Really excited for BD and SP, but Pokémon Legends Arceus was the show stealer. Actual Pokémon BotW. I'm certain I'm not the only one here that's always wanted such a thing.

Seems like you're talking about stuff out of thin air here. Is this some trailer that exists somewhere that can be linked to?

furrin_gok said:
Seems like you're talking about stuff out of thin air here. Is this some trailer that exists somewhere that can be linked to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZeVNwAmkk The full presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUW1ZWAq09M Pokémon Legends Arceus' trailer

Looks like what Sword and Shield should have been. Definitely seems promising.

Sinnoh was my favourite gen so I could not be more excited. Got a remake and a crazy awesome looking game in Sinnoh

Already sounds like they did Arceus's battle theme more justice.

Never was a fan of how basic it sounded.

Color me surprised that we're getting Pokémon Legends: Arceus.

watsit said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZeVNwAmkk The full presentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUW1ZWAq09M Pokémon Legends Arceus' trailer

Looks like what Sword and Shield should have been. Definitely seems promising.

Thanks. Looks interesting.

Many people on Twitter were saying "We want an enhanced remake of DP (and BOTW)!",
and then I just woke up and saw the trailer --- "Wha！？ .......Oh I see, they're coming true, finally！", I said

Actually, I have not played DP yet, so I'll be able to go on an adventure with a fresh mind.

kurogi_foxsiv said:
Many people on Twitter were saying "We want an enhanced remake of DP (and BOTW)!",
and then I just woke up and saw the trailer --- "Wha！？ .......Oh I see, they're coming true, finally！", I said

Actually, I have not played DP yet, so I'll be able to go on an adventure with a fresh mind.

You'll love the Poketch. It's like a smartwatch.

Even better if it's an actual, physical item that comes with the game. Like the Pokewalker with HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Every game is Skyrim.

Honestly, that footage looks a little rough. It's high time for a Switch Pro with a better SoC, 1080p screen and DLSS upscale to 4K, 8 GB or more RAM, etc.

Finally a gen 4 remake so I can be that much closer to a gen 5 remake.

lance_armstrong said:
Every game is Skyrim.

Honestly, that footage looks a little rough. It's high time for a Switch Pro with a better SoC, 1080p screen and DLSS upscale to 4K, 8 GB or more RAM, etc.

Almost like the game is in early development, or something

camkitty said:
Almost like the game is in early development, or something

People said the same thing about sword and shield, and yet by the end it was still shit.

As for the """""""remakes""""""" it's a touch incredible disappointing to see they're going the route of "remaster" instead of "remake" by doing a 1 to 1 rehash to the original DP. No improvements to the maps, the union room, the underground is still a lifeless, tedious maze, the maps are the same 2.5d they were before, just slathered over with day 1 unity engine assets, anything. It's flat out just DP ported and prettied up for the switch. Compared to previous remakes taking a "modern spin on the classic" approach, this is a bit disappointing, but then again after UsUm, GF and Masuda proved themselves to be a gaggle of incompetence. Pokemon'll forever be reductive shit until they're removed from the equation, until then enjoy buying the same game again, I guess.

sirbrownbear said:
People said the same thing about sword and shield, and yet by the end it was still shit.

At the same time, it is still addressing the core complaints with SwSh; that it just felt like an upres'd 3DS game with completely unnecessary cutbacks. While it's true that I wouldn't expect much graphical improvement in the final product, what has been shown is promising. A proper open world without maps being split into dedicated routes, battles that look more visceral (better animations, pokemon actually moving in to attack each other rather than miming an "attack" from 10 feet away), no separation between the overworld and battle scenes, real-time catching, and if the rumors a true, an Active Time Battle system rather than pure turn-based combat. What will be the determining factor is how well the game as a whole comes together; whether or not exploration feels rewarding, that you get to experience a story, that there's a bit more to it than just catching them all in an oversized safari zone. For sure, it's reasonable to be wary given Game Freak's track record, but I'll at least give them a chance to show me what they have since this is something different, instead of writing it off before they're given a chance.

sirbrownbear said:
Compared to previous remakes taking a "modern spin on the classic" approach, this is a bit disappointing, but then again after UsUm, GF and Masuda proved themselves to be a gaggle of incompetence. Pokemon'll forever be reductive shit until they're removed from the equation, until then enjoy buying the same game again, I guess.

It's not GF making the remakes, it's ILCA, and Masuda is only co-director.

watsit said:
It's not GF making the remakes, it's ILCA, and Masuda is only co-director.

GF isn't, but Masuda still has his fingers in this pie.

So, I like that they kept the old art style but made it 3D. Them reusing the maps and general design actually seems fun, and it doesn't mean they can't also do some new stuff on the side.

Legends looks like Pokemon meets Metal Gear Solid, specifically MGS3, not Breath of the Wild. You're sneaking around and lobbing pokeballs at pokemon in a similar way to MGS3. Perhaps it will have some more similarities to BotW in the end, but as it is I haven't seen anything that specifically reminds me of the mechanics of BotW over MGS3.

sirbrownbear said:
People said the same thing about sword and shield, and yet by the end it was still shit.

As for the """""""remakes""""""" it's a touch incredible disappointing to see they're going the route of "remaster" instead of "remake" by doing a 1 to 1 rehash to the original DP. No improvements to the maps, the union room, the underground is still a lifeless, tedious maze, the maps are the same 2.5d they were before, just slathered over with day 1 unity engine assets, anything. It's flat out just DP ported and prettied up for the switch. Compared to previous remakes taking a "modern spin on the classic" approach, this is a bit disappointing, but then again after UsUm, GF and Masuda proved themselves to be a gaggle of incompetence. Pokemon'll forever be reductive shit until they're removed from the equation, until then enjoy buying the same game again, I guess.

The never happy pokemon fanbase everyone. If not one thing I am sure you would have found other reasons to be upset

Well, we might be able to make fantasies come true...
According to Diamond/Pearl, people in ancient Sinnoh were able to marry pokemon.
And now we’re getting a game set in ancient Sinnoh...

camkitty said:
The never happy pokemon fanbase everyone. If not one thing I am sure you would have found other reasons to be upset

Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

sirbrownbear said:
Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

Have you even paid attention to Pokemon? They've been changing things. People wanted some return to old, and now they're doing just that.

sirbrownbear said:
Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

Isn't the entire draw of Pokemon it's relative simplicity and sticking with what works?

sirbrownbear said:
Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

Yet when they show something promising (Legends Arceus, an open world pokemon game like people have been asking for), and announce they're not directly involved with the remakes (as a lot of people feared GF wouldn't do them justice), you still complain that it'll be bad just because GF and Masuda exist in relation to it. If it was a full-on remake, people would complain Masuda changed too much and ruined it, if it was a pure 1:1 remaster, people would complain Masuda was lazy and didn't change enough. At this point we don't know what the remakes are going to offer, beyond "carefully preserving the original experience", let alone what Masuda's involvement entails (it's worth pointing out that Masuda was not the director for SwSh, but he was the director for the original Diamond/Pearl games, so having him involved as a co-director for at least consultation purposes is a no-brainer; anything he may be responsible for with the remakes beyond that is pure conjecture at this point). We don't know whether Platinum's content is included, and nothing they've said so far excludes the possibility of additional content even beyond that. If you're going to be unhappy, at least be unhappy about something they've actually said or done, rather than what you believe they'll do.

Not too excited for the DP remakes, I never really enjoy base DP. Might be interested in them if they include the battle frontier, but I've got doubts they'd include it.

Legends Arceus seems like it'll be interesting though. I like the idea of a prequel-ish game and the unique starter selection they give.

furrin_gok said:
Have you even paid attention to Pokemon? They've been changing things. People wanted some return to old, and now they're doing just that.

Have YOU? because no, they really haven't. And who wanted a "return to old"!? That's all they've ever done.

gen 1

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 2

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>optional title legendaries
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 3

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>optional title legendaries
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 4

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>optional title legendaries
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 5

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>elite 4
>title legendary
>"champ"
>one more badguy
>done

gen 6

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>bad guys
>optional title legendaries
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 7

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 trials
>bad guys
>title legendaries
>elite 4
>champ
>done

gen 8

>fill the dex
>rival
>8 gyms
>elite 3
>bad guys
>optional title legendaries
>champ
>done

votp said:
Isn't the entire draw of Pokemon it's relative simplicity and sticking with what works?

Not really, no. The draw is the wide cast of "characters". And taking said characters to new locations with new releases.

watsit said:
Things

No, I'm not an infant. I don't ignore the pile of shit that was just shoved in my face because someone immediately started gangling keys in my face afterwards. I'm not going to lie, that legends game is a lot of what I've been holding out on for years, but that doesn't NOT make what they're doing with the "remake" not a joke. A "full on remake" is exactly what people expected/anticipated, you can't say with an air of certainty "it would be the same/worse". No, we technically don't know what the game'll have to offer, but what we DO know based on screenshots, footage, and information straight from the horses mouth, it's going to be a "faithful" 1 to 1 remake, and everything thus far lining up PERFECTLY with the original DP (and like 2 NPCs from platinum) doesn't leave much room for the theory of "i-it'll be radically different, just wait!"

But I am unhappy about something they've done. They've continued to prove themselves soulless corporate zombies, shitting out the same products ad infinitum.

sirbrownbear said:
A "full on remake" is exactly what people expected/anticipated, you can't say with an air of certainty "it would be the same/worse".

No, people expected Game Freak and Masuda to "dumb-down" the game and remove the good bits about it while delivering something less than the original. People wanted something on the level of HG/SS compared to the original G/S/C, but ORAS, while its reception was still generally positive, isn't talked about quite as fondly over Emerald (especially with the removal of the Battle Frontier, and the added Delta Episode being considered lackluster), and given the further cutbacks and simplifications with Let's Go and SwSh, people started expecting the worst.

sirbrownbear said:
No, we technically don't know what the game'll have to offer, but what we DO know based on screenshots, footage, and information straight from the horses mouth, it's going to be a "faithful" 1 to 1 remake, and everything thus far lining up PERFECTLY with the original DP (and like 2 NPCs from platinum) doesn't leave much room for the theory of "i-it'll be radically different, just wait!"

That's not a theory, no one's saying it'll be "radically different". What we're saying is that at it's core it'll be a faithful remake/remaster (so you can expect the original game's content to still be there and not cut, like the Battle Frontier was in ORAS; and it won't pull an FF7 Remake on you), and there's no reason to think there can't be some good additional content on top of it. The games were just announced a couple days ago, and they won't be released until late this year, so there's still plenty of time for them to reveal more about it. I personally would be surprised if there isn't something new with the remakes that ties into Legends, given it's the same region and it'll be released shortly after, early next year.

sirbrownbear said:
But I am unhappy about something they've done. They've continued to prove themselves soulless corporate zombies, shitting out the same products ad infinitum.

I can't speak to what you're seeing that makes you come to that conclusion. But from what I'm seeing, there's reason to be hopeful. If this was GF-as-usual, I would've expected the D/P remakes to be dropped on our laps by removing what was good about the originals, and making sure to shove in this gen's gimmicks like Dynamax and a horribly designed/implemented wild area, then Gen 9 announced to be right around the corner with yet more cutbacks and simplifications because it's hard to copy the same models they've been using since X/Y. Instead, they seem to be listening to feedback -- they're making a new game that's trying something new and which appears to address many of the criticisms people had with SwSh, and they're handing off development of the remakes to a separate studio, seemingly in response to people's desire for them to out-source work on different titles instead of doing everything themselves, and explicitly ensuring us they'll be faithful to the originals and not stripped of what was good about them.

watsit said:
No, people expected Game Freak and Masuda to "dumb-down" the game and remove the good bits about it while delivering something less than the original. People wanted something on the level of HG/SS compared to the original G/S/C, but ORAS, while its reception was still generally positive, isn't talked about quite as fondly over Emerald (especially with the removal of the Battle Frontier, and the added Delta Episode being considered lackluster), and given the further cutbacks and simplifications with Let's Go and SwSh, people started expecting the worst.

Yes, people anticipated a dumbed down remake, but they expected a remake none the less, not a remaster/port.

watsit said:
That's not a theory, no one's saying it'll be "radically different". What we're saying is that at it's core it'll be a faithful remake/remaster (so you can expect the original game's content to still be there and not cut, like the Battle Frontier was in ORAS; and it won't pull an FF7 Remake on you), and there's no reason to think there can't be some good additional content on top of it. The games were just announced a couple days ago, and they won't be released until late this year, so there's still plenty of time for them to reveal more about it. I personally would be surprised if there isn't something new with the remakes that ties into Legends, given it's the same region and it'll be released shortly after, early next year.

And what im saying, is that the simple fact that it's shaping up to be at least 90% the same game, it's shit. Why play that over emulating Platinum on any modern computer or phone? A new Dialga/Palkia form? I guess that's worth $60!

watsit said:
I can't speak to what you're seeing that makes you come to that conclusion. But from what I'm seeing, there's reason to be hopeful. If this was GF-as-usual, I would've expected the D/P remakes to be dropped on our laps by removing what was good about the originals, and making sure to shove in this gen's gimmicks like Dynamax and a horribly designed/implemented wild area, then Gen 9 announced to be right around the corner with yet more cutbacks and simplifications because it's hard to copy the same models they've been using since X/Y. Instead, they seem to be listening to feedback -- they're making a new game that's trying something new and which appears to address many of the criticisms people had with SwSh, and they're handing off development of the remakes to a separate studio, seemingly in response to people's desire for them to out-source work on different titles instead of doing everything themselves, and explicitly ensuring us they'll be faithful to the originals and not stripped of what was good about them.

My long, previous comment explains what I mean by that. Pokemon, structurally and fundamentally, hasn't budged since gen 1. They've changed the graphics and add temporary gimmicks to sell the illusion of advancements, that's it, and that doesn't deserve praise or celebration.

sirbrownbear said:
And what im saying, is that the simple fact that it's shaping up to be at least 90% the same game, it's shit.

It's way too early to make that determination.

sirbrownbear said:
Pokemon, structurally and fundamentally, hasn't budged since gen 1. They've changed the graphics and add temporary gimmicks to sell the illusion of advancements, that's it, and that doesn't deserve praise or celebration.

While you may be right to hold off on the praise and celebration right now, at least until we learn and see more about it, here is a list of known things Legends changes:

• Gyms, gone
• Elite 4, gone
• Linear routes, gone
• Catching is now real-time
• Improved battle/overworld/character integration (battles take place in the overworld, characters interact more closely in battle)
• Expanded overworld capabilities (crouching, dodging)

Rumored changes:

• Active Time Battle system
• Pokemon can attack you

Conjectured changes:

• Restricted "PC box" (if anything analogous even exists, given the setting)
• No prominent multiplayer component (at least part of the "in-world" experience)
• More in-depth story

And who knows what else (it was only announced a couple days ago). Legends is being billed as an Action-RPG, unlike previous games which were fairly basic JRPGs. This is Pokemon, structurally and fundamentally, budging. Maybe not a lot at first, but the more favorably this is received, the more willing they will likely be to take more steps in the future.

watsit said:
It's way too early to make that determination.

While you may be right to hold off on the praise and celebration right now, at least until we learn and see more about it, here is a list of known things Legends changes:

• Gyms, gone
• Elite 4, gone
• Linear routes, gone
• Catching is now real-time
• Improved battle/overworld/character integration (battles take place in the overworld, characters interact more closely in battle)
• Expanded overworld capabilities (crouching, dodging)

Rumored changes:

• Active Time Battle system
• Pokemon can attack you

Conjectured changes:

• Restricted "PC box" (if anything analogous even exists, given the setting)
• No prominent multiplayer component (at least part of the "in-world" experience)
• More in-depth story

And who knows what else (it was only announced a couple days ago). Legends is being billed as an Action-RPG, unlike previous games which were fairly basic JRPGs. This is Pokemon, structurally and fundamentally, budging. Maybe not a lot at first, but the more favorably this is received, the more willing they will likely be to take more steps in the future.

I'm not denying Legends as a step in the right direction, like I said earlier, it's honestly everything I've been waiting for pokemon to stop tip-toeing around and finally adapt towards, but im not ignoring the bigger fault at hand to gush over a game I don't have the franchise investment to buy/play anymore, anyways. Because as much as I do like what they're heading towards, they're just BARELY brushing shoulders with JRPG standards we had back on the ps1/N64, nice start, but for me personally, too little too late.

(This isn't for you specifically, just preresponding to predictable "gotchas")

"so they finally did what you want and you're STILL not happy!?!? Wow, so entitled!"

Yes, realizing a wish I had 18 years ago while they did nothing but squander the potential to realize said wish for those 18 years doesn't make me falls to my knees and suck them dry when they now, finally figure out the alien concept of "large open map and dynamic battles". If your standards are so low and your corporate worship that powerful, more power to you, but try not to act smug about it.

"Well if you really don't care anymore, then why are you complaining?"

I dunno, I guess it's something about watching the corpse a franchise I used to admire being dolled up and puppeted around to the roar of applause, and seeing all that commotion come from nothing but said caked up corpse simply being there.

sirbrownbear said:
Because as much as I do like what they're heading towards, they're just BARELY brushing shoulders with JRPG standards we had back on the ps1/N64, nice start, but for me personally, too little too late.

Well, if it's too little, too late, and you don't have the investment to buy/play pokemon anymore, why are you here? Why come into a thread to make baseless accusations ("they're going the route of "remaster" instead of "remake" by doing a 1 to 1 rehash to the original DP [...] just slathered over with day 1 unity engine assets [...] GF and Masuda proved themselves to be a gaggle of incompetence"), and baseless assumptions ("it's shaping up to be at least 90% the same game, it's shit"), about games you're not invested in and aren't going to even think about buying?

Any problems the remakes may ultimately have, Game Freak has 0 blame since they aren't developing it. We have no idea how much input and control Masuda has on the remakes as he's only a co-director, so any blame you assign him is what you want to assign, it's not blame he demonstrably deserves.

sirbrownbear said:
Yes, realizing a wish I had 18 years ago while they did nothing but squander the potential to realize said wish for those 18 years doesn't make me falls to my knees and suck them dry when they now, finally figure out the alien concept of "large open map and dynamic battles". If your standards are so low and your corporate worship that powerful, more power to you, but try not to act smug about it.

Not everything is black and white. There's far more nuance to be had when you realize "GF/Masuda are the devil" and "Sucking corporate dick" aren't the only two stances to take.

And that's about where I am. Game Freak's past isn't great with the games, they've continually walked back on good features and have been hesitant to do anything that could add more depth and complexity to the game, and they really screwed up with SwSh. But there's few companies/developers that can't be redeemed by simply... doing good. If someone takes a positive step, they should be encouraged to take more. Positive re-enforcement works. Game Freak handed off development of the D/P remakes to ILCA, seemingly so they wouldn't have their focus divided while working on Legends, if not allowing them to work on Legends at all, which is good. It doesn't help to blame GF for what could be ILCA's fault with the remakes (assuming there even is a problem with the remakes, which we can't know yet), and if GF does succeed in making a better pokemon game with Legends, admonishing them for not having done it sooner isn't particularly motivating for them to make the next one even better. You may not care about the games anymore, but I find the mainline games still hold untapped potential, so as long as Game Freak is the one working on them, I'll criticize them when they do something bad so they'll know it was bad, and I'll give them headpats when they do good so they'll do more good. If that's what you call sucking corporate dick, that's on you.

Anyway, now that I've written my autobiography, that's about all I have to say on the topic.

watsit said:
Well, if it's too little, too late, and you don't have the investment to buy/play pokemon anymore, why are you here?

As I already put, unless my edit came in too late, "I guess it's something about watching the corpse a franchise I used to admire being dolled up and puppeted around to the roar of applause, and seeing all that commotion come from nothing but said caked up corpse simply being there." I'm here to offer my opinion on the remakes, as someone who was a fan of pokemon. Unless I missed the hidden subtext in the OP that stated "this is a positive circle jerk for the newly announced games, no criticisms allowed". You're free to disregard it, but that doesn't make it invalid/misplaced just because it's not the glowingly positive take you want to share with others.

watsit said:
We have no idea how much input and control Masuda has on the remakes as he's only a co-director, so any blame you assign him is what you want to assign, it's not blame he demonstrably deserves.

By virtue of being co director for a remake of a game he himself directed, I think it's safe to assume he's not the intern who gets coffee, but at this point it's clear you're far too generous with these people, so there's no point doing another wall of text.

sirbrownbear said:
As I already put, unless my edit came in too late, "I guess it's something about watching the corpse a franchise I used to admire being dolled up and puppeted around to the roar of applause, and seeing all that commotion come from nothing but said caked up corpse simply being there." I'm here to offer my opinion on the remakes, as someone who was a fan of pokemon. Unless I missed the hidden subtext in the OP that stated "this is a positive circle jerk for the newly announced games, no criticisms allowed".

Stating your opinion is one thing, bashing on everybody else is another.

sirbrownbear said:
Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

furrin_gok said:
Stating your opinion is one thing, bashing on everybody else is another.

But I did just state my opinion, it wasn't directed towards anyone. Everyone else then responded by bashed my negative opinion because it conflicted with their optimistic hype. That's not me playing the victim card, it's challenging your claim that im the antagonist.

When someone replies to me with:

camkitty said:
The never happy pokemon fanbase everyone. If not one thing I am sure you would have found other reasons to be upset

I'm not gonna "play nice" in my response.

sirbrownbear said:
But I did just state my opinion, it wasn't directed towards anyone. Everyone else then responded by bashed my negative opinion because it conflicted with their optimistic hype. That's not me playing the victim card, it's challenging your claim that im the antagonist.

When someone replies to me with:
I'm not gonna "play nice" in my response.

You've only proven people right while being a child attacking everyone the whole time so . . .

camkitty said:
You've only proven people right while being a child attacking everyone the whole time so . . .

Who's the "everyone" I've been "attacking"? Where are the posts where I went out of my way to target someone talking about what they liked solely to bring them down, and not responding to someone replying to me? Can you honestly point that out for me? Because I'm starting to question if people here know the meaning of "attacking/bashing".

sirbrownbear said:
But I did just state my opinion, it wasn't directed towards anyone. (...)

That's enough, STOP GRIPING AND NAGGING
Pokémon will stay Pokémon forever, so it will be as it wants to be, but Not as you want.
If that make you not like Pokémon, then it would be the time to stop playing it for you, and that's the end of your adventure.

Okay, It's time for me to get back to my adventure.
(( I wonder I'll wear my own proud Pokétch shines in a pink light ---・・・ ))

I hope everyone has fun with this kind of topic

I watched the Legends: Arceus trailer... looks awesome for me! Now if only I can play video games on a console...

camkitty said:
The never happy pokemon fanbase everyone. If not one thing I am sure you would have found other reasons to be upset

sirbrownbear said:
Ah yes, the complacent contrarian. Really funny how you people only ever have this reaction towards pokemon. Any other IP/franchise pumps out the same stagnant product for decades with declining quality, they get called out for it, but pokemon? Well, that's "nostalgic" so it's "different".

Forgive me for not staying in touch about anything Pokémon-related, but are the majority of the current Pokémon fanbase always like this now: attacking people who still have high hopes for the franchise?

For a newcomer's standpoint, is this also the attitude you display on them as well?