Topic: [APPROVED] unalias female_feral and male_feral

The bulk update request #5105 is active.

remove alias male_feral (17362) -> male (2968640)
remove alias female_feral (17259) -> female (2972765)

Reason: It doesn't make sense that they are aliased when male_anthro and female_anthro are not

EDIT: The bulk update request #5105 (forum #369043) has been approved by @slyroon.

or we should just alias away all of the <gender>_<form> tags

I don't know why we still cling on to the idea that these tags are useless, when no tag combination can reliably achieve the same results. male feral returns many many results where the feral isn't male. Suggesting male feral solo or male feral -female -intersex as alternatives is just plain ridiculous. What if you wanted specifically to search for images containing a male feral and an intersex anthro?

It's crazy how everybody is willing to argue that princess_twilight_sparkle_(mlp) shouldn't imply twilight_sparkle_(mlp) for the ridiculous niche case of "what if somebody wants to find an image that contains both forms" but argues against being able to easily find the gender form you're looking for.

With the same arguments against gender_form these tags are also useless because they can be replicated successfully at least some of the time by using different tag combinations:

• anal_penetration: anal penetration
• looking_back_at_viewer: looking_back looking_at_viewer
• public_nudity: public nude
• penis_in_pussy: penis pussy penetration
• standing_sex: standing sex

faucet said:
It's crazy how everybody is willing to argue that princess_twilight_sparkle_(mlp) shouldn't imply twilight_sparkle_(mlp) for the ridiculous niche case of "what if somebody wants to find an image that contains both forms" but argues against being able to easily find the gender form you're looking for.

as far as I can tell, there was only one person arguing against that implication.

also, princess_twilight_sparkle_(mlp) got aliased away over a month ago and no one even noticed, so.

darryus said:
or we should just alias away all of the <gender>_<form> tags

that could also be an option but there does seem to be a demand for this type of tags, someone even made feral_boy and feral_girl, seemingly to get around the current alias situation.
and personally I do think there is at least some value in having specific tags because it's pretty common for a picture to have both the female and feral tags without actually containing a female_feral

faucet said:
I don't know why we still cling on to the idea that these tags are useless, when no tag combination can reliably achieve the same results.

The male_human/female_human tags should be revalidated too.

These aliases cause more problems and inconvenience than whatever problems they're trying to "solve".

Not every post tagged feral female is going to have a feral character that is female, and not every post with a feral female character involves sexual activity that would warrant tag combinations that indirectly indicate a female feral, like feral_on_male anthro_on_female or something.

It's also downright impossible to describe when there are characters of both sexes that are the same form, with a third character of a different form. How do you specifically search for a female human in a scene or comic alongside female and male anthro characters? Spoiler: you can't. Right now you're stuck with male female human anthro trio... the results for that combination of tags are unsurprisingly predominantly male human characters with at least one anthro female, with some posts involving one male anthro and two female human characters.

With the hypothetical combination of female_human male_anthro female_anthro you would find posts containing what you're looking for immediately, a trio of characters, two anthro that are male and female, and one female human.

darryus said:
or we should just alias away all of the <gender>_<form> tags

They should all be implications, not alias.

The bulk update request #5238 is active.

Reason: If it's decided that these tags are valid, then they'll need implications. Included some that currently have no posts for completeness

Also:
imply male_feral -> male
imply male_feral -> feral
imply female_feral -> female
imply female_feral -> feral
alias feral_boy -> male_feral
alias feral_girl -> female_feral

EDIT: The bulk update request #5238 (forum #371196) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #5239 is active.

Reason: More + revalidating male_human and female_human

After:
imply female_human -> female
imply female_human -> human
imply male_human -> male
imply male_human -> human
alias human_male -> male_human
alias human_female -> female_human

EDIT: The bulk update request #5239 (forum #371197) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #5240 is active.

create implication herm_humanoid (46) -> intersex_humanoid (1326)
create implication maleherm_humanoid (11) -> maleherm (5504)
create implication maleherm_humanoid (11) -> intersex_humanoid (1326)
create implication male_taur (778) -> male (2968640)
create implication male_taur (778) -> taur (22020)
create implication female_taur (1680) -> female (2972765)
create implication female_taur (1680) -> taur (22020)
create implication intersex_taur (1086) -> intersex (295283)
create implication intersex_taur (1086) -> taur (22020)
create implication andromorph_taur (66) -> andromorph (29218)
create implication andromorph_taur (66) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication gynomorph_taur (643) -> gynomorph (231034)
create implication gynomorph_taur (643) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication herm_taur (338) -> herm (31499)
create implication herm_taur (338) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication maleherm_taur (39) -> maleherm (5504)
create implication maleherm_taur (39) -> intersex_taur (1086)

Reason: last one

EDIT: The bulk update request #5240 (forum #371198) has been approved by @slyroon.

looks like almost everyone is in favor of <gender>_<form>?

cloudpie said:
looks like almost everyone is in favor of <gender>_<form>?

Yep. Then aliasing away all the combo tags of <gender>_on_<form>

cloudpie said:
looks like almost everyone is in favor of <gender>_<form>?

Yes, it was... patently idiotic that it wasn't done that way from the beginning.
Should we keep the <sex>_penetrating_<bodytype> tags, given those are a bit more specific than just pairing tags?

snpthecat said:
Yep. Then aliasing away all the combo tags of <gender>_on_<form>

Which will be a whole task in itself, requiring people to go through and add the relevant tags. <gender>_on_<form> can't be aliased to <gender>_<form> since the former doesn't indicate the gender of the given <form>, or the form of the given <gender> (other than the character referenced by <gender> being not-<form>), and aliasing away <gender>_on_<form> without the <gender>_<form> tags in place would lose relevant and useful information about the posts.

votp said:
Should we keep the <sex>_penetrating_<bodytype> tags, given those are a bit more specific than just pairing tags?

No, even without <gender>_<form> tags, the <gender>_on_<form> tags are enough without needing <gender>_<verbing>_<form> (and <form>_<verbing>_<gender>) tags, given the individual *_<verbing> and *_<verbed> tags.

votp said:
Should we keep the <sex>_penetrating_<bodytype> tags, given those are a bit more specific than just pairing tags?

I strongly hope we remove those too. x_verbing and y_verbed are way way more reasonable. <gender>_<form> and x_verbing y_verbed are enough imo

cloudpie said:
The bulk update request #5240 is active.

create implication herm_humanoid (46) -> intersex_humanoid (1326)
create implication maleherm_humanoid (11) -> maleherm (5504)
create implication maleherm_humanoid (11) -> intersex_humanoid (1326)
create implication male_taur (778) -> male (2968640)
create implication male_taur (778) -> taur (22020)
create implication female_taur (1680) -> female (2972765)
create implication female_taur (1680) -> taur (22020)
create implication intersex_taur (1086) -> intersex (295283)
create implication intersex_taur (1086) -> taur (22020)
create implication andromorph_taur (66) -> andromorph (29218)
create implication andromorph_taur (66) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication gynomorph_taur (643) -> gynomorph (231034)
create implication gynomorph_taur (643) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication herm_taur (338) -> herm (31499)
create implication herm_taur (338) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create implication maleherm_taur (39) -> maleherm (5504)
create implication maleherm_taur (39) -> intersex_taur (1086)

Reason: last one

I think these BURs should have been made into their own thread(s), otherwise they can get overlooked for approvals or discussion.

Hugely in favor of validdating all [gender]_[form] tags. They are useful in a way that [gender] + [form] simply is not.
Gender is one of the main factors in whether or not a piece will be appealing to someone, with form being right up there with it. We acknowledge that the gender of pred/prey in vore matters enough to tag, or that people looking for a specific body type probably want to see that body type on a specific gender. How is the form considered less important?
It's like saying "Why have male/female when male female gives the same results?"

Hope these BUR's will finally go through, and offering my help for tagging when it finally does

Have long been annoyed by the lack of form + gender combos.

maplebytes said:
I think these BURs should have been made into their own thread(s), otherwise they can get overlooked for approvals or discussion.

I thought if I had made a separate thread people would have said I should've included them in this one lol

My BURs are a continuation of the OP anyway

The bulk update request #5105 (forum #369043) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #5238 (forum #371196) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #5239 (forum #371197) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #5240 (forum #371198) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6692 is active.

create implication female_human (10763) -> female (2972765)
create implication female_human (10763) -> human (436618)
create implication male_human (22893) -> male (2968640)
create implication male_human (22893) -> human (436618)
create alias human_male (0) -> male_human (22893)
create alias human_female (0) -> female_human (10763)

Reason: followup

EDIT: The bulk update request #6692 (forum #391950) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6692 (forum #391950) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6694 is active.

create implication male_feral (17362) -> male (2968640)
create implication male_feral (17362) -> feral (705574)
create implication female_feral (17259) -> female (2972765)
create implication female_feral (17259) -> feral (705574)
create alias feral_boy (3) -> male_feral (17362)
create alias feral_girl (2) -> female_feral (17259)

Reason: i forgor 💀

EDIT: The bulk update request #6694 (forum #391965) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6700 is active.

Reason: If you're doing this, then set up the aliases for the reverse word order.

This is a bit of a test for me to see what happens. Some of these will need their existing alias broken.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6700 (forum #391987) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6701 is active.

remove alias feral_female (0) -> female (2972765)
remove alias feral_male (0) -> male (2968640)
remove alias feral_gynomorph (0) -> gynomorph (231034)
remove alias feral_andromorph (0) -> andromorph (29218)
remove alias feral_intersex (0) -> intersex (295283)
remove alias feral_herm (0) -> herm (31499)
remove alias feral_maleherm (0) -> maleherm (5504)

Reason: Remove existing aliases that I tripped over. Undoes topic #27467.

Alias the reverse word order part 1.5

As an aside, isn't it redundant to fill out the whole unalias aaa -> bbb when tags can only have one alias (I hope)? unalias aaa should be enough, and the site should be able to autofill the rest?

EDIT: The bulk update request #6701 (forum #391988) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6694 (forum #391965) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6700 (forum #391987) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6701 (forum #391988) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6705 is active.

create alias feral_male (0) -> male_feral (17362)
create alias feral_female (0) -> female_feral (17259)
create alias feral_ambiguous (0) -> ambiguous_feral (6170)
create alias feral_intersex (0) -> intersex_feral (910)
create alias feral_gynomorph (0) -> gynomorph_feral (190)
create alias feral_andromorph (0) -> andromorph_feral (14)
create alias feral_herm (0) -> herm_feral (663)
create alias feral_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_feral (31)
create alias taur_male (0) -> male_taur (778)
create alias taur_female (0) -> female_taur (1680)
create alias taur_ambiguous (0) -> ambiguous_taur (20)
create alias taur_intersex (0) -> intersex_taur (1086)
create alias taur_gynomorph (0) -> gynomorph_taur (643)
create alias taur_andromorph (0) -> andromorph_taur (66)
create alias taur_herm (0) -> herm_taur (338)
create alias taur_maleherm (0) -> maleherm_taur (39)

Reason: Final part

EDIT: The bulk update request #6705 (forum #392011) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6705 (forum #392011) has been approved by @slyroon.