Topic: Got all my posts unnaproved and deletedd by 1 user in less than 2 minutes

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According to this it seems none of your posts were up to site standards. Seems odd to have a sudden "insufficient quality" strike when some of your stuff's been on here for about a year, though. This is puzzling...

Maybe stop spamming forums? If you make nonsense threads and then start it again once other gets locked, that will get you into trouble.
forum #294403

Also I cannot stop loving gelboorus 'Uploading One's Own Art is a Good Way to Get Your Feelings Hurt' in cases like this.

jacob said:
According to this it seems none of your posts were up to site standards. Seems odd to have a sudden "insufficient quality" strike when some of your stuff's been on here for about a year, though. This is puzzling...

post #1875344 was posted a year ago and deleted by me days after upload, never approved.
post #2056475 were posted 9 months ago, hanged in queue for month and was autodeleted by bot 8 months ago. This upload I could see easily being contested and even approved.

Rest of the posts were uploaded two days ago, NEVER APPROVED meaning they were also never unapproved and deleted today by me as we still have way too low amount of janitors and queue is constantly hanging at least by couple days.
All of these posts are really simplistic poses of freely available models from online in SFM, parts of the models expanded out of proportions, posed in black void enviroment, rendered in medium/low quality.

3D artwork is still handled pretty similar to material like edits, where we determine the artistic value as per what has been done with the assets provided, instead of just the assets themselves. This mainly means posing, animation and render. Othervice we would be accepting literally everyones first SFM projects here as most if not all available free models look acceptable.

Also as nitpick the files were most likely untouched direct SFM renders as they took over 8MB when simply resaving the image turns it closer to 300KB.

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mairo said:

Also I cannot stop loving gelboorus 'Uploading One's Own Art is a Good Way to Get Your Feelings Hurt' in cases like this.

That's one super-fucking-toxic way to approach art. Such a shame eSix dominates the furry art community, even more of a shame that its mods promote such a toxic and hateful way to treat anyone who takes it upon themself to create something.
"Admins and moderators are especially harsh on self-posting artists, lashing out penalties without remorse.
Seriously I'm sorry but that is the kinda shit that makes this site (and many others like it) so horrendously toxic unless you're on the famous level of Dimmie, Blitz, or similar...

I'm not saying that low-quality stuff should be all over the place like weeds, but there's no place for the animosity towards the new/small guys that this place has. You can enforce quality rules without being a dick about it, especially when y'alls approval/denial system is arbitrary at best.
https://e621.net/posts/2266670
That shouldn't be taken as a joke. That's how people, especially artists, feel about uploading shit here.
God only knows I await the day a booru opens that is friendly to all artists.

dunewulff said:
God only knows I await the day a booru opens that is friendly to all artists.

Participation trophy?

Seriously, the admin here have been neither unfriendly nor capricious. In almost every case when I hear these complaints, it's because someone got a decision they didn't like and can't get over it.

bitWolfy

Former Staff

dunewulff said: God only knows I await the day a booru opens that is friendly to all artists.

There are plenty of sites that let you post pretty much anything. Having some actual standards is a feature of E621, not an issue to be solved.
God only knows there are enough shitty SFM renders already. We really don't need any more.

For everyone's sake, e621 should not be a primary publishing source for new artwork. On websites made for publishing artwork, like FA or Inkbunny, you are able to post whatever you like, acquire followers, get feedback, and interact with a community. e621 doesn't fill any of these roles and makes the relationship between the viewer and the artwork/artist as clinical as possible.

e621 is a community archive of high quality artwork from other sources. The standards required to achieve this goal don't necessarily line up with the needs of budding new artists who want to share and get feedback on their "failed attempts", "first time what do u think" and low effort WIPs.

Considering the high standards on this site when it comes to art (I still get pains because some of my artworks got deleted because someone uploaded a bigger version of my artwork), is there any booru that focuses on 3d renderings such as from GMod, SFM, Blender, Daz, etc.?

dunewulff said:
That's one super-fucking-toxic way to approach art. Such a shame eSix dominates the furry art community, even more of a shame that its mods promote such a toxic and hateful way to treat anyone who takes it upon themself to create something.
"Admins and moderators are especially harsh on self-posting artists, lashing out penalties without remorse.
Seriously I'm sorry but that is the kinda shit that makes this site (and many others like it) so horrendously toxic unless you're on the famous level of Dimmie, Blitz, or similar...

I'm not saying that low-quality stuff should be all over the place like weeds, but there's no place for the animosity towards the new/small guys that this place has. You can enforce quality rules without being a dick about it, especially when y'alls approval/denial system is arbitrary at best.
https://e621.net/posts/2266670
That shouldn't be taken as a joke. That's how people, especially artists, feel about uploading shit here.
God only knows I await the day a booru opens that is friendly to all artists.

This kinda touches the always relevant argumentation of Creator vs Content.

We are almost literally all about the content. Content is what we handle, content is what we host, content is what we try to curate, archive and index. You as creator of the content will have bias towards pushing your own content and this is where the problem lies. That is equilevant of someone making video game, then posting review of the game, that review will be extremely skewed where someone who simply consumes video games plays it and does review will see it in more even playground in comparison to other games and medium. What sites like Gelbooru are saying is that if your work is actually above the acceptable quality level, then people will find your work and start posting it naturally, where if you post your work yourself, you are coming in unprotected and unfiltered and we respond in similar manner with delete button in many cases.

Additionally sites like this focus on content if that wasn't clarified enough, which is also why this place is not creator friendly. We require that the file is in as good condition as it can be (one of the main reason why we do appreciate creators who do post their own content, because many furry sites do actively downgrade the quality a lot), tagged to at least moderately well, possibly pooled and othervice linked and of course sourced properly. Many creators do none of these things or extremely poorly, which burdens everyone else and stops stuff like blacklists from functioning. We have at least couple creators who are permabanned because of constant violations in these fronts, even if their artwork is still being posted constantly.

When this becomes problematic is when creators take things on personal level and because it's their content, of course it is personal on some degree. I know this sounds extremely harsh, but this does literally waste staffs time to explain things which are already written many times before and control outbursts like these two forum threads (to far lesser degree in this instance luckily). So this is also why I do not see problem with gelboorus approach, as you can either waste your time and have angry people or not waste your time and have angry people.

e621 doesn't want to bite the hand that is feeding, this is why we do not have any rules or guidelines of one posting their own content and we have things like extremely fast takedowns and active and enforced DNP list. It's also really nice to see artists and creators who know how things operate to actually help and improve things here.
At the same time, I am simply tired of spending literal hours on situations like these which shouldn't be more than 2 seconds for deletion of post of someones first try at SFM (which happens nearly weekly).

dunewulff said:
That's one super-fucking-toxic way to approach art. Such a shame eSix dominates the furry art community, even more of a shame that its mods promote such a toxic and hateful way to treat anyone who takes it upon themself to create something.
"Admins and moderators are especially harsh on self-posting artists, lashing out penalties without remorse.
Seriously I'm sorry but that is the kinda shit that makes this site (and many others like it) so horrendously toxic unless you're on the famous level of Dimmie, Blitz, or similar...

I'm not saying that low-quality stuff should be all over the place like weeds, but there's no place for the animosity towards the new/small guys that this place has. You can enforce quality rules without being a dick about it, especially when y'alls approval/denial system is arbitrary at best.
https://e621.net/posts/2266670
That shouldn't be taken as a joke. That's how people, especially artists, feel about uploading shit here.
God only knows I await the day a booru opens that is friendly to all artists.

I don't see it as toxic at all. When you have a site whose bread and butter, used to appeal to and draw in users, is the curation of content hosted by the site, then you're inevitably going to butt heads with self-important divas who were never told before that they needed to improve.

You claim to not be supporting "low-quality stuff", but when you advance the argument that the creator takes precedence over the content, you really, really are supporting low-quality stuff.

There's already sites that will accept any kind of content, regardless. FurAffinity and fchan immediately spring to mind. A person can post all the low-effort SFM and Skyrim screencaps they want over there.

Uploading one's own artwork is an easy way to get your feelings hurt.

ikdind said:
I don't see it as toxic at all. When you have a site whose bread and butter, used to appeal to and draw in users, is the curation of content hosted by the site, then you're inevitably going to butt heads with self-important divas who were never told before that they needed to improve.

You claim to not be supporting "low-quality stuff", but when you advance the argument that the creator takes precedence over the content, you really, really are supporting low-quality stuff.

There's already sites that will accept any kind of content, regardless. FurAffinity and fchan immediately spring to mind. A person can post all the low-effort SFM and Skyrim screencaps they want over there.

Uploading one's own artwork is an easy way to get your feelings hurt.

I mean, okay, fine, I'll back away from the "self-important divas" bit. I work in a creative industry, have been for a decade and a half, I have coworkers who actively ignore professional criticism of their work because they view it as invalid. That's not to say that all criticism is of equal value, but for me it really speaks to a person's character when they consider all criticism of any sort to be invalid, unless it falls strictly within the professional requirements of their job.

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