So from what I've seen, the only difference right now between the young and loli tags is that loli is specifically female. Is this correct? If it is, then it seems like the tag isn't being used as much as it should (same with the shota tag). So does the loli tag actually mean more than just young female?

I ask because it feels odd tagging young female ferals as loli, and I want to make sure I'm not incorrectly tagging by doing so.

Young humanoid female, yes.

No, you do not tag ferals with the loli tag, no matter how young they are. Honestly, in my opinion, young female anthros (such as Lili Stormstout ) shouldn't get the tag, either, 'cause when loli fans use the word, they tend to mean young human females...but that doesn't seem to be how the tag is used here, so I'm not gonna' argue. Anyway, yeah, the young female has to be humanoid to get the loli tag.

I would have assumed it was only humanoids as well, but I know I've seen young ferals tagged as loli on this site. Also I didn't see anything in the description of the tag specifying humanoid, only specifying that it applies to both humans and cubs.
I wouldn't want to remove a loli tag from a feral post if the site uses the tag that way.

Andkar said:
I would have assumed it was only humanoids as well, but I know I've seen young ferals tagged as loli on this site.

Then those images have been improperly tagged. That's not the way the tag is used.

Jacob said:
No, you do not tag ferals with the loli tag, no matter how young they are. Honestly, in my opinion, young female anthros (such as Lili Stormstout ) shouldn't get the tag, either, 'cause when loli fans use the word, they tend to mean young human females...but that doesn't seem to be how the tag is used here, so I'm not gonna' argue. Anyway, yeah, the young female has to be humanoid to get the loli tag.

It's Li Li you noob. And it's a humanoid (pandaren), not anthro (panda).

AoBird said:
It's Li Li you noob. And it's a humanoid (pandaren), not anthro (panda).

Um... might want to check Pandaren humanoid solo and Pandaren anthro solo, to confirm what you're saying. Pandaren are treated as anthros here, not humanoids.

Secondly, has no one looked at the loli wiki page? I will quote: "A Loli is a female character who resembles and appears to be preadolescent. This phrase is used to refer to humans and cubs alike."

Unless someone wants to argue that the wiki page is out of date, that's how it's used right now. Furthermore, our site uses the context that lolis are at minimum sexualized. Again, quoting: "Note: This should only be tagged for explicit and sexually suggestive content."

Shota mirrors the loli tag, but for males. Any human(oid)s or cubs alike, and usually rating:q or above.

human loli
humanoid loli
anthro cub loli
feral cub female loli

human shota
humanoid shota
anthro cub shota
feral cub male shota

Jacob said:
Honestly, in my opinion, young female anthros (such as Lili Stormstout ) shouldn't get the tag, either, 'cause when loli fans use the word, they tend to mean young human females...

I don't think I've ever seen anyone strictly apply it to human girls only. Even people who don't like furry are usually fine with at least some non-human fictional races like elves or monster girls. And on every site I can think of which allows both furry and loli, lolis still get tagged as lolis even if they're furry. Besides e621, Inkbunny, pixiv, ExHentai, Gelbooru, and more all tag it in the same way; it's pretty standard.

Siral_Exan said:
Um... might want to check Pandaren humanoid solo and Pandaren anthro solo, to confirm what you're saying. Pandaren are treated as anthros here, not humanoids.

Secondly, has no one looked at the loli wiki page? I will quote: "A Loli is a female character who resembles and appears to be preadolescent. This phrase is used to refer to humans and cubs alike."

Unless someone wants to argue that the wiki page is out of date, that's how it's used right now. Furthermore, our site uses the context that lolis are at minimum sexualized. Again, quoting: "Note: This should only be tagged for explicit and sexually suggestive content."

Shota mirrors the loli tag, but implies male. Any human(oid)s or cubs alike, and usually rating:q or above.

Well then it's wrong.

If we consider that humans are humanoid monkeys, pandaren are then humanoid pandas. They evolved from animals and it's their base form now. We tag humanoid human, not anthro monkey, same should be applied to humanoid pandaren, not anthro panda.

Anthros are animals that are given human traits. They are like pushed to evolve to humanoid form, but it is not their base form.
I mean, they look the same, but the lore behind the looks is different.

Edit: When I think about it, the difference is in the species. We have a humanoid werewolf and have (kind of) humanoid centaur. They are both anthropomorphized wolf and horse, but they have some lore and bunch of art and now they are a species and not a random animal with human traits aka anthro animal.

AoBird said:
Well then it's wrong.

If we consider that humans are humanoid monkeys, pandaren are then humanoid pandas. They evolved from animals and it's their base form now. We tag humanoid human, not anthro monkey, same should be applied to humanoid pandaren, not anthro panda.

Anthros are animals that are given human traits. They are like pushed to evolve to humanoid form, but it is not their base form.

I mean, they look the same, but the lore behind the looks is different.

... did you just cite lore on a site that uses TWYS? This site treats humans as humans, elves as humanoids, and bears as either anthro or feral. Before the whole tag changes, Pandaren used to imply bear, and now it implies the aliased ursid. This means they are treated as bears, not as bear_humanoids. This means they are tagged as anthro (or feral, due to artistic freedom), not humanoid.

If you don't know, here is the pandaren wiki. They are anthropomorphic and look like bears, so what are they?

AoBird said:
Well then it's wrong.

If we consider that humans are humanoid monkeys, pandaren are then humanoid pandas. They evolved from animals and it's their base form now. We tag humanoid human, not anthro monkey, same should be applied to humanoid pandaren, not anthro panda.

Anthros are animals that are given human traits. They are like pushed to evolve to humanoid form, but it is not their base form.
I mean, they look the same, but the lore behind the looks is different.

Edit: When I think about it, the difference is in the species. We have a humanoid werewolf and have (kind of) humanoid centaur. They are both anthropomorphized wolf and horse, but they have some lore and bunch of art and now they are a species and not a random animal with human traits.

The werewolf tag is a hosh posh of confusion in my own opinion. but centaurs are quite easy to see as being a humanoid creature. lest someone made a equid_taur

But pandarens being something that looks like a walking talking bear can be whatever it wants in its lore, but shouldn't get tagged humanoid.

AoBird said:
It's Li Li you noob. And it's a humanoid (pandaren), not anthro (panda).

AoBird said:
Well then it's wrong.

If we consider that humans are humanoid monkeys, pandaren are then humanoid pandas. They evolved from animals and it's their base form now. We tag humanoid human, not anthro monkey, same should be applied to humanoid pandaren, not anthro panda.

Anthros are animals that are given human traits. They are like pushed to evolve to humanoid form, but it is not their base form.
I mean, they look the same, but the lore behind the looks is different.

"Anthro" is short for "anthropomorphic." The prefix "anthro/anthropo" means "human, or human-like." The suffix "morphic" means "shaped." Thus, anthropomorhic literally means "human shaped." I dunno' where you got this idea that there's a difference between a humanoid animal and an anthro animal, but that is simply wrong. As far as concerns animals with human-like body shapes, anthropomorphic and humanoid are synonyms, not distinct classifications.

hanzai said:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone strictly apply it to human girls only. Even people who don't like furry are usually fine with at least some non-human fictional races like elves or monster girls. And on every site I can think of which allows both furry and loli, lolis still get tagged as lolis even if they're furry. Besides e621, Inkbunny, pixiv, ExHentai, Gelbooru, and more all tag it in the same way; it's pretty standard.

My main point was that outside of image hosting sites like this'n and the ones you mentioned, I've never seen the loli fanbase referring to anthro cubs as lolis. Yes, they do tend to include young elves/dwarves/etc., as well as young nekomimis/nezumimimis/etc., but not cubs.

Jacob said:
My main point was that outside of image hosting sites like this'n and the ones you mentioned, I've never seen the loli fanbase referring to anthro cubs as lolis. Yes, they do tend to include young elves/dwarves/etc., as well as young nekomimis/nezumimimis/etc., but not cubs.

as far as cub I believe what Siral was referring to was anthro cubs, not feral cubs.

Siral_Exan said:
... did you just cite lore on a site that uses TWYS? This site treats humans as humans, elves as humanoids, and bears as either anthro or feral. Before the whole tag changes, Pandaren used to imply bear, and now it implies the aliased ursid. This means they are treated as bears, not as bear_humanoids. This means they are tagged as anthro (or feral, due to artistic freedom), not humanoid.

If you don't know, here is the pandaren wiki. They are anthropomorphic and look like bears, so what are they?

I already said the look the same, the difference being pandaren are intelligent humanoid species where anthro pandas are when you take a panda and make it humanoid. So for pandaren, you draw as is, for panda you make changes (even if pandaren stems from panda).

AoBird said:
I already said the look the same, the difference being pandaren are intelligent humanoid species where anthro pandas are when you take a panda and make it humanoid. So for pandaren, you draw as is, for panda you make changes (even if pandaren stems from panda).

Ok... read the anthro, humanoid, animal_humanoid, and feral wikis. You are not using the tag humanoid right in this context, it has a unique definition and does not apply for fully anthropomorphic creatures. Pandaren are not humanoids on this site, since they look like fully anthropomorphic bears they get tagged as anthro, humanoids are not anthros here. This is not WoW, where they even get away with humanoids and undead by free will; this is e621, we don't give a fuck about sentience in our character, we use twys here. Using WoW terminology will not help you tag your characters here.

If you don't know how to tag what you see, there are users willing to help with that. But external knowledge is not what we do on e621, we are not WoW and we do not use game guidelines to tag our characters. Please, understand that difference.

Siral_Exan said:
Ok... read the anthro, humanoid, animal_humanoid, and feral wikis. You are not using the tag humanoid right in this context, it has a unique definition and does not apply for fully anthropomorphic creatures. Pandaren are not humanoids on this site, since they look like fully anthropomorphic bears they get tagged as anthro, humanoids are not anthros here. This is not WoW, where they even get away with humanoids and undead by free will; this is e621, we don't give a fuck about sentience in our character, we use twys here. Using WoW terminology will not help you tag your characters here.

If you don't know how to tag what you see, there are users willing to help with that. But external knowledge is not what we do on e621, we are not WoW and we do not use game guidelines to tag our characters. Please, understand that difference.

I don't need to read anything. I know what TWYS means.

Uhhh, ok.
So as of now I know for sure that in order to be tagged as loli on this site they have to be female, appear to be preadolescent, and they can be human/cub/anhro/humanoid. I'm assuming that means this tag could also apply to images with the toddler and baby tags. It also seems like general consensus is that ferals shouldn't be tagged as loli under any circumstance, even if the feral "appears to be preadolescent". Same for the shota tag, except male instead of female.

Correct?

Andkar said:
Uhhh, ok.
So as of now I know for sure that in order to be tagged as loli on this site they have to be female, appear to be preadolescent, and they can be human/cub/anhro/humanoid. I'm assuming that means this tag could also apply to images with the toddler and baby tags. It also seems like general consensus is that ferals shouldn't be tagged as loli under any circumstance, even if the feral "appears to be preadolescent". Same for the shota tag, except male instead of female.

Correct?

yes, though to apply the loli/shota tags the posts in question need to have some sort of sexualized circumstance. safe posts shouldn't be tagged with shota or loli

AoBird said:
it's a humanoid (pandaren), not anthro (panda).

Pandaren characters are generally depicted as anthro not humanoid.

AoBird said:
If we consider that humans are humanoid monkeys, pandaren are then humanoid pandas.

Humans are not humanoid monkeys. Those are two different species. And pandaren are not humanoid pandas.

AoBird said:
they look the same, but the lore behind the looks is different.

I already said the look the same, the difference being pandaren are intelligent humanoid species where anthro pandas are when you take a panda and make it humanoid.

If they look the same then tag them the same.

Exceptions: You may use outside information to add a species tag if it's a fictional species. And for Pokemon you may use outside information to replace the species it resembles with the species of Pokemon. Neither of these affects the tagging of body type.

AoBird said:
I know what TWYS means.

Clearly you do not.

AoBird said:
They evolved from animals and it's their base form now.

for pandaren, you draw as is, for panda you make changes (even if pandaren stems from panda).

That is completely irrelevant. Whether a character is changed from the typical form of its species is not the determining factor in how it gets tagged. It's based on how it looks. For example a Pokemon (like Gardevoir) can be utterly unchanged from its canonical form but that's not feral it's humanoid. I am honestly baffled that you did not know this. See forum #276205 or forum #252302 or forum #201526. Or this negative record (given to the same user who mistagged the panda in post #818775 as humanoid instead of anthro).

Versperus said:
yes, though to apply the loli/shota tags the posts in question need to have some sort of sexualized circumstance. safe posts shouldn't be tagged with shota or loli

Right, that clears it all up for me then. Thanks everyone!

Andkar said:

Versperus said:
yes, though to apply the loli/shota tags the posts in question need to have some sort of sexualized circumstance. safe posts shouldn't be tagged with shota or loli

Right, that clears it all up for me then. Thanks everyone!

glad things are cleared up, even if the forum got taken off topic