Forum - [APPROVED] Turning The Disambiguation Tags Into Invalid-Type Tags (Bulk Update Request)

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change category 360_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category aaron_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category abyssinian_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category ada_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category aidan_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
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change category closed_(disambiguation) (155) -> invalid
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change category featureless_(disambiguation) (2522) -> invalid
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change category itch_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category jack_(disambiguation) (28) -> invalid
change category jade_(disambiguation) (55) -> invalid
change category jake_(disambiguation) (18) -> invalid
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change category naomi_(disambiguation) (53) -> invalid
change category natalie_(disambiguation) (7) -> invalid
change category needle_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
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change category night_light_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
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change category rakshasa_(disambiguation) (3) -> invalid
change category ready_(disambiguation) (21) -> invalid
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change category sabertooth_(disambiguation) (-28) -> invalid
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change category shiny_(disambiguation) (1) -> invalid
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change category shot_(disambiguation) (7) -> invalid
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change category skunkette_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
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change category tigress_(disambiguation) (8) -> invalid
change category tiny_(disambiguation) (81) -> invalid
change category toad_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category tom_cat_(disambiguation) (8) -> invalid
change category tommy_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
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change category triangle_(disambiguation) (36) -> invalid
change category turntable_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category twintails_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category umbra_(disambiguation) (19) -> invalid
change category unknown_(disambiguation) (55) -> invalid
change category ursula_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category venus_(disambiguation) (12) -> invalid
change category vera_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category veronica_(disambiguation) (18) -> invalid
change category vr_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category wall_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category wang_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category web_(disambiguation) (30) -> invalid
change category wild_dog_(disambiguation) (15) -> invalid
change category will_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category william_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category willy_(disambiguation) (9) -> invalid
change category windows_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category wool_(disambiguation) (10) -> invalid
change category writing_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category yellow_jacket_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category yuri_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category zane_(disambiguation) (7) -> invalid
change category zack_(disambiguation) (9) -> invalid
change category zeke_(disambiguation) (0) -> invalid
change category zoo_(disambiguation) (2) -> invalid

Reason: Another big BUR. This one focuses on a multitude of tags being re-categorized as invalid-type tags, and tags being aliased to their disambiguation counterparts.

Tags Removed From the BUR Due to Error Messages When Submitted

alias ace_(character) -> ace_(disambiguation)
alias close -> closed_(disambiguation)
alias renard -> reynard_(disambiguation)
alias yellow_jacket -> yellow_jacket_(disambiguation)
alias yellowjacket -> yellow_jacket_(disambiguation)

Edit:

I may have to split this BUR into two separate BURs, due to an error when trying to view the page for this specific BUR.

Edit 2:

Whatever issue preventing this BUR's page from being viewed seems to have been resolved.
Removed the category updates oxcart_(disambiguation) -> invalid and white_paws_(disambiguation) -> invalid.
Added alias white_paws_(anatomy) -> white_paws_(disambiguation), and to update white_paws_(disambiguation) -> white_paws.

EDIT: The bulk update request #295 (forum #297021) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

Updated by auto moderator over 2 years ago

user 187249

Member

about 4 years ago

The bulk update request #296 has been rejected.

Reason: The second half of the BUR.

Edit:

After checking, the page for the second BUR is viewable, but the page for the first BUR still returns some error. This may have something to do with the category dtext, possibly pertaining to re-categorizing tags as invalid-type tags.

Edit 2:

Altered the alias oxcart -> oxcart_(disambiguation) (and similar aliases) to now be oxcart -> ox_cart (and similar aliases, including oxcart_(disambiguation) -> ox_cart).

EDIT: The bulk update request #296 (forum #297022) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

Updated by auto moderator almost 2 years ago

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

Do you think this will encourage people to just remove the tags from the pages instead of replacing them with the proper tags?

Invalid tags are not supposed to be there, not necessarily tags that have valid alternatives.

Will edit this post with further comments.

Comments

I really hope you took the time to check that the character tags really needed aliasing to the disambiguation. It would take me quite a long time to check every case. Sometimes there is only one or two characters that share a character tag. If they get tagged right the first time, why change that?

Not sure why Kibbles was disambiguated in the first place. the tag was entirely of one character and the disambiguation page could just be mass moved to the kibbles character tag. Not if your alias of kibble goes through though.
Is there a good reason why sun flare needs disambiguating? Has anyone gotten it confused with lens flare?
ox-cart has one meaning as far as I can tell. Why are you suggesting it be disambiguated?

We should really reverse the disambiguation on white_paws. There is only two character images named as white paws right now. The rest are actual white paws.

Updated about 4 years ago

Watsit

Privileged

about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
Do you think this will encourage people to just remove the tags from the pages instead of replacing them with the proper tags?
Invalid tags are not supposed to be there, not necessarily tags that have valid alternatives.

Disambiguation tags aren't supposed to be there either, it just means someone added a tag that is too generic or unclear in what it means. Invalid tags sometimes have the same purpose; a tag that's not useful itself but the tagger may have meant something else.

If invalid tags are to be kept around for someone to check and properly retag (the entire purpose of the Invalid tag category as I understand it), that fits with how disambiguation tags should be handled too. They should be checked and either removed or replaced with a better tag as necessary.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

Disambiguation tags are merely tagging projects. Invalid tag group is for users to notice tag mistakes they made while uploading. Are they just supposed to know the difference between a tag that cannot be used and a tag that is too vague? It is perfectly fine for disambiguation posts to stay around populated. Every now and then I come across one and I fix it.

Furthermore I would say that disambiguations are often difficult to correct at times. We would have to accept that there will be invalid tags that sit around for months with posts in them and deal with the fact of random users trying to clean (vandalize) the tags.

I'm also concerned that we're about to fill the invalid tag category with hundreds of unfixed newly disambiguated posts. Users haven't even had the chance to clear those character tags yet and it will take a long time to clear out the number of images involved in that BUR.

Who knows how people might react to this very new category and the inclusion of these tags that weren't treated as invalid tags before.

Updated about 4 years ago

Watsit

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about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
Disambiguation tags are merely tagging projects. Invalid tag group is for users to notice tag mistakes they made while uploading.

Both should be fixed as soon as they can be. An ambiguous tag is as much a mistake as an invalid tag, as they're not useful to have as they are and end up cluttering the tag list.

thevileone said:
Are they just supposed to know the difference between a tag that cannot be used and a tag that is too vague?

If someone doesn't know why a tag is in the Invalid category, they should look at the wiki (using the helpful ? link right next to it in the tag list). For instance, eye is an invalid tag and its wiki gives you

eye said:
See wiki eyes for eye-related tags.
If you're looking for tag for one-eyed creatures, see the 1_eye.

While couple is ambiguous and gives you:

couple_(disambiguation) said:
Couple is an ambiguous term that may refer to:
duo, used when an image only contains two characters.
duo_focus, used when two characters are the main focus of the image, but the image contains multiple characters.
married_couple - Two or more character who appear to be married.
romantic_couple, used when two characters are visibly in love with each other.
For more information see forum #228396.

thevileone said:
I'm also concerned that we're about to fill the invalid tag category with hundreds of unfixed newly disambiguated posts. Users haven't even had the chance to clear those character tags yet and it will take a long time to clear out the number of images involved in that BUR.

I don't see how that's a problem. What does it matter that ambiguous tags won't be in General? The tags themselves aren't being changed in meaning -- invalid tags are still invalid, and ambiguous tags still get disambiguations. The tags are still there, waiting to be fixed by any tagger that wants to fix them, just like before, it's just better categorizing them by moving tags that aren't useful out of the General category.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

watsit said:
Both should be fixed as soon as they can be. An ambiguous tag is as much a mistake as an invalid tag, as they're not useful to have as they are and end up cluttering the tag list.
If someone doesn't know why a tag is in the Invalid category, they should look at the wiki (using the helpful ? link right next to it in the tag list). For instance, eye is an invalid tag and its wiki gives you
While couple is ambiguous and gives you:
I don't see how that's a problem. What does it matter that ambiguous tags won't be in General? The tags themselves aren't being changed in meaning -- invalid tags are still invalid, and ambiguous tags still get disambiguations. The tags are still there, waiting to be fixed by any tagger that wants to fix them, just like before, it's just better categorizing them by moving tags that aren't useful out of the General category.

They wont be fixed. They will be labeled as invalid tags and randomly removed by people without being replaced with proper tags. Just moving them to a new category isn't going to dwell up motivation to work on those tagging projects.

It is this mislabeling that concerns me. Disambiguation is a really obscure English word and I'm sure many don't know what it means. I don't think there will be enough guidance on the subject, especially not so if we dump every disambiguation tag that ever existed into the category before most of the actual invalid tags are included without any guidance at all or ensuring that those tags have proper wikis.

What about this plan will inform people that those tags should be treated differently than other invalid tags?

Strikerman

Janitor

about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
Disambiguation is a really obscure English word and I'm sure many don't know what it means.

...Really? It's not super common in casual conversations, but I've heard people use "disambiguate" plenty more than a few times.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

I wonder how many 6 syllable words non-English speakers frequently encounter. I have seen many people get confused about alias and implication and those words are more commonly used than disambiguate and there are multiple places on the site that explain those terms, and there isn't really a place that describes what disambiguation means.

I don't think you can obtain the meaning by breaking apart the word.

dis

would mean not to

dis-ambiguation

Okay so not to ambiguation. Well that doesn't make sense.

Ohh dis in this case means take away or no. Well lets assume a non-English speaker knows enough to get that far.

Take away ambiguation. Okay, still got a 5 syllable word to figure out. [They could take the ation suffix next and get it down to ambiguate from that, which not even Google Chrome recognizes as a word].

Can you grasp its meaning from how it is spelled? I can't.

I guess you just need to know the root form is ambiguous and know what that means. Maybe google translate will help them.

English can be a rough language to understand sometimes.

Updated about 4 years ago

darryus

Member

about 4 years ago

do people really not know what "disambiguation" means I feel like in the era of Wikipedia and fan wikis it'd be fairly commonly used or at least known word? also we have several common tags with "ambiguous" in the tag name, and peeps know what those mean.

Watsit

Privileged

about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
They wont be fixed. They will be labeled as invalid tags and randomly removed by people without being replaced with proper tags. Just moving them to a new category isn't going to dwell up motivation to work on those tagging projects.

It's not going to harm motivation to work on those tagging projects either, but it will clean up the General category to only hold proper tags, and people who don't want the tag list unnecessarily cluttered can hide the Invalid category that hold the bad tags. If people just wantonly remove tags from the Invalid category without making obvious fixes, that could be seen as tagging vandalism. But if people aren't already going around deleting *_(disambiguation) tags without adding obvious fixes, they shouldn't start just because it's in the Invalid category. If anyone does without adding the appropriate tags, they should be told to stop.

thevileone said:
What about this plan will inform people that those tags should be treated differently than other invalid tags?

How should they be treated differently? What do you see as the purpose of the Invalid category? As I understand it, the whole purpose of having the Invalid category is so taggers can check the tags over and try to fix them if needed; if they're just deletion fodder for random users, there's no reason to bother with the Invalid category and invalid tags should just stay aliased to invalid_tag for easy deletion.

Strikerman

Janitor

about 4 years ago

darryus said:
do people really not know what "disambiguation" means I feel like in the era of Wikipedia and fan wikis it'd be fairly commonly used or at least known word? also we have several common tags with "ambiguous" in the tag name, and peeps know what those mean.

Even if "disambiguation" is a completely alien word to someone, I refuse to believe that "ambiguous" is outside of their vocabulary entirely.

Watsit

Privileged

about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
I wonder how many 6 syllable words non-English speakers frequently encounter. [...]
English can be a rough language to understand sometimes.

Honestly, if someone doesn't know what a tag means, they shouldn't be touching the tag. "I don't know what couple_(disambiguation) means or why it's there, so I'll just delete it"? That's the kind of thing people get a talking to about.

darryus

Member

about 4 years ago

watsit said:
Honestly, if someone doesn't know what a tag means, they shouldn't be touching the tag. "I don't know what couple_(disambiguation) means or why it's there, so I'll just delete it"? That's the kind of thing people get a talking to about.

I think the argument is that people will just delete stuff from the "invalid" tag section outright without thinking about it. but honestly if people do that I'd argue that deserves a tagging abuse record.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

Just remember that you are already coming at the problem from someone who already knows how everything works. You know what those tags mean.

I didn't know what disambiguation meant for the better part of a year, and I had to look up the term, before I really understood it. That's from my personal experience, and now it is a word I just know about. Invalid is an uncommon word, but we have easy to access info about it in case people don't know what it means. But the problem is that that source tells people they should remove it.

They have been told that invalid tags should just be removed for years. Now we just flood the invalid category with these tags and we are just expecting them to not just remove them like we have been telling them to do.. On the assumption that they must know what disambiguation means on our site and know how to fix these tagging projects, even though we don't have a convenient wiki to tell them what that word means like we did for invalid tags.

I think it would be a lot clearer to put them into a separate category called Tagging projects, because that's what they are. Sure the tags shouldn't be there, but they still provide content for people and match the qualification of a valid tag. A disambiguation tag is merely a tag in which there is some uncertainty in what specific concept is in the image.

Tagging projects tells people exactly how those tags should be treated. you don't even need an obscure 6 syllable word to know what tagging project might mean.

Updated about 4 years ago

darryus

Member

about 4 years ago

disambiguation tags are, by definition, invalid though, ambiguous tags do not belong on posts, they should always be replaced by valid tags. if users are removing disambiguation tags without replacing them with valid tags, they probably should be dinged for tagging abuse. either way, these tags have wiki pages that explain their purpose, so that should be enough.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

A lot of those disambiguation tags in the BUR are missing wiki pages BTW. Don't assume that there is a wiki page that explains the purpose for every disambiguation tag.

Strikerman

Janitor

about 4 years ago

thevileone said:
A lot of those disambiguation tags in the BUR are missing wiki pages BTW. Don't assume that there is a wiki page that explains the purpose for every disambiguation tag.

So let's add wiki pages to them.

Fluffball

Member

about 4 years ago

Look, I just suggesting we slow down a bit. I said before that the BUR adds hundreds of images to new disambiguation pages. It will be wiser to take the time to clear out the pages first and make sure they all have wikis before we make such a change. This will minimize any damage caused by people not understanding how to treat the new invalid category that has been unused for months now.

It wont be easy to check for vandalism if everything just suddenly gets thrown to the wolves before most of the real invalid tags are added to the list. It may also be a good idea to give people time to adjust, give an announcement on the forums about it. Tell people that disambiguations are tagging projects or at least include this in the invalid_tag wiki as part of a migration.

I would personally be happier if they were part of their own category, because it lets people know how to handle the tags without assuming they know. But that's just my personal opinion.

user 187249

Member

about 4 years ago

I should clarify that the *_(disambiguation) tags are being re-categorized to the Invalid category in these BURs, not being aliased to invalid_tag. I think re-categorizing the *_(disambiguation) tags under the Invalid category will help make *_(disambiguation) tags more visible, as well as more clearly indicate that another tag would be preferred instead.
It will likely take some time to give all the *_(disambiguation) tags a proper wiki. However, I think this is better than leaving the *_(disambiguation) tags as they are, where they can be easily overlooked among the General category tags. This process also does not need to be rushed. There is plenty of time to write those missing wikis before these BURs are approved.
The *_(disambiguation) suffix has been used for a while on here and other commonly used websites, and I don't see much issue with leaving this suffix how it currently is. If lots of folks think that another suffix should be used instead, perhaps something like *_(ambiguous), *_(ambiguous_tag), or *_(ambiguation) could be used instead. Though I do think utilizing something equivalent to *_(disambiguation) is better than not utilizing anything like *_(disambiguation) at all. A Tagging Project category seems largely unnecessary, since the Invalid category would conceivably take on this purpose.

And like folks said, someone removing *_(disambiguation) tags without adding a replacement should probably be reported for tagging vandalism. Folks should also be informed about how to handle the *_(disambiguation) tags, and refining the wikis for the *_(disambiguation) tags to clarify how they should be utilized could help with that.

I've checked through the vast majority of these tags (particularly character names) before adding them to these BURs. The character names are commonly used and have several variations for each of them, making them ambiguous. I'll fix any aliases that were mistakenly added onto here.
The kibbles_(disambiguation) tag seems fine since there are several variations of kibble or kibbles when searching for tags with 'kibble' in the name.
I guess I had added sun_flare_(disambiguation) since it was among the *_(disambiguation) tags when I was compiling this BUR. There is only one example of a character named sun_flare, so it may be better to alias sun_flare and sun_flare_(disambiguation) to solar_flare instead. However, it seems that there are several characters and artists with the name 'solar_flare' and thus solar_flare may need a disambiguation itself. I'm just not sure what suffix to use for the solar_flare variation that describes the astronomical phenomenon. I'll wait to alter these tags to hear what to do about solar_flare.
The oxcart_(disambiguation) tag was also added while I was going through the *_(disambiguation) tags, but all these variants can probably be aliased to ox_cart since there isn't any other uses.
Looking through the tags, white_paws_(disambiguation) should probably be replaced (as well as white_paws_(anatomy)) with white_paws, since rugun_whitepaws and whitepaws_(character) are the only other tags with white_paws in their names.

user 187249

Member

about 4 years ago

The bulk update request #427 is active.

change category selena_(disambiguation) (3) -> invalid
create alias selena (0) -> selena_(disambiguation) (3)
create alias selena_(character) (0) -> selena_(disambiguation) (3)
create alias selena_(oc) (0) -> selena_(disambiguation) (3)

Reason: A small BUR for aliasing selena/selena_(character)/selena_(oc) -> selena_(disambiguation), as well as re-categorizing selena_(disambiguation) as an Invalid category tag.

EDIT: The bulk update request #427 (forum #300259) has been approved by @Millcore.

Updated by auto moderator about 4 years ago

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Janitor

about 4 years ago

The bulk update request #427 (forum #300259) has been approved by @Millcore.

gattonero2001

Janitor

almost 4 years ago

The bulk update request #668 is active.

remove implication black_jack_(character) (0) -> black_jack_(manga) (4)
create implication black_jack_(osamu_tezuka) (4) -> black_jack_(manga) (4)
create implication pinoko_(black_jack) (2) -> black_jack_(manga) (4)
remove implication mara (6) -> caviid (1636)
remove implication patagonian_mara (8) -> mara (6)
remove implication chacoan_mara (0) -> mara (6)
create implication mara_(genus) (5) -> caviid (1636)
create implication patagonian_mara (8) -> mara_(genus) (5)
create implication chacoan_mara (0) -> mara_(genus) (5)
remove implication cera (0) -> the_land_before_time (600)
remove alias cera_(land_before_time) (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias cera_(tlbt) (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias strong-willed_cera (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias cera_(the_land_before_time) (222) -> cera (0)
remove alias sweet_but_strong-willed_cera (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias strong_willed_cera (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias cera_(lbt) (0) -> cera (0)
remove alias sweet_but_strong_willed_cera (0) -> cera (0)
mass update cera -> cera_(the_land_before_time)
remove alias bethany_sellers (0) -> vera (1)
remove alias pravusbelua (0) -> vera (1)
remove alias yellow_jacket (4) -> yellowjacket_(disambiguation) (0)
remove alias yellowjacket (0) -> yellowjacket_(disambiguation) (0)

Reason: Removing the # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR errors in D.D.M.'s BUR

EDIT: The bulk update request #668 (forum #304529) has been approved by @Millcore.

Updated by auto moderator almost 4 years ago

user 187249

Member

almost 4 years ago

Thank you for checking through those errors on my BUR! I had completely forgotten about those. :)

auto moderator

Janitor

almost 4 years ago

The bulk update request #668 (forum #304529) has been approved by @Millcore.

ListerTheSquirrel

Member

over 3 years ago

thevileone said:
Do you think this will encourage people to just remove the tags from the pages instead of replacing them with the proper tags?
Invalid tags are not supposed to be there, not necessarily tags that have valid alternatives.
...

Maybe a new category type of ambiguous, disambiguate, (or similar)??

(edit: disambiguate category possibly better then ambiguous category, since there *ambiguous* tags such as male/ambiguous and ambiguous_species)

~~Perhaps colored yellow?~~ (EDIT: oh wait yellow might be too similar to artist tag color of soft orange)
Perhaps colored red? (or pink) (similar to invalid tags being colored red)

Updated over 3 years ago

bitWolfy

Former Staff

over 2 years ago

I finally got around to taking care of this horrific monstrosity.

I'll note some changes to BUR #295 here.

The following lines had typos in them.
Check your BURs before you make them, lads.

category angelbites_(diambiguation) -> invalid
category black_jack_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category black_widow_(disambiguatino) -> invalid
category fight_club_(diambiguation) -> invalid

Removed the following lines, they should be in a separate BUR.
Preferably, being aliased to invalid_tag.

category a -> invalid
category something -> invalid
category to -> invalid

Removed the following lines because they don't really make sense.
I will need to review what the situation is with the white paws later.

alias white_paws_(anatomy) -> white_paws_(disambiguation)
update white_paws_(disambiguation) -> white_paws

Removed the following lines, are they are redundant.
The specified tags are already in the invalid category.

category check_tag_type -> invalid
category artist: -> invalid
category character: -> invalid
category copyright: -> invalid
category general: -> invalid
category species: -> invalid
category invalid_tag -> invalid
category invalid_color -> invalid

category ace_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category adam_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category butch_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category cat_ears_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category joel_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category joseph_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category luna_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category small_(disambiguation) -> invalid
category xavier_(disambiguation) -> invalid

And people wonder why I'm hesitant to review BURs like this.

auto moderator

Janitor

over 2 years ago

The bulk update request #295 (forum #297021) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

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