Topic: BUR to fix an individuals terrible tagging part 6 (25 entry limit)

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #5191 is pending approval.

create alias young_photos (0) -> photo (8151)
create alias younger_brother (168) -> brother_(lore) (31802)
create alias younger_brother_penetrating_older_brother (0) -> brothers_(lore) (12853)
create alias younger_dominant (12) -> younger_dom_older_sub (1110)
create alias younger_fingered (140) -> fingering (49322)
create alias younger_fisted (0) -> fisting (4182)
create alias younger_rimmed (19) -> rimming (30253)
create alias younger_rimming_older (0) -> rimming (30253)
create alias younger_sibling (179) -> sibling_(lore) (48726)
create alias younger_sister (135) -> sister_(lore) (31785)
create alias semi-anthro_on_feral (0) -> feral (625276)
create alias adult_male (12) -> male (2545692)
create alias adult_female (2) -> female (2585399)
create alias fingered (0) -> fingering (49322)

Reason: Mods told me "Approved: The best way to resolve all of these would be to submit a Bulk Update Request on the forum, and request mass deletion of these. That way the community can have involvement, and items can be added or subtracted from the list."

I didn't even know that was a thing, and I have no idea if I'm doing this right at all even with reading the wiki page but here is my shot at this.

My issue was user 449843, currently named Garbagios, is making up a shit ton of redundant tags and the only person using any of these tags seems to be them. The tags aren't helping anyone find anything, especially when all they're doing is adding half a dozen tags to a single image that all mean younger_penetrated. Then another dozen tags to the same image to add male and female versions of a bunch of other tags. Some of these would technically alias a couple things since all of their tagging is simply combining other tags together for no reason, but I'm not sure if I can make multiple aliases with a BUR. They are also tagging a bunch of non evolved pokemon as young and cub even though some of these posts have gone SIXTEEN YEARS without the tags. They seem to be changing tags to fit their own view of things. I don't think the BUR can fix them tagging pokemon wrong so I was kinda hoping there was an undo all on their tagging and users can fix the relatively minor decent tagging they have done while the BUR prevents them from making up more redundant tags. About half of the tags in this list they are using, the rest showed up in tag search and look absolutely useless or so few people use them they aren't doing anything other than clutter up the tags, so we might as well get rid of them/fix them. I opened this can of worms, might as well see it through. Some might be better as implications than aliases but I'd rather see what other people think first. I prefer a cleaner tag list than a bunch tags that are so specific that while yes, that is technically in this image, but no one will ever search for that so why add the tag.

There is also some other minor tag fixes along this line of reasoning. Adult_on_cub has 5.4k posts but adult_on_young only has 1.4k. Shouldn't it be adult_on_young, since all cub is young, but not all young is cub, and you can just search that and cub to get the results you want?

cub_receiving - I saw this and said, "What the hell does that mean?" Receiving what? If you go up to someone and tell them your receiving and leave it at that they're going to stare at you like your crazy because that doesn't mean anything on its own. A cub receiving oral says the tag page. Then cub and oral. Why make up another tag for this? And there's a hell of a lot more than 234 posts of cubs receiving oral so either there's a better tag or this should just go

older_on_XYZ - Just need to go. We have older_male, older_female, young/cub/baby etc. These tags are too general to be useful for searching. Just adds clutter to the tags

younger_feral - implies a bunch of other younger tags exist, such as younger_anthro, but they aren't in use.

feral_penetrating_XYZ. Human, anthro, feral, humanoid are being used a lot, but compared to the number of images tagged feral_penetrating, people dont seem to be using feral_penetrating_(male/female/gyno/andro/herm) nearly as much. Feral_penetrating_gynomorph has 15 images while feral_penetrating + gynomorph has 933. If thats what your looking for using the more specific tag is useless if everyone doesn't use it

The more I look into tags the more I see that need fixed so I'm just going to have to stop adding tags here.

Wiki page says errors should just be removed and added to the forum post so here they are. Also says 25 entries max so this is going to have to get split up.

alias younger_humanoid -> humanoid # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR
alias younger_taur -> taur # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR
alias younger_feral -> feral # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR

bloodreaver01 said:
create alias younger_fingered (83) -> fingered (0)

Should be fingering, my bad

You can edit BURs you make fairly easily (go to the BUR, click edit).

Added adult_male and adult_female.

These are the kinds of useless tags garbagios is adding that I'm trying to get rid of. Tags that at the end of the day no one will ever use.

bloodreaver01 said:
create alias younger_fingered (83) -> fingered (0)

Should be fingering, my bad

Hmm, should add this?
create alias fingered -> fingering

bloodreaver01 said:
Uh, they all have young and rape tagged though?

Yeah, adding that in final tags doesn't change the search result, one of the posts even shows young added to it in the results

I meant it's a lot of work, still. XD Also, wasn't that supposed to be for cub not young?

Also, rape tags != raped tags
This basically makes it impossible to search for specific roles.

alphamule said:
I meant it's a lot of work, still. XD Also, wasn't that supposed to be for cub not young?

Also, rape tags != raped tags
This basically makes it impossible to search for specific roles.

I agree that there do need to be some more rape tags that are frequently used, but not so many that people make comments about how many different rape tags are in a post because it has every variation of young_raped, adult/older/young/younger/anthro/feral/humanoid/male/female/etc_rape as well as all-that-stuff_raping_everything-else. There are posts with more rape tags than other tags. I was mostly focused on garbagios' 50 variations of saying cub and young. Rape tags are definitely going to be a problem later, but it seems like it should be more of a forum thing for now to see what tags people would use/find useful and go from there. The rape page already has a few implications that are mostly pretty distinct types of rape(tentacle, gang, date) but not the variations of rape/raped/raping. I'm pretty indifferent twords the rape tags so I have no idea who would find what useful since I don't add or subtract it from searches.

bloodreaver01 said:
I agree that there do need to be some more rape tags that are frequently used, but not so many that people make comments about how many different rape tags are in a post because it has every variation of young_raped, adult/older/young/younger/anthro/feral/humanoid/male/female/etc_rape as well as all-that-stuff_raping_everything-else. There are posts with more rape tags than other tags. I was mostly focused on garbagios' 50 variations of saying cub and young. Rape tags are definitely going to be a problem later, but it seems like it should be more of a forum thing for now to see what tags people would use/find useful and go from there. The rape page already has a few implications that are mostly pretty distinct types of rape(tentacle, gang, date) but not the variations of rape/raped/raping. I'm pretty indifferent twords the rape tags so I have no idea who would find what useful since I don't add or subtract it from searches.

Well, OK, the raped_* tags at least would be needed if wanting to filter/find specific groups. For people trying to narrow down from the many pages of results, it's great to have a tag that does get tagged on the <1% of content with a given popular tag. Imagine how useless a mammal or feral tag is for inclusionary search (most of the time), but extremely valuable for exclusionary search. Some people don't want to see ferals penetrated by non-ferals, so we have tags like feral on feral, others might want to exclude all ferals being penetrated, and others want the ferals solo. Others might want to see ferals penetrated by anthro males, so we have feral penetrated, male_penetrating, and anthro penetrating, but not male_penetrating_feral since in practice, that's the exact same results with rare exception of more than 2 subjects. i.e. trio, group

I'll go find that thread where *_cub/cub_* tag depreciation was mentioned, and link to one of the replies where they basically said it's a mess and young is the way to go.

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Bulk update for age_on_age tags Hmm, not the post I was looking for but I'll try other search terms.

The problem(s) with the Cub tag, and possibly how to fix it... And another interesting post but not one I wanted...

Difference between Cub and Young? At least this collection of links provides a good background for the subject. :/

SnowWolf and Riversyde's comments on XXXXX -> young implications from early on.

TWYS and the Current Cub Wiki (Bonus Round: Young) LOL, that title.

Ah, here it is! When the hell were these cub tags added? Best contributions in this topic seem to be wat8548's comments. Also, LOL look at first reply. Our old friend with account #449843. ;) BTW: Not the first time someone said teenager/teen tag is garbage.

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alphamule said:

Ah, here it is! When the hell were these cub tags added? Best contributions in this topic seem to be wat8548's comments. Also, LOL look at first reply. Our old friend with account #449843. ;) BTW: Not the first time someone said teenager/teen tag is garbage.

I like it. And the number of forum posts mentioning #449843's tags is pretty impressive. And yeah, teen is a huge age range with a massive disparity of physical appearances from literally being a child to being as physically developed as an adult. And seeing as its a drawing, how do you really differentiate between a teen and someone who is just petite? I removed some of the rape* tags but not x_raping_x tags since they are redundant with tagging things with rape and raped. This is still going to result in a TON of rape tags on some posts but rape can be dealt with elsewhere. Also changed my male/female_cub to young_male/female in line with topic 38991 because their thread makes sense.

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Page five still has all those older_on_* tags. But adult_on_* tags also exist and while they don't imply the same thing since, for example, you could have a child on a toddler to get older_on_toddler, that many variations don't need to exist especially when they will overlap with young_on_young or adult_on_young and doesn't even define what age range or gender the older is even in. A five and six year old for child on child would still result in older_on_young. I can see people searching young_on_young or adult_on_young but older_on_young and its variations feel too vague in this case. Young_on_young and older/younger_gender* or adult_on_young and older/younger_gender* feels a lot more useful. At the very least the older_on_* should be pared down to older_on_young though it will still be a functionally useless tag.

https://e621.net/post_versions?commit=Search&search%5Bexclude_uploads%5D=0&search%5Btags_added%5D=older_on_cub

Also that user added almost all of them. Its like redundant tagging is an achievement. How can we retag this 10 year old image with combinations of tags already in this image today?

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bloodreaver01 said:
I like it. And the number of forum posts mentioning #449843's tags is pretty impressive. And yeah, teen is a huge age range with a massive disparity of physical appearances from literally being a child to being as physically developed as an adult. And seeing as its a drawing, how do you really differentiate between a teen and someone who is just petite? I removed some of the rape* tags but not x_raping_x tags since they are redundant with tagging things with rape and raped. This is still going to result in a TON of rape tags on some posts but rape can be dealt with elsewhere. Also changed my male/female_cub to young_male/female in line with topic 38991 because their thread makes sense.

edit

Page five still has all those older_on_* tags. But adult_on_* tags also exist and while they don't imply the same thing since, for example, you could have a child on a toddler to get older_on_toddler, that many variations don't need to exist especially when they will overlap with young_on_young or adult_on_young and doesn't even define what age range or gender the older is even in. A five and six year old for child on child would still result in older_on_young. I can see people searching young_on_young or adult_on_young but older_on_young and its variations feel too vague in this case. Young_on_young and older/younger_gender* or adult_on_young and older/younger_gender* feels a lot more useful. At the very least the older_on_* should be pared down to older_on_young though it will still be a functionally useless tag.

https://e621.net/post_versions?commit=Search&search%5Bexclude_uploads%5D=0&search%5Btags_added%5D=older_on_cub

Also that user added almost all of them. Its like redundant tagging is an achievement. How can we retag this 10 year old image with combinations of tags already in this image today?

TBF, for some fetishes, you get few people that want to tag them. i.e. The estim ones. Removing ability to search for target/source of an action like that seems to be breaking search for them.

Complete checklist:
young_photos is probably someone trying to make childhood_photos but photo and photo_album already apply.
younger_brother older_sister -brother_and_sister_(lore) Done
younger_brother -younger_male Done
older_sister -older_female
older_brother younger_sister -brother_and_sister_(lore)
younger_sister -younger_female
older_brother -older_male
older_sibling -older_female
older_sibling -older_female -older_male
older_sibling -younger_female
older_sibling -younger_male -younger_female
older_brother younger_brother -brothers_(lore)
older_brother younger_brother -younger_male -older_male
younger_brother_penetrating_older_brother -male/male
younger_brother_penetrating_older_brother -male_penetrating_male
younger_brother_penetrating_older_brother -older_male
younger_brother_penetrating_older_brother -younger_male
younger_dominant is yet another one of THOSE tags. Typing younger_do literally brings up the correct tag as a suggestion. I guess someone was really tired. XD
younger_fingered -younger_male
younger_fingered -younger_male -younger_female
younger_fisted -younger_male
younger_fisted -younger_male -younger_female
younger_fingered -older_male
younger_fingered -older_male -older_female
younger_fisted -older_male
younger_fisted -older_male -older_female
younger_rimm* 0 results.
younger_sibling -younger_male
younger_sibling -younger_female
younger_sibling -older_male
younger_sibling -older_female
younger_sister -younger_female
younger_sister -older_female
younger_sister -older_female -older_male
semi-anthro_on_feral -semi-anthro
adult_male young -older_male
adult_female young -older_female Done
fingered 0 results.

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