Aliasing flames → fire
Link to alias

Reason:

Flame is aliased, but this isn't.

The alias was done several years ago. If by now we consider flames to have sufficiently different usage we should move the flame alias from fire to flames instead. I'm not sure we really need it, but it's worth mentioning

Related aliases:

• explode -> explosion
• explodes -> explosion
• explosions -> explosion
• exploding -> explosion
• explosive -> explosives - Normally I'd suggest singular, but that's common as both adjective and noun. Since our usage would almost certainly be the noun form in practice (i.e., some dynamite), we may as well use the plural.

Edit - Completely unrelated aliases:

• fawn -> young edit: cub
• puppies -/> young
• puppies -> cub

parasprite said:
Edit - Completely unrelated alias:

• fawn -> young

Why put that here? o.o

Furrin_Gok said:
Why put that here? o.o

That's where we dump the species-specific "children" tags (although it should actually go to cub now that I think of it). The reasoning is that it will probably get tagged deer (dog/horse/etc.) either way, and cub is our blanket "animal-young" tag which takes priority.

Ok, all approved.

I was a little unsure about aliasing away flames, but when I looked into it, I realised that most of it is just visible fire, and the few that are the flame pattern in markings or clothing can actually be tagged with flame_pattern instead. Which is a more accurate way to tag them anyways. So I tagged those out into there before approving the alias.

I also added two implications of dynamite and bomb implicated to --> explosives. And I agree that using the plural in this instance does make it more clear which usage it means.

furrypickle said:
I also added two implications of dynamite and bomb implicated to --> explosives. And I agree that using the plural in this instance does make it more clear which usage it means.

And while we're here, why not...

rpg, grenade, tnt (Not the same thing as dynamite), mine → explosives

I love destruction

RPG is more commonly tagged for role-playing games. I've been meaning to disambiguate it, just haven't figured out how...

I'm not too familiar with weapons, and there's so many types of role-playing games (tabletop, mmorpg, crpg, jrpg, etc.) that lumping all of those under the role-playing_game tag doesn't seem to work.

Durandal said:
And while we're here, why not...

rpg, grenade, tnt (Not the same thing as dynamite), mine → explosives

I love destruction

Grenade and tnt I'll implicate in about a minute, no problems and good suggestions.

However, mine and rpg will need some tag solutions first. rpg has both "role playing game" and "rocket propelled grade" currently sharing the tag. And mine has both "mining for precious ores in tunnels deep under ground" and "land mine as an explosive device" meanings sharing the tag. So that stuff will have to be settled first before any implications with any form of those tags can happen.

furrypickle said:
I love that we have someone in the forums who is more familiar with this area of interest, very helpful.

Thank you.

What might not be a bad idea is changing RPG to a disambiguation for role-playing game and rocket-propelled grenade, but I didn't think that role-playing game would even be a tag (I personally haven't seen it tagged that way).
Edit: I think a better solution would be to just alias RPG to rocket_propelled_grenade. Unless someone can convince me that we need a role_playing_game tag.

The "Digging for resources" definition of mine should be mining (which can technically refer to planting mines, but really, who's going to tag that?), and mine should refer to explosives. If not, we could use land/sea mine, but I don't think that's necessary.

Edit: I didn't completely think that through. A mine could just refer to a mine shaft, which wouldn't have any mining going on. That does complicate things. Maybe land_mine and sea_mine isn't such a bad idea?

Durandal said:
Edit: I think a better solution would be to just alias to rocket_propelled_grenade.

Against. It's tagged more often for games than weapons, so aliasing it there wouldn't work. The only reason why there's so many rocket launchers left is because I have no idea where to disambiguate those, while I've moved some roleplaying posts elsewhere over the years. (Have already tried tackling that tag at least twice.)

It should be turned into a disambiguation tag. I suppose the weapons could be moved to rocket_propelled_grenade, but that's pretty long. Would something like rpg_launcher work instead?

Genjar said:
Would something like rpg_launcher work instead?

Possibly. But RPG can refer to both the launcher and the actual rocket.

Genjar said:
Against. It's tagged more often for games than weapons, so aliasing it there wouldn't work. The only reason why there's so many rocket launchers left is because I have no idea where to disambiguate those, while I've moved some roleplaying posts elsewhere over the years. (Have already tried tackling that tag at least twice.)

It should be turned into a disambiguation tag. I suppose the weapons could be moved to rocket_propelled_grenade, but that's pretty long. Would something like rpg_launcher work instead?

Durandal said:
Possibly. But RPG can refer to both the launcher and the actual rocket.

Well...technically. But who's going to think it means "role-playing_game_launcher"? I think rpg_launcher would work.

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And I agree with aliasing rpg to rpg_(disambiguation) since it's always going to get both uses, with both sides thinking the meaning is obvious. That's the shortcoming with acronyms in general. I can do that now.

Any ideas on how to solve the mine issue? The only thing I can think of is to maybe call the explosive kind "explosive_mines". It's at least clear (not likely to be mistaken for the coal etc type of "mine").

furrypickle said:
Well...technically. But who's going to think it means "role-playing_game_launcher"? I think rpg_launcher would work.

I guess the projectiles can just be tagged rocket (Most of the images tagged RPG had launchers that weren't tagged anyway). By the way, there's a lot of overlap between RPG and RPG-7.

furrypickle said:
Any ideas on how to solve the mine issue? The only thing I can think of is to maybe call the explosive kind "explosive_mines". It's at least clear (not likely to be mistaken for the coal etc type of "mine").

Well, I wouldn't expect anybody to be confused as to what a "Sea_mine" is, but knowing this site, that would probably be applied to undersea mining operations or something stupid like that. So I like your idea.

Anyway, I cut and pasted the wiki page for RPG, so that can be changed now

Durandal said:
I guess the projectiles can just be tagged rocket (Most of the images tagged RPG had launchers that weren't tagged anyway).

Well, I wouldn't expect anybody to be confused as to what a "Sea_mine" is, but knowing this site, that would probably be applied to undersea mining operations or something stupid like that. So I like your idea.

Btw, what do you think/know about the rpg-7 tag? I just stumbled across it. Is it a type of rpg_launcher? And is it valuable to keep and implicate to --> rpg_launcher? Or should it be aliased to rpg_launcher as being too overly specific of a model? I don't know too much about weapons, but you seem to. I figured you'd probably have as good a guess as any what the best option is for it.

furrypickle said:
Btw, what do you think/know about the rpg-7 tag? I just stumbled across it. Is it a type of rpg_launcher? And is it valuable to keep and implicate to --> rpg_launcher? Or should it be aliased to rpg_launcher as being too overly specific of a model? I don't know too much about weapons, but you seem to. I figured you'd probably have as good a guess as any what the best option is for it.

The RPG-7 is probably the most (in)famous explosive weapon in history, being used by the the Soviets, the Viet Cong, the Taliban, and just about every other group America didn't befriend (and a lot that it did). The number of media appearances are pretty staggering and I've seen it a lot on this site. It's the go-to "Bad guy" big gun. I'd say it's worth keeping.

furrypickle said:
Btw, what do you think/know about the rpg-7 tag? I just stumbled across it. Is it a type of rpg_launcher? And is it valuable to keep and implicate to --> rpg_launcher? Or should it be aliased to rpg_launcher as being too overly specific of a model? I don't know too much about weapons, but you seem to. I figured you'd probably have as good a guess as any what the best option is for it.

I am honestly surprised it has only five posts. You've gotta take my word for it; it's under-tagged. Obscenely under-tagged. I assure you that when most people around the world hear about a "Rocket launcher," the RPG-7 is what comes to mind.
I'll add the tag where necessary (so it can be invalidated in three years when the EDF-administration takes our gun tags)

furrypickle said:
And I agree with aliasing rpg to rpg_(disambiguation) since it's always going to get both uses, with both sides thinking the meaning is obvious. That's the shortcoming with acronyms in general. I can do that now.

Excellent. Though we might still need to figure out what exactly to do with the role-playing_game tag.

Tabletop RPGs don't have much in common with CRPGs, so moving both under the same tag might create a mess... But for now, I'll move the game-related ones there (if there's no other tags that fit better). It can be split later if needed.

furrypickle said:
I think rpg_launcher would work.

I didn't mean to stay on this subject for so long, so you'll have to forgive me for this, but I missed something pretty obvious; rpg_launcher, under this definition, is nearly identical to rocket_launcher.
RPG launcher is more technically accurate to what it's usually used for on this site, but rocket launcher is a broader term that doesn't use acronyms, so...

Durandal said:
I didn't mean to stay on this subject for so long, so you'll have to forgive me for this, but I missed something pretty obvious; rpg_launcher, under this definition, is nearly identical to rocket_launcher.
RPG launcher is more technically accurate to what it's usually used for on this site, but rocket launcher is a broader term that doesn't use acronyms, so...

I was actually just about to ask you what the difference between rpg_launcher, rocket_launcher. I was wondering they maybe overlapped and if we need both. So, do you think aliasing rpg_launcher to --> rocket_launcher and moving the implication of rpg-7 to go to --> rocket_launcher instead would be good enough?

furrypickle said:
I was actually just about to ask you what the difference between rpg_launcher, rocket_launcher. I was wondering they maybe overlapped and if we need both. So, do you think aliasing rpg_launcher to --> rocket_launcher and moving the implication of rpg-7 to go to --> rocket_launcher instead would be good enough?

Sounds good to me. It should be noted that "Rocket launcher" is just a much more vague term that includes things like, well, space rocket launchers. But I don't think that really matters.
Come to think of it, I don't think there's a way to distinguish rocket-propelled grenades and space rockets with tagging, but I doubt there are enough posts of either for that to matter, so whatever.

Durandal said:
Sounds good to me. It should be noted that "Rocket launcher" is just a much more vague term that includes things like, well, space rocket launchers. But I don't think that really matters.
Come to think of it, I don't think there's a way to distinguish rocket-propelled grenades and space rockets with tagging, but I doubt there are enough posts of either for that to matter, so whatever.

Ok, so aliased rpg_launcher to --> rocket_launcher and moved the implication of rpg-7 to --> rocket_launcher. Having that as an implication makes even more sense now that we've gone to the slightly more general "rocket_launcher".

I also cleaned up mine to be only the coal/minerals kind, moved all of the explosive kind to explosive_mines and then implicated explosive_mines to --> explosives.

Genjar said:
Excellent. Though we might still need to figure out what exactly to do with the role-playing_game tag.

Tabletop RPGs don't have much in common with CRPGs, so moving both under the same tag might create a mess... But for now, I'll move the game-related ones there (if there's no other tags that fit better). It can be split later if needed.

To be quite honest, I'm not quite sure how broad the tag should be. I think it should directly be showing a role-playing_game in some way. Though how to define that is beyond my expertise.

I know video_games is more broad and includes characters that originated from a videogame, but I honestly think that's a bit of a nightmare and not very useful to have a tag for that wide of usage and would still love to split it. Not probably going to happen any time soon though. I think that "character from an rpg" would be better if we really need to tag those though. Not sure we even need to though, since the nature of rpg's is inspired very heavily from fantasy in general, so there'd be a lot of overlap it seems like.

furrypickle said:
Ok, so aliased rpg_launcher to --> rocket_launcher and moved the implication of rpg-7 to --> rocket_launcher. Having that as an implication makes even more sense now that we've gone to the slightly more general "rocket_launcher".

I also cleaned up mine to be only the coal/minerals kind, moved all of the explosive kind to explosive_mines and then implicated explosive_mines to --> explosives.

To be quite honest, I'm not quite sure how broad the tag should be. I think it should directly be showing a role-playing_game in some way. Though how to define that is beyond my expertise.

I know video_games is more broad and includes characters that originated from a videogame, but I honestly think that's a bit of a nightmare and not very useful to have a tag for that wide of usage and would still love to split it. Not probably going to happen any time soon though. I think that "character from an rpg" would be better if we really need to tag those though. Not sure we even need to though, since the nature of rpg's is inspired very heavily from fantasy in general, so there'd be a lot of overlap it seems like.

Any particular reason for using plural?
Well anyway, I don't think rocket_launcher should necessarily imply explosives. As for rpg games, I think the tag should apply to images that showcase RPG elements, like enemy health bars, stats, and stuff
but nobody would tag that correctly

Durandal said:
Any particular reason for using plural?
Well anyway, I don't think rocket_launcher should necessarily imply explosives. As for rpg games, I think the tag should apply to images that showcase RPG elements, like enemy health bars, stats, and stuff
but nobody would tag that correctly

Mainly because I wanted to create some distance from just a coal mine explosion getting tagged "explosive_mine". Making it plural seemed to make it less likely to get misread.
And I was thinking similarly about rocket_launcher. It just shoots explosives, but doesn't always mean explosives are currently visible just because you can see the launcher. So yeah, I was going to leave it unimplicated for now.

We actually already have separate tags health_bar and gui ("game user interface," so menus, hit points, inventory slots, etc etc). so I'm not sure we need it for that. But I could see some use for role-playing_game as when someone's playing a tabletop rpg like dungeons and dragons and/or the equipment is visible, or if a comic is parodying rpg games, etc. Those at least seem like a couple of legitimate uses.