The tag alias #61888 consensual_non_consent -> rape_play has been approved.

Reason: Equivalent meanings. "Consensual non-consent" (a.k.a. CNC) is actually the term most generally used by people who actually practice this kink in real life, at least nowadays, but personally i'm content with rape_play being the canonical tag since it's not unheard of for it to be called such in real life (there's discussion about including 'consensual' right in the name of a kink being a sign of insecurity surrounding it, iirc) and it's clearly the better-understood term here. Other opinions are very welcome on that point, though

EDIT: The tag alias consensual_non_consent -> rape_play (forum #361918) has been approved by @slyroon.

Hmm... Most of these are tagged based on external knowledge, raising questions about the validity of the tags. That being said, there are some instances where the fact that it's roleplay can be readily verified from the picture's dialogue, and this is a real-life kink that some people may want to search for, so I'm not exactly a huge fan of nuking it, though that would be understandable. If we keep the tag, I have no particular preference for which name is better.

crocogator said:
Hmm... Most of these are tagged based on external knowledge, raising questions about the validity of the tags. That being said, there are some instances where the fact that it's roleplay can be readily verified from the picture's dialogue, and this is a real-life kink that some people may want to search for, so I'm not exactly a huge fan of nuking it, though that would be understandable. If we keep the tag, I have no particular preference for which name is better.

The thing is, text is considered External knowledge, aka not TWYS, If I remember correctly

cutefox123 said:
The thing is, text is considered External knowledge, aka not TWYS, If I remember correctly

I don't believe so, otherwise explicitly_stated_nonconsent wouldn't be valid...

kyiiel said:
I don't believe so, otherwise explicitly_stated_nonconsent wouldn't be valid...

We can tag information about the text itself, but text isn't a substitute for TWYS. If a character looks ambiguous, they're tagged ambiguous_gender even if they say they're female or male or whatever. So if something looks like rape, it should be tagged rape even if the dialog suggests it's consensual.

cutefox123 said:
The thing is, text is considered External knowledge, aka not TWYS, If I remember correctly

The way I understand it, text shouldn't be taken into account in case it contradicts visual cues.
I.e: cub character saying they're 18. = Text contradicts visual, so discard it.

Dunno what to say in this context of rape_play though.

yeah, getting the tag nuked altogether was obviously not really what i was going for by creating this, although that's ultimately kind of immaterial if removing the tag ends up being the appropriate action. i just don't think it is; i've looked at a number of the posts myself to judge what crocogator said about and from what i'm seeing, a not insignificant amount do have it right in the dialogue or otherwise apparent in the image, and some have clarification in the description, though the latter probably doesn't count as enough to have something tagged as CNC rather than rape. (i've certainly seen other instances of stuff on here being tagged a certain way based on information present in the description and not the image (and i'm not talking just about lore tags like incest), but i realize that's not actually correct tagging as according to TWYS)

though, save for dialogue, it seems it can sometimes be pretty tough in general for people to figure out based solely on the image whether to tag stuff as rape or questionable_consent, or even down to just rough_sex or something without relying on external info like the artist's own tagging or description on the work. i've seen some stuff that didn't match up with my own instinct of how i'd tag it were i to have uploaded it, but left it alone because i'm not gonna re-tag something just based on vibes

crocogator said:
and this is a real-life kink that some people may want to search for,

opened this request because i'm people

I'm not very familiar with the kink, but based on the current usages of the tag that seem valid to me, I propose keeping the tag and creating a Wiki like this:

Use this tag when characters are clearly engaging in rape roleplay, rather than actual rape. There are several ways this can be made clear:

• The "rapist" could check in on if the "victim" is doing ok (see: consent_themes)
• The roleplay could be briefly interrupted somehow: "Ugh, did the rope get untied again? Wait a sec..."
• A character could ask to not be raped in a way that's clearly not genuine: "Oh no! Don't rape me with your big juicy cock and make me cum!"
• A character could slyly suggest the other character rapes them: "You know, there's totally nothing stopping you from forcing your cock down my throat right now..."

See also

• rape
• questionable_consent
• consent_themes
• explicitly_stated_consent
• explicitly_stated_nonconsent

EDIT (6/17/23): I added the wiki.

I'm more in favor of using rapeplay than consensual non-consent. While both are tagging fake rape being used as fetish fuel, rapeplay isn't an unnecessary oxymoron.

m3g4p0n1 said:
The way I understand it, text shouldn't be taken into account in case it contradicts visual cues.
I.e: cub character saying they're 18. = Text contradicts visual, so discard it.

Dunno what to say in this context of rape_play though.

Ah that makes sense, I didn't think about text that contradicts the image.

If a character appears ambiguous, but text says he's male, would it be tagged male since there's no contradiction?

I guess to me text has also been a visual cue if something is hard to determine... so I might have to correct that.

crocogator said:
I'm not very familiar with the kink, but based on the current usages of the tag that seem valid to me, I propose keeping the tag and creating a Wiki like this:

this is a pretty good summary of the kinds of thing i've seen on here that the tag represents, imo. i considered earlier, before creating this AR, filling out rape_play's wiki page (currently empty) to explain the kink to a hypothetical user not in the know and that's better than anything i would've come up with.

kyiiel said:
If a character appears ambiguous, but text says he's male, would it be tagged male since there's no contradiction?

No they would be tagged ambiguous_gender. See post #1166082.

fwiw, CNC irl refers to any situation where the sub consents for the dom to have the power to go beyond usual limits and possibly even safewords. it doesn't necessarily imply literally rape. it likely would imply forced though.

that being said, i don't think there's any clear way to be able to differentiate what is and isn't CNC unless it's made clear via dialogue or background details or something. in fact, out of the 9, i only see 1 that makes me think CNC.

post #3971713 i don't see anything in the image that implies cnc. maybe dubious_consent

post #3751808 same the rest look generally like actual rape.

imho out of the 9 tags, post #1369019 is about as close as you can get i think.

so this is probably fine, since rapeplay is likely the only form of cnc that we'll be able to see without lots and lots of exposition in the image.

i'm not going to push the issue too much (this reminds me of the whole thread on what constitutes a "forced orgasm", where the irl commonly accepted kink definition doesn't/didn't match e621's) but i wanted to raise the point for your consideration. i think this is more of a niche than forced_orgasm, which is any situation where the sub doesn't have direct control over the duration/strength of the stimulation (and that can be inferred from the image--e.g., bondage + a toy tied in place)

edit: formatting.

cutefox123 said:
The thing is, text is considered External knowledge, aka not TWYS, If I remember correctly

There's some situations this kinda sucks for, CNC/rape play being one of them. I happen to like CNC scenes where dialogue shows it's consensual play and it would really suck to not be able to search for them. Dialogue written in the image is part of the image and it should be taggable imo :P (as long as it doesn't directly contradict other parts of the image, like the character age example)

The tag alias consensual_non_consent -> rape_play (forum #361918) has been approved by @slyroon.