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So, I know that there's a tag for official artwork, but are there any restrictions to what can and cannot be posted in regards to it? The reason I'm asking is because there are certain manga cover images I've found that I think would be relevant to the site. These are two of the images here, Image one, and Image two. Thanks!
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dinob288 said:
So, I know that there's a tag for official artwork, but are there any restrictions to what can and cannot be posted in regards to it? The reason I'm asking is because there are certain manga cover images I've found that I think would be relevant to the site. These are two of the images here, Image one, and Image two. Thanks!
Have those images been released officially to the public completely for free, or have they been snipped out by fans? Given that manga is paid, the latter wouldn't be allowed. The former is (should?) be fine.
strikerman said:
Have those images been released officially to the public completely for free, or have they been snipped out by fans? Given that manga is paid, the latter wouldn't be allowed. The former is (should?) be fine.
Well, I don't believe these ones were released on their own for free, they were covers to individual chapters in the manga. However, that makes me wonder why this has stayed up, because it was also a cover for a chapter in the manga.
post #832364
dinob288 said:
Well, I don't believe these ones were released on their own for free, they were covers to individual chapters in the manga. However, that makes me wonder why this has stayed up, because it was also a cover for a chapter in the manga.
post #832364
IIRC that was approved before the rule about paid art not being allowed. It's still up most likely because the mods weren't aware of it or its origins.
(the rule was mostly about Patreon art but stuff like this ended up counting as well)
strikerman said:
IIRC that was approved before the rule about paid art not being allowed. It's still up most likely because the mods weren't aware of it or its origins.(the rule was mostly about Patreon art but stuff like this ended up counting as well)
Ah, alright that makes sense. So those wouldn't be allowed then, but that one is because it existed before the rule. So, if I find official art of some sort on an official twitter account, or something that's public like exclusive art made for an ad, or maybe the box art to a game, that would be allowed then?
dinob288 said:
Ah, alright that makes sense. So those wouldn't be allowed then, but that one is because it existed before the rule. So, if I find official art of some sort on an official twitter account, or something that's public like exclusive art made for an ad, or maybe the box art to a game, that would be allowed then?
As long as it's been freely released by the original authors, it should be fair game.
strikerman said:
As long as it's been freely released by the original authors, it should be fair game.
Alright, well I'm glad that clears that up, thanks!
strikerman said:
IIRC that was approved before the rule about paid art not being allowed. It's still up most likely because the mods weren't aware of it or its origins.(the rule was mostly about Patreon art but stuff like this ended up counting as well)
Yeah, even though there are many staff members which are great at determining when something uploaded is paid material, they do still slip by sometimes, simply by the nature of the site and constantly rising amount of content.
So similarly to other crowdsourced websites and websites hosting user generated content, we rely on flags and DMCA takedowns.
Also when it comes down to hosting coverart and individual pages of comics and manga, they really often can fall under fair use, so websites e.g. cataloging these would obviously have especially cover pages made available for obvious reasons. However for consistancy and easier enforcing, it's easier to say if it's paid, don't upload anything.
Also there has been many times where authors have released their older work freely later on, so even though the main reason for the rule change was because of the monetization of work transforming from physical medium into digital crowdsourcing platforms, in the end it should still be up to to copyright holders and authors to decide when their work is shared and where. Altough it would be much nicer if they would realize this themselves and not leave unobtainable content down for pirates to distribute for them, sometimes with no quality control.
Borrowing this thread because the title is relevant.
Is post #2956927 this really an acceptable upload? It's just a scan of a Nintendo 64 game's box art. Not even cropped to the Official_Art that's on the cover, but just a full scan of the box art. I don't mean to be a stickler, but it was just a post that made me go "wait, what...?"
sexygriffon said:
Borrowing this thread because the title is relevant.Is post #2956927 this really an acceptable upload? It's just a scan of a Nintendo 64 game's box art. Not even cropped to the Official_Art that's on the cover, but just a full scan of the box art. I don't mean to be a stickler, but it was just a post that made me go "wait, what...?"
You can't crop the image without losing some portion of the art. That's just how n64 box design was.
lafcadio said:
You can't crop the image without losing some portion of the art. That's just how n64 box design was.
post #2956928 seems to have succeeded.
furrin_gok said:
post #2956928 seems to have succeeded.
That's not a crop, that's a different version entirely.
lafcadio said:
You can't crop the image without losing some portion of the art. That's just how n64 box design was.
Okay, but that's not what I was asking. I was asking, are we allowed to just upload scans of box art to this site? I figured that would be the sort of thing you wouldn't be allowed to do, or there's be a bunch of box art posts for anything vaguely furry.
sexygriffon said:
Okay, but that's not what I was asking. I was asking, are we allowed to just upload scans of box art to this site? I figured that would be the sort of thing you wouldn't be allowed to do, or there's be a bunch of box art posts for anything vaguely furry.
I think if that's the only version of the artwork that exists (pre-internet/early internet so no digital versions) it's fair for archival reasons.
I'm also borrowing this thread for my question
Do I understand correctly, if the magazine cover is available online in legitimate sites, and if I find a better quality version of it, it can be posted on the e621.net?
Since this post was approved a year ago:
https://e621.net/posts/4648965
nikopol said:
I'm also borrowing this thread for my question
Next time just make a new thread.
Some people might confuse the old discussion as being recently posted and reply to that instead of yours, resulting in them unknowingly attempting to restart a long-dead discussion.
Do I understand correctly, if the magazine cover is available online in legitimate sites, and if I find a better quality version of it, it can be posted on the e621.net?
It's hard to determine what are "legitimate sites" since resellers or third-parties can post sample screenshots that can otherwise be considered as "leaked" content.
Bottom line is that it needs to come from the artist directly or the official group or publisher that they are under, or be granted permissions from them to post it.
Since this post was approved a year ago:
https://e621.net/posts/4648965
As for this...
Judging by the sources:
If you are looking to do proper archiving of old works, you can try contacting the original artists of the comic for their permission. You might even be able to get some of the raw originals if you ask about it.
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thegreatwolfgang said:
Next time just make a new thread.
Okay, I just see people do it all the time if they have similar questions
Bottom line is that it needs to come from the artist directly or the official group or publisher that they are under, or be granted permissions from them to post it.
So this post was approved by mistake and should be removed? Judging by the information that was provided by poster
nikopol said:
Okay, I just see people do it all the time if they have similar questionsSo this post was approved by mistake and should be removed? Judging by the information that was provided by poster
People do it all the time, and they get ragged on for it all the time. The explicit rule is for when you're not actually contributing to the main discussion. This specific example is a bit of a gray area as it is additive but could also just be a separate topic. There is also contextual considerations for how old it is, but typically something that's more than a year old should be it's own thread (note that this is a safe threshold, not a lower bound).
To answer your question, that's something you should pose to a janitor by flagging the post. This sort of thing is why we really aren't fond of people inferring what's acceptable by using old posts; aside from grandfathered_content, no approval is final, and anything can be reviewed & rejected at any time.
Okay, last question, then
This cover of magazine was posted by the author of the cover art:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/5589236/
It's okay to post it here, right?
If I have a much better quality scan, is it also ok to post it here?
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I edited my original comment with some new insight on the first post mentioned.
From the looks of it now, it may seem to be leaked content. Pending clarification from a ticket I had just sent.
nikopol said:
Okay, last question, thenThis cover of magazine was posted by the author of the cover art:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/5589236/It's okay to post it here, right?
He does not seem to be the original artist based on the description and the comment he made below.
On the contrary, he seems to be a third-party posting a scan of the physical cover to advertise their eBay listing.
If I have a much better quality scan, is it also ok to post it here?
No, you are not the artist nor do you have the artist's permission to do so.
Everything is still considered as commercial content even if it cannot be bought today.
The only case this would be allowed is if the artist/publisher posted it themselves or you had been granted permission to do so.
EDIT: I saw your earlier edited comment posting a link to https://yerf.metafur.org/. If the artist posted there themselves, then everything there can be posted. However, I can't seem to find the "posters" of the artwork so I cannot verify. You can try asking the artist themselves on FA for clarification or permission.
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thegreatwolfgang said:
He does not seem to be the original artist based on the description and the comment he made below.
Whops, didn't read the description carefully
Anyway, so these can be posted as is, but it is forbidden to post any other versions not from artist or publisher directly:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10615653/
and
https://yerf.metafur.org/gibsroz/jnocover.jpg
from here
https://yerf.metafur.org/gibsroz?page=2
And this applies to any digital representation of physical media and art?
nikopol said:
Anyway, so these can be posted as is, but it is forbidden to post any other versions not from artist or publisher directly:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10615653/
and
https://yerf.metafur.org/gibsroz/jnocover.jpg
from here
https://yerf.metafur.org/gibsroz?page=2And this applies to any digital representation of physical media and art?
The ones posted by the artist themselves, even if they are digital representations of physical media/commercial content, are completely free-to-post.
I cannot comment on whether or not https://yerf.metafur.org/ is a good site to post from since the posters/uploaders of the artworks there are not listed. It could be the artist themselves or it could also be some third-party.
Based on Wikifur, artists were apparently invited or had granted permission for their artworks to be there, but I'm not sure if that policy was followed through after being passed onto another owner nearly a decade ago.
thegreatwolfgang said:
The ones posted by the artist themselves, even if they are digital representations of physical media/commercial content, are completely free-to-post.
But if someone made their own scan of this exact same magazine cover (while this version by artist also online too), it's not allowed?
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nikopol said:
But if someone made their own scan of this exact same magazine cover (while this version by artist also online too), it's not allowed?
No, third-party uploads are not allowed even though it may look identical.
This is because the artist retains control over certain aspects like image size, image clarity, etc. and they may not want to allow third-parties from creating "better" versions.
Certain rights may also be retained by the publishers, if they are still active.
However, all of this can be bypassed with the artist's or publisher's official permission (depending on who holds the rights for the magazine cover).
