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Implication: drinking_urine -> watersports
Break implication: watersports -/> peeing
Implication: watersports -> urine
Alias: urophagia -> drinking_urine (not that anybody uses it).

Also approved these.

Though there's still a few of these tags that I'm not sure which way of implicating is best:

omorashi seems to be a hybrid tag for both wetting and desperation. Should it be split into those two tags instead? Or should those be implicated to it? Making it an umbrella tag for both of them seems like tag clutter though since it's not really adding anything. Plus we tend to steer away from the japanese terms in favor of english ones. And even though wetting and desperation play are related kinks, they are separate kinks and there's a lot of pictures which only have one and not the other.

Any thoughts?
And are there any other tags in this kink group that need to be implicated or addressed?

Omorashi, as I understand the kink, is about a desperate need to pee. Basically, it's right before or right when bladder control breaks. Most images of someone wetting themselves qualify, but so do other things. A character sprinting for a restroom, ripping their clothes off in their hurry to take a piss, or tense and whining about their need to escape a situation because they need to pee all qualify as omorashi. (Characters thought-bubbling about that need is even more popular than them vocalizing it, in part because situations in which the need can be clearly vocalized are also situations in which leaving abruptly is permitted for that purpose.)

I looked at desperation. It looks misused. It has no wiki page. Omorashi is pretty much defined by its sense of desperation, but if omorashi is set to implicate desperation, most of the content under the desperation tag would become omorashi content. I would recommend against this implication unless someone wants to trawl the archive for pictures depicting characters showing desperation of various kinds. It would be less work to nuke the desperation tag.

Nuke desperation.
Imply wetting -> urine

I'm not sure what to do with omorashi one way or the other though. Because most people blacklisting urine would also blacklist omorashi (if they knew about it), but it doesn't necessarily contain urine, so it doesn't really fit being implied to it...

On the other hand, a character sitting on the toilet would likely get tagged pooping/etc. if the text implied that (post #89855), and I can't disagree with that reasoning entirely. Since these are bodily functions that people want to avoid/seek all in one swoop, I think it would be better to treat the urine and feces tags as "urine-related" and "feces-related" to handle these borderline cases.

Just a thought.

Ok, after hearing omorashi explained, it sounds like it might be best to alias desperation to --> omorashi and have omorashi be the tag for the desperation play/holding it kink in all of its forms. I was familiar with the kink but not the japanese take on it. With a good wiki though, it sounds like a pretty good tag and well worth keeping. While desperation is less clearly defined and for the same basic thing.

I'm also thinking it's probably best to leave omorashi un-implicated because it's only related in concept but urine could easily not be present (yet). If urine is present, then it'll be tagged and those who blacklist urine won't see that percentage of omorashi images. And if someone grabbing their crotch and trembling is too closely related to peeing for someone, then they can add omorashi to their blacklist as well. But I don't think it's a good idea to implicate it to urine when urine isn't automatically present. But I do think omorashi should be mentioned in the wiki for peeing and the wiki for wetting as a related tag at least. To promote awareness that it exists for those who like the related tag/kinks or are looking for something new to blacklist.

And then implicating wetting to --> urine sounds like a good place for it.

So does this work for everyone? If so, then I'll make it happen.

Make it so. :)

furrypickle said:

With a good wiki though, it sounds like a pretty good tag and well worth keeping.

I'll add this to my to-do list. It sounds worth putting as a side note in several places of the urine-related tags and I currently have it branching from watersports for some reason (looks like it was an early wiki of mine) which is definitely not where it goes based on this discussion.

I wasn't sure what the desperation tag was supposed to accomplish, what with its lack of wiki page. I guessed it referred to emotional desperation in the general sense.

It sounds like I was mistaken about it. It's got a few images found under desperation -omorashi which also don't fit. By 'a few' I mean four or five. And by 'has' I mean 'had', because I realized while writing this post that not fixing them myself would be dumb.

Aliasing desperation --> omorashi and implicating wetting --> urine sound good.

Alright then, done.

31h253 said:
I wasn't sure what the desperation tag was supposed to accomplish, what with its lack of wiki page. I guessed it referred to emotional desperation in the general sense.

It sounds like I was mistaken about it. It's got a few images found under desperation -omorashi which also don't fit. By 'a few' I mean four or five. And by 'has' I mean 'had', because I realized while writing this post that not fixing them myself would be dumb.

Aliasing desperation --> omorashi and implicating wetting --> urine sound good.

And yeah, I'm used to it referred to as "desperation play", so that background helped me figure out what the desperation tag was being used for when I saw it was full of desperately-need-to-pee pictures. I probably would have assumed it was for the emotion otherwise, though it looks like we have desperate for that.

parasprite said:
Make it so. :)

I'll add this to my to-do list. It sounds worth putting as a side note in several places of the urine-related tags and I currently have it branching from watersports for some reason (looks like it was an early wiki of mine) which is definitely not where it goes based on this discussion.

Sounds like a good plan. The wiki will definitely be important with this one.

furrypickle said:
Sounds like a good plan. The wiki will definitely be important with this one.

I'll be working on it now.

Quick thing. I'd linked to peeing_in_pussy without thinking back when I made that wiki but peeing_in_vagina is the one that's used. I'm assuming that peeing_in_pussy will be chosen for the moment (just to avoid rewriting a lot of links) but I can change it if need be. forum #101208 forum #101334 - The implication was made even though peeing_in_pussy seemed to be preferred.

parasprite said:
I'll be working on it now.

Quick thing. I'd linked to peeing_in_pussy without thinking back when I made that wiki but peeing_in_vagina is the one that's used. I'm assuming that peeing_in_pussy will be chosen for the moment (just to avoid rewriting a lot of links) but I can change it if need be. forum #101208 forum #101334 - The implication was made even though peeing_in_pussy seemed to be preferred.

Awesome. Thanks for pointing that out and digging up the info on it. I think keeping the tag as peeing_in_pussy is consistent with other tags and is more in line with what was agreed on but somehow never actually put into place. So I aliased peeing_in_vagina to --> peeing_in_pussy and then moved the implication to the correct tag.

Getting the urine tag straightened out has been on my list before I was even privileged, so this is awesome to see it all pull together so that it functions better. Should be better for blacklists too, now that most of it has the right implications. The forum has such a good team of users right now that we're getting so many things sorted out, brought up, and settled so they can function. It's really great.

furrypickle said:

Getting the urine tag straightened out has been on my list before I was even privileged, so this is awesome to see it all pull together so that it functions better. Should be better for blacklists too, now that most of it has the right implications. The forum has such a good team of users right now that we're getting so many things sorted out, brought up, and settled so they can function. It's really great.

The wikis are all made and lined up. I think we finally got the bulk of it together.

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