Art generated completely by artificial intelligence is banned, which I agree with. However, apparently art created with AI assistance is also not allowed—for example, post #3787350 is currently flagged for deletion because AI assisted in its coloring. This seems excessive to me, considering the uncolored version of the image presumably would have been allowed—there's enough human-produced content there to justify posting it.

Unless there's a compelling reason for a blanket ban, I think a better approach would be to take AI-assisted art on a case-by-case basis. Agree or disagree?

I think the fact we have a new site focused on AI stuff on the works is enough reason to not allow any AI content.

If someone wants to look at AI assisted artwork, they can search only tags that show that, on e6ai, once/if the site develops it's own tagging culture for folks who only partially use AI in their artworks.

vulpes_artifex said:
Art generated completely by artificial intelligence is banned, which I agree with. However, apparently art created with AI assistance is also not allowed—for example, post #3787350 is currently flagged for deletion because AI assisted in its coloring. This seems excessive to me, considering the uncolored version of the image presumably would have been allowed—there's enough human-produced content there to justify posting it.

Unless there's a compelling reason for a blanket ban, I think a better approach would be to take AI-assisted art on a case-by-case basis. Agree or disagree?

I doubt AI only assists in the color of post #3787350, it looks quite AI-generated.
Also, the current policy allows ai in some degree:

AI Generated content: No AI generated, or AI assisted artwork.
Exceptions are currently for backgrounds (treated like using a photo as a background, quality rules apply), for artwork that references, but does not directly use, AI generated content, and for full paintovers.

https://e621.net/wiki_pages/uploading_guidelines#bad

AI coloring posts, if you could call that one that, would be like Waifu2x posts. Do it yourself on your own, keep only the original here.

AI backgrounds are OK, and probably better than putting some junk photo in the background with no editing.

post #3304313 post #3349981

I think we should be able to post Ai art here. Think of how many people would love it. ❤️

diretheewerewolf said:
I think we should be able to post Ai art here. Think of how many people would love it. ❤️

No we wouldn't. You have e6ai.net for that

diretheewerewolf said:
I think we should be able to post Ai art here. Think of how many people would love it. ❤️

Have you ever seen the comments section of AI art when it gets posted here?

diretheewerewolf said:
I think we should be able to post Ai art here. Think of how many people would love it. ❤️

There's every reason that generative software should be cool, I'd imagine a lot of people can imagine detailed art pieces that they don't have the mechanical skill to create, but that's not what Stable Diffusion is. Without general AI that understands a wide range of concepts and can think on its own (large language models do not count, a general AI should never accept "9 + 10 = 21" as truth no matter how many times you repeat it), we'll never quite get ethical image generation.
Rather than creating images according to precise input or recreating artistic principles, it generates random noise and then iterates on that noise until it has something vaguely resembling your prompt. In addition to the concerns about unlicensed usage of art as training data, most generations are just kind of crap and lack any sense of artistic intentionality.
Speaking unofficially, this kind of unintentionality makes AI image generations extremely unfit for a curated art archive.

A lot of people also use it dishonestly, trying to pass generations off as manual work in spite of obvious inconsistencies; building a fake portfolio to steal money from others; or doing awful edits to obfuscate the image's true nature by applying filters, adding low-effort speech bubbles, etc.

lance_armstrong said:
AI coloring posts, if you could call that one that, would be like Waifu2x posts. Do it yourself on your own, keep only the original here.

AI backgrounds are OK, and probably better than putting some junk photo in the background with no editing.

post #3304313 post #3349981

I don’t want to gravedig (and sorry if I’m breaking rules by asking the question here), but are AI backgrounds fine in general?

f4ephantom said:
I don’t want to gravedig (and sorry if I’m breaking rules by asking the question here), but are AI backgrounds fine in general?

on Bad Things to Upload

vulpes_artifex said:
This seems excessive to me, considering the uncolored version of the image presumably would have been allowed—there's enough human-produced content there to justify posting it.

Should've posted the uncolored version created by a human then :P

technical-grid said:
No we wouldn't. You have e6ai.net for that

You also have a Blacklist if you don't wanna see AI art. Another site was not needed, it's a waste, and honestly just annoying to have to go to another site, when I like my art mixed in altogether when I search things. I would prefer if people just blacklisted tags instead of complaining because they have nothing better to do. Don't ruin it for the rest of us because you have an opinion. If we made a site for everything someone got offended with we'd have another domain for every single tag on this site. Gore, Beastiality, Loli, Etc. The list could go forever. E6AI was a stupid choice. It's like they avoided a feature they added to the site themselves.

diretheewerewolf said:
I think we should be able to post Ai art here. Think of how many people would love it. ❤️

I agree. Besides, if someone doesn't want to see AI content, they can blacklist it, that's what it is for. They didn't need to make a whole new site/domain and make it unnecessarily annoying for us who like AI art. And many like AI art mixed with our normal art. I don't often specifically want to see AI art, I want it to show up with everything else when I look up a few tags. I want them in my favorites with everything else

swiftcoalmay said:
You also have a Blacklist if you don't wanna see AI art. Another site was not needed, it's a waste, and honestly just annoying to have to go to another site, when I like my art mixed in altogether when I search things. I would prefer if people just blacklisted tags instead of complaining because they have nothing better to do. Don't ruin it for the rest of us because you have an opinion. If we made a site for everything someone got offended with we'd have another domain for every single tag on this site. Gore, Beastiality, Loli, Etc. The list could go forever. E6AI was a stupid choice. It's like they avoided a feature they added to the site themselves.

I believe that the large majority of the staff here wanted nothing to do with moderating AI art. I don't really see an issue with separating it onto another site.

Inkbunny is pretty much as you describe, with AI art requiring tagging, pretty much for blacklist purposes.

quenir said:
I believe that the large majority of the staff here wanted nothing to do with moderating AI art. I don't really see an issue with separating it onto another site.

Inkbunny is pretty much as you describe, with AI art requiring tagging, pretty much for blacklist purposes.

Yeah, no one wanted to deal with it at all, from what I remember. Also, if you look at sites that allowed AI art, they have just pages and pages and pages of spammed low-effort images. Another issue was the resources used to have it here. Even with the same management, it was like e926 where there's a separate domain. Having a second database and storage was not a large further reach.

quenir said:
I believe that the large majority of the staff here wanted nothing to do with moderating AI art. I don't really see an issue with separating it onto another site.

Inkbunny is pretty much as you describe, with AI art requiring tagging, pretty much for blacklist purposes.

Honestly really, I like the looks and the UI of E6, but at this point I like some other sites more recently because I'm kinda tired of this site. I like the mixes I get from Booru, or Inkbunny. They made better choices honestly. Or maybe they are just less lazy and didn't shortcut moderating. Lately I've been using Booru more and more as I find some artists where half their work isn't allowed here. Or when I want more results to a tag Booru has tons more. I like AI art, I just don't like when it gets used wrong, but you can't stop that. Humans will find a way to abuse anything. And I hate that they add a Blacklist to the site, but Defeat the purpose and make a separate site. One of the tags I looked on here has 28K Images. E6AI has 121 total. Would be nice to have that mixed in with the 28K, and you can single that 121 out by adding AI to the tag search, or Blacklist AI to avoid those 121 images. I looked it up on Booru, way more than both. I don't think E6AI will get much posted on it because people like E621 and Booru and Inkbunny better. Heck, I've even seen some art here sourced directly from Inkbunny. And I know I'm not the only one with these thoughts as I've talked with others before. Some who already left E621 and don't return because they prefer the other sites. E621 could have more users but they are losing many with dumb choices that are just lazy and not well thought out. Look at the successes and failures around you and learn from them, and honestly I think E6 is on the failing end to learn from. The numbers go up and down, but traffic to E621 has been dropping very slowly according to just about every website traffic tracking sites.

swiftcoalmay said:
Honestly really, I like the looks and the UI of E6, but at this point I like some other sites more recently because I'm kinda tired of this site. I like the mixes I get from Booru, or Inkbunny. They made better choices honestly. Or maybe they are just less lazy and didn't shortcut moderating. Lately I've been using Booru more and more as I find some artists where half their work isn't allowed here. Or when I want more results to a tag Booru has tons more. I like AI art, I just don't like when it gets used wrong, but you can't stop that. Humans will find a way to abuse anything. And I hate that they add a Blacklist to the site, but Defeat the purpose and make a separate site. One of the tags I looked on here has 28K Images. E6AI has 121 total. Would be nice to have that mixed in with the 28K, and you can single that 121 out by adding AI to the tag search, or Blacklist AI to avoid those 121 images. I looked it up on Booru, way more than both. I don't think E6AI will get much posted on it because people like E621 and Booru and Inkbunny better. Heck, I've even seen some art here sourced directly from Inkbunny. And I know I'm not the only one with these thoughts as I've talked with others before. Some who already left E621 and don't return because they prefer the other sites. E621 could have more users but they are losing many with dumb choices that are just lazy and not well thought out. Look at the successes and failures around you and learn from them, and honestly I think E6 is on the failing end to learn from. The numbers go up and down, but traffic to E621 has been dropping very slowly according to just about every website traffic tracking sites.

Lmfao, just go to another site then.
We have to endlessly keep expanding the staff team to deal with the ever-increasing workload, but sure, the site is dying. Whatever you say.

swiftcoalmay said:
Honestly really, I like the looks and the UI of E6, but at this point I like some other sites more recently because I'm kinda tired of this site.

Stopped reading here.

If you like AI slop so much then go to e6ai. I'm not gonna knock new technologies and I'm not gonna go into a whole song and dance about AI. We've all had this discussion multiple times and none of the staff nor the core frequent users want AI art cluttering the gallery. This site is to showcase ART, first and foremost, and the demand for well-crafted art that inspires, excites and/or titilates is always going to be present, ergo the demand for an art-driven site to showcase talented artists in the fandom will always be there.

e621 picked a lane, others picked theirs, end of story.

In general I'm against AI artwork since the principle behind it is that some model was fed data exploited from unconsenting artists to make companies even more disgustingly rich.

With that said thought I do believe AI assisted artwork is a different topic, though feel free to correct me. 2D animations hasn't been as popular these days in the Creative world ever since 3D technology evolve to the point that Asset Recycling & rigging is now the norms for places like Disneys, all due to how simple it make the process. Of course obviously their probably tech out that tries to mirror that when it comes to Digital drawings (I'm not a artist so I wouldn't know what those be lol) However I think assistance from clippy wouldn't hurt when it possible things like accurate measurement and body readjustment per comic panel might be useful, at least convenient vs having to buy professional tools like Adobe and get through the learning curve to move a arm 5 degrees up. We already acknowledge it could useful for backgrounds, just seem like the next logical step.

supermarcopolo said:
In general I'm against AI artwork since the principle behind it is that some model was fed data exploited from unconsenting artists to make companies even more disgustingly rich.

With that said thought I do believe AI assisted artwork is a different topic, though feel free to correct me. 2D animations hasn't been as popular these days in the Creative world ever since 3D technology evolve to the point that Asset Recycling & rigging is now the norms for places like Disneys, all due to how simple it make the process. Of course obviously their probably tech out that tries to mirror that when it comes to Digital drawings (I'm not a artist so I wouldn't know what those be lol) However I think assistance from clippy wouldn't hurt when it possible things like accurate measurement and body readjustment per comic panel might be useful, at least convenient vs having to buy professional tools like Adobe and get through the learning curve to move a arm 5 degrees up. We already acknowledge it could useful for backgrounds, just seem like the next logical step.

You've got a much, much better than on this than @CopperAlloy did, because all he chose to do was joke about it:

https://e621.net/posts/4190956#comment-7550579

"This is all too funny lmao. “Noooo you can’t let AI draw humanoid planes with unusually large asses and boobs noooo!!!!!”"

I'll admit I've been letting this user's words bother me for quite some time, but I think it's because there are so many users on this website alone who just don't understand the magnitude of the situations surrounding AI art. They just don't seem to understand how big a problem this has become on other websites since it AI art isn't as rampant on this one.

hoghthehogh said:
You've got a much, much better than on this than @CopperAlloy did, because all he chose to do was joke about it:

https://e621.net/posts/4190956#comment-7550579

"This is all too funny lmao. “Noooo you can’t let AI draw humanoid planes with unusually large asses and boobs noooo!!!!!”"

I'll admit I've been letting this user's words bother me for quite some time, but I think it's because there are so many users on this website alone who just don't understand the magnitude of the situations surrounding AI art. They just don't seem to understand how big a problem this has become on other websites since it AI art isn't as rampant on this one.

Kinda odd singling out one specific user in multiple threads, don't you think?

technical-grid said:
No we wouldn't. You have e6ai.net for that

I like how they made it a different site. I don't like seeing 87 fingers on one hand.

I have a question. Why is cub art allowed on E621, but not on e6ai?

lupus_vulpes said:
I have a question. Why is cub art allowed on E621, but not on e6ai?

Parent company didn't want the hassle of more negative attention placed on them for having another site hosting young -rating:s content and the people with the influence to advocate for such content don't particularly care for AI

lupus_vulpes said:
I have a question. Why is cub art allowed on E621, but not on e6ai?

Why are you asking here? We don't share staff with e6ai, we can't answer that question, go ask them

srannbvx said:
I like how they made it a different site. I don't like seeing 87 fingers on one hand.

Was bumping a 3 month dead thread just to say that necessary?

But since I'm here...

lupus_vulpes said:
I have a question. Why is cub art allowed on E621, but not on e6ai?

Take your pick between;

• inability/impracticality to vet training sets for pics
• possible serious legal liability
• we said so
• avoiding extra scrutiny and heat on an already unpopular topic

That's off the top of my ahead, I'm sure there's more reasons, regardless of how I personally feel about the topic. There's a couple threads over there if you want to read them.
https://e6ai.net/forum_topics/25
https://e6ai.net/forum_topics/50
https://e6ai.net/forum_topics/66
https://e6ai.net/forum_topics/124

donovan_dmc said:
Why are you asking here? We don't share staff with e6ai, we can't answer that question, go ask them

To be faaaair, NMNY and Rainbow Dash are admins on both, and Lance is a janitor on both. So there is a little overlap. They should still ask where it's actually relevant though

thatfennec said:
To be faaaair, NMNY and Rainbow Dash are admins on both, and Lance is a janitor on both. So there is a little overlap. They should still ask where it's actually relevant though

We had a few shared staff when that site started, yeah
Lance is the only one that stayed
As of right now we share no affairs with them, they're ran independently
The only thing we share is a parent company, so we're as closely intertwined with E6AI as we are with F-List