Aliasing restroom → toilet
Link to alias

Reason:

no b/c some restrooms only have urinals and also sometimes restrooms have more than a single toilet. this is a really bad idea for an alias sorry (jk I apolgize for nothing this alias sucks!!!!!!)

A restroom usually includes a toilet, but doesn't necessarily show one in the post. For instance, it could only show the sinks, some urinals (as memeboy stated), or just outside of the stalls.

However, I think there may be some room for aliasing between these:

• restroom
• restroom_stall
• bathroom
• bathroom_stall
• wc (surprised people still use this one, actually)

Considering that it depends partially on region and partially on location (public restroom vs. in a house) we might have to think of something more elegant to organize these.

Any ideas?

This seems familiar. Ah yes, here's the old topic: forum #99237

Last time this came up, it was decided that restroom should be tagged for public or semi-public ones with stalls and such, and it should be aliased to public_restroom. The rest should be tagged as bathroom. But despite several users saying that it's a good idea, doesn't seem like it caught on. Since there's no alias, and only six posts tagged as public_restroom.

The proposed implication tree was:

• bathroom
• public_restroom (<- alias restroom)

An alias won't work as toilets are not synonymous with restrooms for above-mentioned reasons. An implication wouldn't work either.

Aliasing or implicating the other way around also wouldn't work as toilets need not appear in bathrooms or restrooms (such as sold in a store or when used as part of a prank).

aliasing restroom to --> toilet is denied for all the reasons already mentioned in both threads.

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Genjar said:
This seems familiar. Ah yes, here's the old topic: forum #99237

Last time this came up, it was decided that restroom should be tagged for public or semi-public ones with stalls and such, and it should be aliased to public_restroom. The rest should be tagged as bathroom. But despite several users saying that it's a good idea, doesn't seem like it caught on. Since there's no alias, and only six posts tagged as public_restroom.

The proposed implication tree was:

• bathroom
• public_restroom (<- alias restroom)

I suspect it just never got done (like so many older decisions on the forums, some of which just got overlooked or forgotten before they got implemented - it certainly wasn't lacking in either support or agreement, just never quite got finished it looks like...) I think it was a good plan, so if people are ok with it, I can do the following ideas (pulled from both threads):

alias restroom to --> public_restroom to clarify the meaning.
alias bathroom_stall to --> restroom_stall since stalls are mostly a public thing, and the images under it seem to be used for public restrooms only.
implicate restroom_stall to --> public_restroom, because that's where they're found.
implicate public_restroom to --> bathroom, as a more specifically public type of bathroom.

Any thoughts? Concerns, changes, additions, etc?

Sounds like a solid plan and very elegantly keeps all the bathroom tags clean.

There's 4 posts under wc but I don't know if it would be better to alias those or just manually move them over and ignore it.

Ah! I get what arsindicium meant now (and I'm probably late to the game figuring this out, as usual). Sometimes the bathroom itself is referred to as the toilet. "I'm going to the toilet," as an alternate form of "I'm going to the bathroom."

Even so, it doesn't really change anything or Furrypickle's ruling in light of the above confusion when we assumed toilet meant the object and not the room.

furrypickle said:
implicate public_restroom to --> bathroom, as a more specifically public type of bathroom.

I'm not really for this one. In my mind, a bathroom is more like a private restroom, as maintained in a private residence, since they have the added function of providing a place for a bath (not counting half-baths, I admit) plus also often showing some aspect of the resident(s) personality. I think public restrooms and bathrooms are distinct enough in appearance in the vast majority of cases. Half-baths should be counted as bathrooms since there's functionally no difference between them and bathrooms in which the tub is out of frame.

parasprite said:
There's 4 posts under wc but I don't know if it would be better to alias those or just manually move them over and ignore it.

I'm tempted to say to alias it as a preventative measure, unless an argument can be made that it could be used to refer to something/someone else. Water_closet could be left alone for now, though, since nobody's actually using it.

Clawstripe said:

I'm not really for this one. In my mind, a bathroom is more like a private restroom, as maintained in a private residence, since they have the added function of providing a place for a bath (not counting half-baths, I admit) plus also often showing some aspect of the resident(s) personality. I think public restrooms and bathrooms are distinct enough in appearance in the vast majority of cases. Half-baths should be counted as bathrooms since there's functionally no difference between them and bathrooms in which the tub is out of frame.

Just letting you know this one is heavily dependent on region and is far from having a standardized definition or even word for it. Trying to narrow down a distinction between them isn't going to be very helpful as "bathroom" in many regions just refers to anywhere you can relieve yourself (e.g., "I'm going to go to the bathroom behind this tree") so it makes the most sense to just sort of pick a plan and stick with it. I've seen the word used as "the informal one" with restroom as "the formal one", regardless of whether it is in a house or a moving vehicle.

Furrypickle's plan should keep most of them under a broad "place that usually has a toilet" definition while giving us a way to separate the public ones bathroom -public_restroom, which is really all we need.

parasprite said:
Just letting you know this one is heavily dependent on region and is far from having a standardized definition or even word for it. Trying to narrow down a distinction between them isn't going to be very helpful as "bathroom" in many regions just refers to anywhere you can relieve yourself (e.g., "I'm going to go to the bathroom behind this tree") so it makes the most sense to just sort of pick a plan and stick with it. I've seen the word used as "the informal one" with restroom as "the formal one", regardless of whether it is in a house or a moving vehicle.

Furrypickle's plan should keep most of them under a broad "place that usually has a toilet" definition while giving us a way to separate the public ones bathroom -public_restroom, which is really all we need.

Fair point. Since bathroom would basically be a euphemistic shorthand for "place to empty bodily wastes", then I retract my objection.

Alright then, some decent points have been raised, but then also resolved. I don't think any solution is going to be equally 100% because like parasprite pointed out, all of these terms are used with different frequencies depending on dialect, and sometimes just used as a euphemism for going to the bathroom/going to the toilets/etc. I think this plan is the most widely recognizable use for each term for people coming at it from a wide range of backgrounds. Which is what we need it to do. But it is a good concern, and I'm glad it was brought up.

I also want to mention that I realised there was a chance the OP meant "toilet" not as the object, but as the dialect usage for a bathroom. But we kinda need to keep that term for the object specifically, so that didn't really change anything in the end result. It does however make the original suggestion a lot more logical. I also don't think that regional use of the word "toilet" is nearly as widespread as some of the other terms, so going with something like "toilet_(object)" vs "toilet" probably would have confused a lot of people who come from areas where they don't use the word "toilet" for the room or the action, just the object, etc.

So, I approved this then:

aliased restroom to --> public_restroom to clarify the meaning.
aliased bathroom_stall to --> restroom_stall since stalls are mostly a public thing, and the images under it seem to be used for public restrooms only.
implicated restroom_stall to --> public_restroom, because that's where they're found.
implicated public_restroom to --> bathroom, as a more specifically public type of bathroom.

However, after looking into it, I opted not to alias wc because it had only 5 uses, two of which were sourced from the wildcritters image board (and using "wc" as an abbreviation for that, so really not a valid use in any case). So with it being barely used [two instances from a year ago, and then one this month], and the other half were an invalid use for something else. I figured it was safer to just empty the other three out by hand instead. But if it becomes a more consistent or reoccurring issue in the future, we can certainly do something about it then. I think it only gets used once in a blue moon though.

Forgot about that old thread