Implicating musclegut -> chubby.

Reason: implies a gut

A tag implication you submitted (musclegut → chubby) was deleted for the following reason: when chubby and other fatness tags were less defined, this worked ok. But they've since been more defined, and the amount of gut can sometimes be "chubby" or sometimes be more gut than that so this implication no longer works. If anything, it should probably be implicated to belly instead, because that's more directly about there being a pronounced gut. But that should probably be discussed first. Discovered that this implication no longer works while doing the research for this thread https://e621.net/forum/show/153346?page=1#post-153348 though it only is tengentially related

I'm confused. The wiki definitions of 'chubby' and 'musclegut' led me to create this implication. Are the wikis wrong? What's the problem here?

All tags relating to muscles (and incidentally to overweight) characters are a bit up in the air right now, and the wikis are even more so. The wiki for musclegut is straight up wrong at the moment. It's just because things are in a process of change. It'll get fixed up soon, we just need to discuss everything first to make sure we're all on the right track.

The big thing with this tag is that a character with a muscle gut is not always going to be a chubby character. For example:
post #578492 has a nice musclegut, but isn't chubby.
post #584903 same here.

The reason it used to work but doesn't now (I think) is because characters used to be able to have a chubby belly, but still be muscular. But now chubby has been turned into a body type, and you can't have more than one body type on a character. For example, that first image can't be both muscly and chubby anymore. You can only be one, the other, or neither, but not both.

toboe said:
I'm confused. The wiki definitions of 'chubby' and 'musclegut' led me to create this implication. Are the wikis wrong? What's the problem here?

Don't worry. I believe it's not meant to be a slap against you nor a criticism of your implication as it was a valid one when you made it. But Furrypickle realized musclegut's definition may need to be redefined considering the current rethinking of muscularity types, so de-implicated it as a precaution.