACKLIST
These models are friggin ugly as hell!
And there's 100s of them, I'm ending up blacklisting artists who use them but it keeps popping up because the model itself HAS NO TAG
FUK ME MAN!

and the artists I got in my blacklist may actually have other art that is decent but these models dude are down horrendous! I don't want to see them on any artist anymore!

3D resource tagging is almost as bad as voice actor tagging. Sigh, I'm actually curious who the author of the models is. Even open-source models would have a team or something. At least, unlike VA's, we can 100% be sure of the pedigree of these models, once we find the missing link ancestor. Not to mention it being visual art for tagging purposes. XD Will the real 3D model artist please stand up? Don't artists of the renders cite the material they used?

Also, is this going to be one of those can-of-worms things where suddenly no one knows, "we've just been using it"?

*ninja'd*
Thanks for finding that information, McDonaldsChicken15!

mcdonaldschicken15 said:
Not a fan of those either. After some quick research, "Disembowell" seems to be the creator of those models: https://www.deviantart.com/disembowel

I do agree that they should probably have their own tag, even more considering the guy that made them seems to have given her different names. Not to mention Cally3D's models have their own tags as well

You didn't research hard enough

Some have minor edits to them from the original but I pieced it together and that most the models were created by a artist named PsychoJohn2
CAN WE PLEASE START tagging those models with his name on them so I can activate my PURGE
these are his models too
post #3618738

https://e621.net/forum_topics/34032 Earlier topic.

alphamule said:
https://e621.net/forum_topics/34032 Earlier topic.

Dude, I don't have the attention span for this, all I read was the Janitor who seems to agree
If the person who cleans up the shit agrees than this Forum Post is practically GREENLIT

I MUST GO ON A CRUSADE AGAINST THE PSYCHOJOHN2 NOW
And potentionally save other users from this horrid art
post #3955990

After 3 hours of working on this, I feel like I made no dents...I can't do this alone.
And I kinda already feel like giving up...

I super agree with tagging these, but I don't think anything can be done without a new tag category, which who knows when it will be feasible to do.
Allowing to tag 3d models in the current moment may just add salt to the wound of "why can we tag X but not Y", more specifically, "why can we tag modellers but not VAs?".

m3g4p0n1 said:
I super agree with tagging these, but I don't think anything can be done without a new tag category, which who knows when it will be feasible to do.
Allowing to tag 3d models in the current moment may just add salt to the wound of "why can we tag X but not Y", more specifically, "why can we tag modellers but not VAs?".

Historically, if enough people raise hell about something that isn't usually tagged, it can become tagged, such as Whitekitten.

Aren't Source Filmmaker models banned here anyway?

votp said:
Historically, if enough people raise hell about something that isn't usually tagged, it can become tagged, such as Whitekitten.

Uh, didn't know that.

lendrimujina said:
Aren't Source Filmmaker models banned here anyway?

Nope, maybe you're thinking of low quality sfm submissions.

closetpossum said:
After 3 hours of working on this, I feel like I made no dents...I can't do this alone.
And I kinda already feel like giving up...

Hmm, too bad we don't have the metadata. If you had the source files, you could just scan them for the model artist's copyright notice. XD

Also, you can't really see VA's. This is also why people should be demanding credits IN the videos, because e621's extensive tagging is the exception not the rule, anyways. Even if we did have VA tags, they'd not help if the file was never uploaded here.

source_filmmaker five_nights_at_freddy%27s 13 pages. This is a nightmare. XD

That really sucks that model creators can't be tagged. Models are like, the MAIN part of the image. The model creator did most of the work on the image, the deserve to be credited as an artist.

cloudpie said:
That really sucks that model creators can't be tagged. Models are like, the MAIN part of the image. The model creator did most of the work on the image, the deserve to be credited as an artist.

A close proxy: The artist making these videos are usually using the same resources in a given time range? Now if only people always added year tags. ;)

uh yeah, I already said I'm tagging them, let me quote myself

closetpossum said:
After 3 hours of working on this, I feel like I made no dents...I can't do this alone.
And I kinda already feel like giving up...

Can I like...idk...get help?
I dug my grave and I want OUT!
Or at least another person or 2 to jump down my grave and HELP ME DIG!

y'ALL THROWING PITY TO THE MODELER, MEANWHILE I'M TAGGING THE FNAF MODELER TO ADD TO MY BLACKLIST!
Our goals are definetly not the same!

closetpossum said:
uh yeah, I already said I'm tagging them, let me quote myself

Can I like...idk...get help?
I dug my grave and I want OUT!
Or at least another person or 2 to jump down my grave and HELP ME DIG!

y'ALL THROWING PITY TO THE MODELER, MEANWHILE I'M TAGGING THE FNAF MODELER TO ADD TO MY BLACKLIST!
Our goals are definetly not the same!

If the end result is the same, the goals may as well be.

votp said:
If the end result is the same, the goals may as well be.

ok, goals may be the same, intentions are not. Get in the trenches and help me tag this bitch, lol
I have already made most the groundwork so:

foxy_(psychojohn2)
bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_freddy_(psychojohn2)
toy_chica_(psychojohn2)
mangle_(psychojohn2)
marionette_(psychojohn2)
_______________________________________

I got up to page 7 now.
I mean: page 7 AFTER you put five_nights_at_freddy's 3d_(artwork) order:id

Oh no, you're on your own, the shit-tier models that keep popping up is why I just threw the entire FNAF tag on my blacklist, and why SFM is there, too.

closetpossum said:
ok, goals may be the same, intentions are not. Get in the trenches and help me tag this bitch, lol
I have already made most the groundwork so:

foxy_(psychojohn2)
bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_freddy_(psychojohn2)
toy_chica_(psychojohn2)
mangle_(psychojohn2)
marionette_(psychojohn2)
_______________________________________

I got up to page 7 now.
I mean: page 7 AFTER you put five_nights_at_freddy's 3d_(artwork) order:id

I'm also on it.

closetpossum said:
foxy_(psychojohn2)
bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_bonnie_(psychojohn2)
toy_freddy_(psychojohn2)
toy_chica_(psychojohn2)
mangle_(psychojohn2)
marionette_(psychojohn2)

That's how I recommend addressing the model creator conundrum. With e621's current rules, don't tag the modeler as an artist but do attribute them beside the character's name character_(modelcreator), even if that means creating a "redundancy" with another tag. Really, those FNAF character_(modelcreator) tags can be implicated to their base character: foxy_(psychojohn2) -> implicates foxy_(fnaf).

That's what I did for gryphon_(untied_verbeger) two years ago, because I wanted to see more of that specific model without needing to jump through the hoop of the indirect search gryphon 3d_(artwork). This works just fine for 3D models when they do follow a consistent design (i.e., not significantly modified by third party artist), which is probably the main cognitive requirement for establishing a form as a known character. In the case of the gryphon, it's the same as tagging unnamed species_(creator) characters. We usually just don't do that because we implicitly know having 100 unnamed wolf_(owner) tags is an ugly solution, but it works out okay for public use 3D models.

abadbird said:
That's how I recommend addressing the model creator conundrum. With e621's current rules, don't tag the modeler as an artist but do attribute them beside the character's name character_(modelcreator), even if that means creating a "redundancy" with another tag. Really, those FNAF character_(modelcreator) tags can be implicated to their base character: foxy_(psychojohn2) -> implicates foxy_(fnaf).

That's what I did for gryphon_(untied_verbeger) two years ago, because I wanted to see more of that specific model without needing to jump through the hoop of the indirect search gryphon 3d_(artwork). This works just fine for 3D models when they do follow a consistent design (i.e., not significantly modified by third party artist), which is probably the main cognitive requirement for establishing a form as a known character. In the case of the gryphon, it's the same as tagging unnamed species_(creator) characters. We usually just don't do that because we implicitly know having 100 unnamed wolf_(owner) tags is an ugly solution, but it works out okay for public use 3D models.

I considered the implication of models to the base character as well, but there is an issue. What if the model is changed (still enough to identify what model it originally was) and used for a different character?
While tagging these FNAF models I came upon several OC, which used for example the foxy_(psychojohn2) model, but look too different to still tag them as Foxy.
In the case of psychojohn2's models there are also several characters sharing the same base model with slight alterations to fit the corresponding character. Just look at Toy Bonnie, Bonnie, Shadow Bonnie, Springtrap or Spring Bonnie and you see what I mean.

It is done. I went through the list ClosetPossum provided five_nights_at_freddy's 3d_(artwork) order:id and tagged these models as best as I could.
Did I miss some? Possibly. I also left some out when the model couldn't be perfectly seen.
Also, there were quite a few pictures with these models being used for fan characters. I'm still not sure how to tag them properly.

demonthedarkhound said:
It is done. I went through the list ClosetPossum provided five_nights_at_freddy's 3d_(artwork) order:id and tagged these models as best as I could.
Did I miss some? Possibly. I also left some out when the model couldn't be perfectly seen.
Also, there were quite a few pictures with these models being used for fan characters. I'm still not sure how to tag them properly.

thank you, Demon, for your hard work.
I'm sure it was time consuming, good job dude!

I know this is a bit late, but I salute you all for your hard work. I cannot stand those FNAF models, so I'm glad they finally have a specific tag.

nescio66 said:
I know this is a bit late, but I salute you all for your hard work. I cannot stand those FNAF models, so I'm glad they finally have a specific tag.

I suffered a Neutral Mark to get this done and for DemonTheDarkHound's assitance.
I took a bullet for y'all. A bullet I regret. But it was a good cost. I'm so glad to be validated...I knew I wasn't the only one who disliked them...

closetpossum said:
I suffered a Neutral Mark to get this done and for DemonTheDarkHound's assitance.
I took a bullet for y'all. A bullet I regret. But it was a good cost. I'm so glad to be validated...I knew I wasn't the only one who disliked them...

You suffered a neutral mark because of how you phrased it in the forum, not because you did it. Not very nice to have people in the forum complain loudly you and your models.

snpthecat said:
You suffered a neutral mark because of how you phrased it in the forum, not because you did it. Not very nice to have people in the forum complain loudly you and your models.

*uh akshoully*
post #3569836

Gee, really? I didn't know that.
Why do you keep doing that SNP?
There comes a point where it's just obnoxious.
You can keep doing that, but whenever you do, I think of that pic.

Don't start, man, just move on and don't respond. That goes for both of you, there's no reason to get into it over something this dumb.

votp said:
Don't start, man, just move on and don't respond. That goes for both of you, there's no reason to get into it over something this dumb.

he literally came in here JUST to say that. How can that not be seen as anything but insufferable?
Sure, I get it, the problem has been resolved for days now

closetpossum said:
he literally came in here JUST to say that. How can that not be seen as anything but insufferable?
Sure, I get it, the problem has been resolved for days now

I guess I was 2 months too late. You've made an error.

Those models aren't by psychjohn, they're actually by redeye. Actually the original was from disembowell https://e621.net/posts/607542, then redeye made a new version (futa warning) https://e621.net/posts/3296786 and then psychojohn https://e621.net/posts/2794238 made one after that but I think they only did the girls. The vast majority of models are by redeye.

The main visual difference between redeye to disembowell seems to be the feet, and disembowell to psychojohn's seems to be the breasts.

I just spent the past 3 days trying to tag all of the 3D Loona models (I wanted to use as many models as I reasonably could for an animation I wanted to make and I still have less than a page of unidentified models to go. There's like 20 of them) So I *could* go on another tagging spree and take all the fnaf models properly but I vote that at the very least, instead of toy_bonnie_(psychojohn2) it should be toy_bonnie_(disembowell) and psychojohn's edit is so small that I would just lump his into disembowell's. A full blacklist for you would be:

foxy_(disembowell)
freddy_(disembowell)
bonnie_(disembowell)
chica_(disembowell)
freddy_(disembowell)
toy_bonnie_(disembowell)
toy_chica_(disembowell)
toy_freddy_(disembowell)
mangle_(disembowell)

I'm not sure if bonnie_(disembowell) and the others should exist, though you could run into issues with OCs that use them as a base so maybe?

bdanimare said:
I guess I was 2 months too late. You've made an error.

Those models aren't by psychjohn, they're actually by redeye. Actually the original was from disembowell https://e621.net/posts/607542, then redeye made a new version (futa warning) https://e621.net/posts/3296786 and then psychojohn https://e621.net/posts/2794238 made one after that but I think they only did the girls. The vast majority of models are by redeye.

The main visual difference between redeye to disembowell seems to be the feet, and disembowell to psychojohn's seems to be the breasts.

I just spent the past 3 days trying to tag all of the 3D Loona models (I wanted to use as many models as I reasonably could for an animation I wanted to make and I still have less than a page of unidentified models to go. There's like 20 of them) So I *could* go on another tagging spree and take all the fnaf models properly but I vote that at the very least, instead of toy_bonnie_(psychojohn2) it should be toy_bonnie_(disembowell) and psychojohn's edit is so small that I would just lump his into disembowell's. A full blacklist for you would be:

foxy_freddy_(disembowell)
bonnie_(disembowell)
chica_(disembowell)
freddy_(disembowell)
toy_bonnie_(disembowell)
toy_chica_(disembowell)
toy_freddy_(disembowell)
mangle_(disembowell)

I'm not sure if bonnie_(disembowell) and the others should exist, though you could run into issues with OCs that use them as a base so maybe?

First of all, are you 100% sure that disembowell made these models before psychojohn and not the other way around like ClosetPossum said? (Unfortunately, we can't ask the possum for his information, he got himself banned a while ago)

Second, the way you put it disembowell made the original models and redeye and psychojohn just made edits of them. The differences you named are in my opinion too small to tag them differently (Also, were the breasts really different? I remember the majority of these models having nipples, whick look like they were stamped on. Could you also elaborate how the feet are different?) and they need to actually be in view to spot them. For example, if redeye's model doesn't have its feet visible it's immediatly identical to disembowell's.
If disembowell turns out to be the original creator I would put everying under his name.

You don't need to go on another tagging spree. When all questions are answered I will do it myself. I did it once, I can do it agian. (BTW, I wish you luck with your Loona tagging project)

Yes, the tags for the models of Bonnie, Freddy and Chica were a bit of a stretch to create. As far as I know they are mostly just recolours of the toy-models (and sometimes lacking the cheek dots), but in some cases I couldn't tell which came first. Bonnie, Shadow Bonnie, Springtrap and Spring Bonnie all base (VERY likely) on Toy Bonnie and the model just got altered to fit the corresponding character. I don't know at which point we can say that the model is altered enough to be considered its own thing.
OCs were a big problem during tagging. I STILL have no idea how to tag them properly. If the character is visibly a fox, but the face isn't showing properly it could be the model for either Foxy, Mangle or Lolbit.
(Side note: There's a little mistake in the first line of your blacklist suggestion.)

demonthedarkhound said:
First of all, are you 100% sure that disembowell made these models before psychojohn and not the other way around like ClosetPossum said? (Unfortunately, we can't ask the possum for his information, he got himself banned a while ago)

Second, the way you put it disembowell made the original models and redeye and psychojohn just made edits of them. The differences you named are in my opinion too small to tag them differently (Also, were the breasts really different? I remember the majority of these models having nipples, whick look like they were stamped on. Could you also elaborate how the feet are different?) and they need to actually be in view to spot them. For example, if redeye's model doesn't have its feet visible it's immediatly identical to disembowell's.
If disembowell turns out to be the original creator I would put everying under his name.

You don't need to go on another tagging spree. When all questions are answered I will do it myself. I did it once, I can do it agian. (BTW, I wish you luck with your Loona tagging project)

Yes, the tags for the models of Bonnie, Freddy and Chica were a bit of a stretch to create. As far as I know they are mostly just recolours of the toy-models (and sometimes lacking the cheek dots), but in some cases I couldn't tell which came first. Bonnie, Shadow Bonnie, Springtrap and Spring Bonnie all base (VERY likely) on Toy Bonnie and the model just got altered to fit the corresponding character. I don't know at which point we can say that the model is altered enough to be considered its own thing.
OCs were a big problem during tagging. I STILL have no idea how to tag them properly. If the character is visibly a fox, but the face isn't showing properly it could be the model for either Foxy, Mangle or Lolbit.
(Side note: There's a little mistake in the first line of your blacklist suggestion.)

I'm absolutely certain. The v1 models were by disembowwel, then redeye made the new version, then recently psychojohn made the edit to redeye's version. The vast majority of people that use the models use redeye's since psychojohn decided to make his edit patreon only for some reason.

You can't even notice the difference in breasts honestly. The stamped nipples were the first two versions. Here's disembowwel's feet and redeye's feet (even though that picture is technically that's psychojohn's edit but you can't tell the difference". Having to have the feet in view would be harder to tag, so that's why I'm stuck on if we should tag is as disembowwel since they're the original maker or redeye since that's the majority. I asked redeye to confirm and yes, disembowwel is the original creator. I've completed 6.5 pages of Loona and I just have another half a page to go.

There's still a lot of models that aren't tagged, for both callie and disembowell. Ironically, I actually like the "ugly" models better but I do have an affinity for lighting and thought they looked really cool. I'm just waiting on the artists to get back to me to confirm what model they used.

As far as the other tagging goes, that's probably where it could be talked about it in this thread https://e621.net/forum_topics/40657

bdanimare said:
I'm absolutely certain. The v1 models were by disembowwel, then redeye made the new version, then recently psychojohn made the edit to redeye's version. The vast majority of people that use the models use redeye's since psychojohn decided to make his edit patreon only for some reason.

You can't even notice the difference in breasts honestly. The stamped nipples were the first two versions. Here's disembowwel's feet and redeye's feet (even though that picture is technically that's psychojohn's edit but you can't tell the difference". Having to have the feet in view would be harder to tag, so that's why I'm stuck on if we should tag is as disembowwel since they're the original maker or redeye since that's the majority. I asked redeye to confirm and yes, disembowwel is the original creator. I've completed 6.5 pages of Loona and I just have another half a page to go.

There's still a lot of models that aren't tagged, for both callie and disembowell. Ironically, I actually like the "ugly" models better but I do have an affinity for lighting and thought they looked really cool. I'm just waiting on the artists to get back to me to confirm what model they used.

As far as the other tagging goes, that's probably where it could be talked about it in this thread https://e621.net/forum_topics/40657

Sooo... Can I go ahead and change the tags on all the posts from _(psychojohn) to _(disembowell) or does anybody have to say something against it?

demonthedarkhound said:
Sooo... Can I go ahead and change the tags on all the posts from _(psychojohn) to _(disembowell) or does anybody have to say something against it?

I don't but no one's really settled on topic 40657

closetpossum said:
I'm going through the fnaf tags to add to my favs. And I keep running into a lot of these kind of models.
post #1615654 post #1604756 post #1604760 post #2711051 post #2794227
Listen, idk who made it, but some of these artists are using these Bonnie, Freddy (etc.) models and they need to be tagged.
Please tag them for goodness sake.

Tag them so I can add them to my BLACKLIST
These models are friggin ugly as hell!
And there's 100s of them, I'm ending up blacklisting artists who use them but it keeps popping up because the model itself HAS NO TAG
FUK ME MAN!

and the artists I got in my blacklist may actually have other art that is decent but these models dude are down horrendous! I don't want to see them on any artist anymore!

I AGREE THERE SO UGLY AND LITERALLY THE DEFF OF CRINGE

bdanimare said:
I don't but no one's really settled on topic 40657

Wish it could be. The only hang up it seems is multiple versions of a model by the same creator
If it were my choice id make it a character tag and include version numbers if the models are different enough

grey_scale_dragon said:
Wish it could be. The only hang up it seems is multiple versions of a model by the same creator
If it were my choice id make it a character tag and include version numbers if the models are different enough

No, that with the multiple versions is not the major hang up. https://e621.net/forum_topics/40657 first needs to come to a satisfactory conclusion and that's more about tagging models/modelers in general.
Currently, the models in question are all tagged as _(psychojohn2), but will likely be changed to _(disembowell) when the discussion is resolved.

closetpossum said:
*uh akshoully*
post #3569836

Gee, really? I didn't know that.
Why do you keep doing that SNP?
There comes a point where it's just obnoxious.
You can keep doing that, but whenever you do, I think of that pic.

Am I an asshole for finding it kinda funny that in his quest to get something tagged so he could add it to his blacklist, he got himself banned... meaning he no longer has a blacklist?

mothbean said:
Am I an asshole for finding it kinda funny that in his quest to get something tagged so he could add it to his blacklist, he got himself banned... meaning he no longer has a blacklist?

Was there a functional point to necroing this?

I miss that possum a little but he did it to himself... Him and lots of people don't know when it's just fine to leave the computer or putting down their phone than replying something that will only make it worse...