Now all of this is quite old (as I rarely go back and check up on recent comments I've made). But I was looking at this specific image with the comment shitshow that went down https://e621.net/posts/2974845
I'm not making this to hate on the staff or anything and I want to be as unbiased as possible and give the benefit of doubt in the case there is more to this story than is on the surface, but I think you guys can see what the issue is here without me having to explain much.
I decided to make this post after seeing this comment https://e621.net/comments/6058360 , which was issued a ban, simply for just having an opinion and telling others about a perfectly reasonable point of view, and the ban reason was completely unrelated to what was going on. Now it does say this user has 2 bans, but I unfortunately couldn't find any information about the other ban, so it's possible there was a legitimate reason.

Anyways, this brings to me saying that there probably needs to be a change in the rules that regard "creepy comments" because lets be honest, this site really does have a lot of extremely crazy shit on it (literally and figuratively) and never gets questioned at all, and to be warning/banning users for making what is at this point considered "creepy" really just doesn't seem to fit in with what this site allows content wise. I can understand creepy comments can have multple levels of creepiness, but almost all of the creepy comments I've seen have not been creepy at all (imo).

So again, I'm not trying to hate on the staff, but I think it's time for an update to the rules, because that's how the staff are operating based on, which I suppose really isn't their fault to begin with.

i think the "creepy comments" rule is in place to try to avoid the comment section from becoming something like a rule 34 booru, where the comments are just nothing but creepy comments

but it is a fact that expressing any amount of lewd thoughts here, even on a lewd piece of art, will get you an insta-mark on your record. and i agree that the rules should be loosen up a decent bit when it comes to comments like that

(then again loosening the rules up might require some more deliberation for when something crosses the line, and deliberation kinda get's spread thing when you deal with tens-of-thousands of commenters on the daily)

The ban reason for this one tho...

https://e621.net/users/462309

wow...

HOLY MOLY NEW BUTTON?!? or is it this extension im using?

Almost literally all of these make sense, I dont see whats wrong with the staff action on any of these.

Theyre all intentionally antagonistic and the first one is a common creepy comment that USUALLY gets a record whenever people post it anyway.

kemonophonic said:
comment #6199987

They returned from a 7 day ban for trolling and continued to troll.

Which is a completely legitimate reason.

dripen_arn said:
i think the "creepy comments" rule is in place to try to avoid the comment section from becoming something like a rule 34 booru, where the comments are just nothing but creepy comments

but it is a fact that expressing any amount of lewd thoughts here, even on a lewd piece of art, will get you an insta-mark on your record. and i agree that the rules should be loosen up a decent bit when it comes to comments like that

(then again loosening the rules up might require some more deliberation for when something crosses the line, and deliberation kinda get's spread thing when you deal with tens-of-thousands of commenters on the daily)

then again again i'm pretty sure that's what the report button is for

I agree that I wouldn't want it to get too out of hand, but there really needs to be a leniency in commenting. Someone saying "I want that to happen to me" or "I wish that could be me" or "I don't agree with the staff" shouldn't be a reason for getting the account marked. One could argue that because most of the staff on here, have been here for a very long time, they would learn what is and isn't something to warn over. But again, I do believe it has to do with how the rules currently are set up. I do think it would help if staff actually tried a little more on giving good reasons for a ban or a warn. It's not really nice or appropriate for a staff to say something like "lol" as a ban reason. And I think it'd also be a good idea if, especially with substantial proof, to also give the source for the ban. It just seems kinda shitty/cheating when the staff don't give a clear reason to the ban. I understand they probably report people many many times a day but sometimes it just seems out of control.

zekorus said:
I agree that I wouldn't want it to get too out of hand, but there really needs to be a leniency in commenting.

While it may not seem like there is, there's more than you imagine. I've reported multiple comments for RP and/or being creepy only to get a response of "It's not so bad" and no action is taken. I've had it happen enough that it discourages me from reporting further. It seems like the moderation is arbitrary based on the person responding and possibly the person being reported.

zekorus said:

I understand they probably report people many many times a day

The report queue is visible to members, you can see them in real time.

zekorus said:

I decided to make this post after seeing this comment https://e621.net/comments/6058360 , which was issued a ban, simply for just having an opinion and telling others about a perfectly reasonable point of view, and the ban reason was completely unrelated to what was going on. Now it does say this user has 2 bans, but I unfortunately couldn't find any information about the other ban, so it's possible there was a legitimate reason.

Yo that's wild, the guy got banned for "refusal to use the blacklist" on a comment saying they use the blacklist... Wut?

benjiboyo said:
Yo that's wild, the guy got banned for "refusal to use the blacklist" on a comment saying they use the blacklist... Wut?

Sometimes I think the responding mod just skims the reported comment, not even actually fully reading it, and just slaps them with the reported reason. I've seen people given records like that/banned for things they were literally not doing, multiple times.

benjiboyo said:
Yo that's wild, the guy got banned for "refusal to use the blacklist" on a comment saying they use the blacklist... Wut?

drakkenfyre said:
Sometimes I think the responding mod just skims the reported comment, not even actually fully reading it, and just slaps them with the reported reason. I've seen people given records like that/banned for things they were literally not doing, multiple times.

There's a very simple answer:

This category includes:

• Creating posts, threads, or comments that complain about artwork that can be blacklisted

Even if you say you blacklist it, if you don't actually shut up about how you have blacklisted it it can lead to getting banned.

I think they were just saying they like the site because it features a blacklist. They weren't targetting the post or any content.

At they same time they complained that they can't make creepy comments, and more importantly have a history for speaking about their use of the blacklist, so it evens out.

notmenotyou said:
There's a very simple answer:

Even if you say you blacklist it, if you don't actually shut up about how you have blacklisted it it can lead to getting banned.

That's not what I'm referring to. The people who get suspended/banned for "Refusal to use blacklist" when the comment is literally, and only, asking people to make sure all the tags are correct so blacklists work.

drakkenfyre said:
That's not what I'm referring to. The people who get suspended/banned for "Refusal to use blacklist" when the comment is literally, and only, asking people to make sure all the tags are correct so blacklists work.

Dude was full blown ranting about how he hates content then gets in trouble for telling people to tag things, I can't imagine they were exactly polite about how they asked to include tags. Also, something that happens sometimes because idk if it's human error or a code fault is I've noticed sometimes the comment that gets the red notifier or the record linked aren't the things that got people banned. I'm guessing it was the complaining that got them in trouble? I've learnt it's best to just avoid things you don't like instead of bringing it up on posts.

drakkenfyre said:
That's not what I'm referring to. The people who get suspended/banned for "Refusal to use blacklist" when the comment is literally, and only, asking people to make sure all the tags are correct so blacklists work.

The solution is to add the tag yourself quietly, so you never see the post again. If a particular uploader consistently neglects to add tags for contentious content (or removes them when they're applicable), you report the user. Making comments on posts complaining about it not having a tag that you've blacklisted is both annoying and unhelpful to other users, especially when it takes less time to quietly add the tag yourself (which helps everyone) than it does to make a comment complaining the tag isn't there (which helps no one).

drakkenfyre said:
That's not what I'm referring to. The people who get suspended/banned for "Refusal to use blacklist" when the comment is literally, and only, asking people to make sure all the tags are correct so blacklists work.

Exactly. The guy I mentioned in my original post literally didn't disagree with anything and was literally just stating facts. "and I can blacklist the nasty stuff so long as the uploader tags it correctly, so I can'treally complain." is literally saying he does use his blacklist. Is it illegal to mention the blacklist at all now or you get banned? Hell even NotMeNotYou just said it was due to them not using their blacklist meaning they didn't read the comment properly or at all. .

Also I'm looking at the ticket center (Which I didn't know prior, so thanks aversionCapacitor'), and I've clicked on about 10 of the reports and only like half of them seem legit and the others just seem like people are being butthurt and don't like to be proven wrong.

Regardless, I still think there needs to be a major change on whats allowed or at the very least, make it easier to find the rules, because I'm pretty certain 99% of the people who make "creepy comments" have absolutely no clue that there is an issue, and if they make 2-3 creepy comments over a short period of time and they didn't know better, they get banned.

zekorus said:
Regardless, I still think there needs to be a major change on whats allowed or at the very least, make it easier to find the rules, because I'm pretty certain 99% of the people who make "creepy comments" have absolutely no clue that there is an issue, and if they make 2-3 creepy comments over a short period of time and they didn't know better, they get banned.

You won't get dinged multiple times at once for the same rule. If you make a series of creepy comments and you get reported for them, you only get one record for all of them. Comments made before your record about them are covered by that one record. You won't just get insta-banned without warning, unless it's obvious by your behavior you know you're breaking the rules and don't care and will keep doing it.

zekorus said:
Regardless, I still think there needs to be a major change on whats allowed or at the very least, make it easier to find the rules, because I'm pretty certain 99% of the people who make "creepy comments" have absolutely no clue that there is an issue, and if they make 2-3 creepy comments over a short period of time and they didn't know better, they get banned.

This is rather annoying to keep hearing. The site has you pretty much agree that you read the rules and the like when you make one's account, most sites has that to ensure everyone understands and gets the basic idea of what's exacted from them. Hell, at the bottom of the website, you can see tabs/links to able to read the site rules at any given moment. Most folks you've read records on them knows what they're doing and are often lie about not knowing the rules.

versperus said:
Dude was full blown ranting about how he hates content then gets in trouble for telling people to tag things, I can't imagine they were exactly polite about how they asked to include tags. Also, something that happens sometimes because idk if it's human error or a code fault is I've noticed sometimes the comment that gets the red notifier or the record linked aren't the things that got people banned. I'm guessing it was the complaining that got them in trouble? I've learnt it's best to just avoid things you don't like instead of bringing it up on posts.

I'm not referring to any specific person. I've seen people make comments that were literally "Please tag (thing) so blacklists will work. Thanks!" And they get whacked with a neutral/negative "Use your blacklist!"

watsit said:
You won't get dinged multiple times at once for the same rule. If you make a series of creepy comments and you get reported for them, you only get one record for all of them. Comments made before your record about them are covered by that one record. You won't just get insta-banned without warning, unless it's obvious by your behavior you know you're breaking the rules and don't care and will keep doing it.

Uh, I've seen people get slapped with multiple records within a few minutes due to multiple comments that all fell under the same rule. More than one of them got a perma-ban that way.

kemonophonic said:
Examples?

We're talking over years. I don't exactly commit those people to memory and maintain bookmarks for their accounts. I like to peruse the ticket queue occasionally and I've seen them there multiple times. And more than one got whacked in the same day with multiple records for the exact same kind of comment across a few days span on different images. There's even been a couple that got dinged twice for literally the same comment because two people reported them and at least once two different mods responded. This was prior to the "user received a record for this comment" notification, and I've always assumed issues like that were why that message was added.

notmenotyou said:
There's a very simple answer:

Even if you say you blacklist it, if you don't actually shut up about how you have blacklisted it it can lead to getting banned.

Lmao, But the way milly worded the reason with "should've used blacklist" really made it sound like she just straight up said... Allow me to use a yugioh term, "should've just Drawn the out".

I originally wanted to draw comparisons to "skill issues" but i don't think that analogy works.

drakkenfyre said:
I'm not referring to any specific person. I've seen people make comments that were literally "Please tag (thing) so blacklists will work. Thanks!" And they get whacked with a neutral/negative "Use your blacklist!"

that's just "I FIND THIS THING OBJECTIONABLE" in a fancy suit

You don't need to announce that you're blacklisting something, and if you want to discussing tagging, you can contact the original uploader rather than shouting into the void.

strikerman said:
You don't need to announce that you're blacklisting something, and if you want to discussing tagging, you can contact the original uploader rather than shouting into the void.

I mean it pays to be tactful about it, but is it not more beneficial to raise awareness for under-tagged blacklistable items?
Though I'm probably more interested in the stats for people getting use your blacklist records for things that don't have blacklistable tags.

All said I think it pays to tread very lightly around anything resembling reportable content. Tickets aren't always processed with full attention; I once had to reopen one of my tickets^{A user was mass-stripping certain tags} because the first admin who looked at it determined I was wrong about the tag usage involved.
I imagine anything that looks vaguely like a content complaint at first glance gets the use your blacklist stamp irrespective of any nuance.

drakkenfyre said:
I'm not referring to any specific person. I've seen people make comments that were literally "Please tag (thing) so blacklists will work. Thanks!" And they get whacked with a neutral/negative "Use your blacklist!"

those people get dinged when they just spam that crap instead of doing it themselves

Simply just read the rules every month and consider them all of high importance. Also be preceptive to what others may think or feel.

versperus said:
those people get dinged when they just spam that crap instead of doing it themselves

It's understandable if an uploader has a habit of posting with sparse tags, particularly when they're missing important ones, but if it's just missing a few tags, I don't know why they don't just fix it themselves, it's easier and faster than making a comment and hoping the uploader sees it.

all this because people won't tag their posts properly OR can't accept the fact that content that they enjoy isn't necessarily bad/hated by everyone else.
you know what they say. a machine/system ran by humans will fail because of those humans.