Topic: double pair bracket tag format: _(OWNER)_(NOUN) or _(NOUN)_(OWNER)??

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

Wondering if tag style (for tags with double-pair brackets) should be
*(OWNER)_(NOUN)
or
*(NOUN)_(OWNER) ?

existing *(OWNER)_(NOUN) tags:
1) 1 . . . adonis_(disgaea)_(character) . . . character.
2) 1 . . . bb_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
3) 1 . . . beth_(ikugo)_(character) . . . character.
4) 2 . . . blue_(capri-sans)_(character) . . . character.
5) 2 . . . buck_(disney)_(disambiguation) . . . character. wiki: buck_(disney)_(disambiguation)
6) 1 . . . byleth_(fire_emblem)_(male) . . . character.
7) 2 . . . carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse) . . . character. wiki: carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse)
8) 11 . . . corin_(luvbites)_(character) . . . character.
9) 1 . . . corrin_(fire_emblem)_(male) . . . character.
10) 2 . . . cu_chulainn_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
11) 2 . . . elizabeth_bathory_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
12) 6 . . . escort_(luvbites)_(character) . . . character.
13) 1 . . . faux_(uriko44)_(character) . . . character. (in this case, having _(character) at end may not be necessary)
14) 1 . . . harold_winston_(overwatch)_(character) . . . character.
15) 2 . . . jeanne_d'arc_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
16) 1 . . . marcus_(luvbites)_(character) . . . character.
17) 1 . . . mea_(ultrakirby123)_(character) . . . character.
18) 2 . . . medb_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
19) 1 . . . mordred_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
20) 1 . . . natalie_(housespets!)_(character) . . . character
21) 2 . . . nero_claudius_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
22) 2 . . . oda_nobunaga_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
23) 2 . . . okita_souji_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
24) 1 . . . robin_(fire_emblem)_(male) . . . character.
25) 1 . . . sans_(haventale)_(character) . . . character
26) 1 . . . sans_(reapertale)_(character) . . . character
27) 2 . . . scathach_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
28) 1 . . . sweetpea_(mickeymonster)_(fan_experiment) . . . character
29) 4 . . . tamamo_(fate)_(all) . . . character.
30) 1 . . . titan_(sonic_unleashed)_(character) . . . character
31) 1 . . . tony_(earthbound)_(character) . . . character

existing *(NOUN)_(OWNER) tags:
1) 1 . . . anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) . . . character.
2) 2 . . . artoria_pendragon_(swimsuit_ruler)_(fate) . . . character.
3) 1 . . . atalanta_(alter)_(fate) . . . character.
4) 1 . . . gilgamesh_(caster)_(fate) . . . character.
5) 1 . . . justin_(mouse)(aaron) . . . character.
6) 5 . . . mark_(bear)_(aaron) . . . character.
7) 10 . . . mark_(horse)_(aaron) . . . character.
8) 1 . . . mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) . . . character.
9) 2 . . . medusa_(lancer)_(fate) . . . character.
10) 1 . . . mojo_(lombax)_(mojoskunk) . . . character
11) 5 . . . mojo_(skunk)_(mojoskunk) . . . character
12) 13 . . . mojo_(skunkbax)_(mojoskunk) . . . character
13) 1 . . . morgan_(cat)_(shikakaka) . . . character
14) 2 . . . morgan_(kashiroo)_(shikakaka) . . . character
15) 1 . . . mox_(horse)_(the_mox) . . . character
16) 1 . . . nero_claudius_(bride)_(fate) . . . character.
17) 1 . . . sparkplug_(dog)_(transformers_animated) . . . character
18) 1 . . . tamamo_no_mae_(swimsuit_lancer)_(fate) . . . character.

existing (COPYRIGHT)_(CREATOR) tags (i think)
1) 1 . . . bowhead_whale_(kemono_friends)_(yoshida_hideyuki) . . . character
2) 1 . . . tree_sparrow_(kemono_friends)_(yoshida_hideyuki) . . . character

some *(*)*(*) tags I'm ignoring for now

1) 1 . . . カエル(・)(・) . . . artist.
2) 1 . . . (666)fire-demon(999) . . . artist.
3) 1 . . . applejack_(mlp)_(g1) . . . character.
4) 1 . . . applejack_(mlp)_(g3) . . . character.
5) 1 . . . aurora_(f10)_(azur_lane) . . . character. (ignoring because i don't know what f10 is)(azur_lane is game)
6) 2 . . . courtney_(projectsnt)_(artist) . . . artist. (ignoring because not sure what projectsnt is)
7) 1 . . . diodki666_(artist)_(artist) . . . artist. (why is “(artist)” repeated?)
8) 1 . . . hero_(do-belman)_(artist) . . . artist.
9) 1 . . . jack_(slaintheva)_(artist) . . . artist.
10) 1 . . . kabble_lukan_(fuzefurry)_(char) . . . character. (ignoring because single post deleted)
11) 1 . . . kanda_(ura-kanda)_(artist) . . . artist.
12) 1 . . . kei_(bekei)_(artist) . . . artist.
13) 1 . . . majora_(dbs)_(character) . . . character. (ignoring because seems to have been replaced by majora_(dbs) tag)
14) 1 . . . rat(rigbythememe)_(character) . . . character. (ignoring because all of rigbythememe_(artist) uploads deleted, mostly for "Reason: Underaged Artist")
15) 16 . . . renka_(lotus_flame)_(ymbk) . . . character. (ignoring because i don't know what lotus_flame is)(ymbk is artist)
16) 1 . . . talin(toon)_(char) . . . character. (potentially same character who is tagged with talin tag)
17) 1 . . . toy_(mcnasty)_(character) . . . character. (single post deleted, post also tagged with toy_(mcnasty))
18) 1 . . . whizzer_(mlp)_(g1) . . . character

* * *

Below copied and adapted from searching for "*(*)*(*)*"
https://e621.net/tag?name=*%28*%29*%28*%29*&type=&order=name

raw list of *(*)*(*) tags

1) 1 カエル(・)(・) artist
2) 1 (666)fire-demon(999) artist
3) 1 adonis_(disgaea)_(character) character
4) 1 anne_bonny_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) character
5) 1 applejack_(mlp)_(g1) character
6) 1 applejack_(mlp)_(g3) character
7) 2 artoria_pendragon_(swimsuit_ruler)_(fate) character
8) 1 atalanta_(alter)_(fate) character
9) 1 aurora_(f10)_(azur_lane) character
10) 1 bb_(fate)_(all) character
11) 1 beth_(ikugo)_(character) character
12) 2 blue_(capri-sans)_(character) character
13) 1 bowhead_whale_(kemono_friends)_(yoshida_hideyuki) character
14) 2 buck_(disney)_(disambiguation) character. wiki: buck_(disney)_(disambiguation)
15) 1 byleth_(fire_emblem)_(male) character
16) 2 carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse) character. wiki: carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse)
17) 11 corin_(luvbites)_(character) character
18) 1 corrin_(fire_emblem)_(male) character
19) 2 courtney_(projectsnt)_(artist) artist
20) 2 cu_chulainn_(fate)_(all) character
21) 1 diodki666_(artist)_(artist) artist
22) 2 elizabeth_bathory_(fate)_(all) character
23) 6 escort_(luvbites)_(character) character
24) 1 faux_(uriko44)_(character) character
25) 1 gilgamesh_(caster)_(fate) character
26) 1 harold_winston_(overwatch)_(character) character
27) 1 hero_(do-belman)_(artist) artist
28) 1 jack_(slaintheva)_(artist) artist
29) 2 jeanne_d'arc_(fate)_(all) character
30) 1 justin_(mouse)(aaron) character
31) 1 kabble_lukan_(fuzefurry)_(char) character
32) 1 kanda_(ura-kanda)_(artist) artist
33) 1 kei_(bekei)_(artist) artist
34) 1 majora_(dbs)_(character) character
35) 1 marcus_(luvbites)_(character) character
36) 5 mark_(bear)_(aaron) character
37) 10 mark_(horse)_(aaron) character
38) 1 mary_read_(swimsuit_archer)_(fate) character
39) 1 mea_(ultrakirby123)_(character) character
40) 2 medb_(fate)_(all) character
41) 2 medusa_(lancer)_(fate) character
42) 1 mojo_(lombax)_(mojoskunk) character
43) 13 mojo_(skunkbax)_(mojoskunk) character
44) 5 mojo_(skunk)_(mojoskunk) character
45) 1 mordred_(fate)_(all) character
46) 1 morgan_(cat)_(shikakaka) character
47) 2 morgan_(kashiroo)_(shikakaka) character
48) 1 mox_(horse)_(the_mox) character
49) 1 natalie_(housespets!)_(character) character
50) 1 nero_claudius_(bride)_(fate) character
51) 2 nero_claudius_(fate)_(all) character
52) 2 oda_nobunaga_(fate)_(all) character
53) 2 okita_souji_(fate)_(all) character
54) 1 rat(rigbythememe)_(character) character
55) 16 renka_(lotus_flame)_(ymbk) character
56) 1 robin_(fire_emblem)_(male) character
57) 1 sans_(haventale)_(character) character
58) 1 sans_(reapertale)_(character) character
59) 2 scathach_(fate)_(all) character
60) 1 sparkplug_(dog)_(transformers_animated) character
61) 1 sweetpea_(mickeymonster)_(fan_experiment) character
62) 1 talin(toon)_(char) character
63) 4 tamamo_(fate)_(all) character
64) 1 tamamo_no_mae_(swimsuit_lancer)_(fate) character
65) 1 titan_(sonic_unleashed)_(character) character
66) 1 tony_(earthbound)_(character) character
67) 1 toy_(mcnasty)_(character) character
68) 1 tree_sparrow_(kemono_friends)_(yoshida_hideyuki) character
69) 1 whizzer_(mlp)_(g1) character

Updated by urielfrys

all of these look cancerous, and like they shouldn't exist. It's completely over complicating things, or using brackets to descriptive tag things. Of course the duplex brackets seem to be klorpa for the most part, heeeeh. Just consider them tags that should be simplified as far as I'm concerned.

Updated by anonymous

Pup

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Overall I'd say double brackets should be avoided completely. I agree with Versperus that they should be considered tags that need simplifying.

Characters should be character_name_(character_owner) and artists should be just the artist tag, only using _(artist) if there's a non-artist tag that's the same.

As an example of simplifying some of them:

applejack_(mlp)_(g1)
applejack_(mlp)_(g2)
[..]

Should probably be applejack_(mlp) with alternate_color/alternate_form as additional tags, or at worst applejack_g1_(mlp)

carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse)

should be carmen_(animal_crossing) with the alternate_species tag, presuming they're not normally a mouse.

and byleth_(fire_emblem)_(male) would just be byleth_(fire_emblem) and the male tag.

Quick edit:
Just thought I'd leave a link to the tags section, showing other alternate_* tags:
https://e621.net/tag?name=alternate_*

Updated by anonymous

Yeah most of these are unneeded bloat in my opinion.

For character names the general rule of thumb for formatting is:

For non-OCs:

(character's full name)

If the character's name is the same as a/their series' name (like Donkey Kong):

(character's name)_(character)

If their full name isn't know or it isn't unique:

(character's name)_(series)

This that still isn't unique:

(character's name)_(series)_(description)

Looking at your list, this one would be used for the Carmens from Animal Crossing since there is a rabbit Carmen and a mouse Carmen.

For OCs:

If their full name is unique:

(character's name)

If their full name isn't unique (This one should be used the vast majority of the time in my opinion):

(character's name)_(creator's/owner's name)

And if they have the same name as the owner/creator:

(character's name)_(character)

Basically,

*_(character)

formatting should only be used to disambiguate

Updated by anonymous

Pup

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crusty_fire said:
And if they have the same name as the owner/creator:

(character's name)_(character)

If an artist and character have the same name, the character would still be character_name_(character_owner), with the artist just being the artist tag.

Updated by anonymous

Pupslut said:
carmen_(animal_crossing)_(mouse) should be carmen_(animal_crossing) with the alternate_species tag, presuming they're not normally a mouse.

there's actually two completely different characters who use the name "Carmen" in the english translations,
one who was in the original Animal Forest for the n64 and then didn't make any appearances Wild World onward)
and another character introduced in City Folk and has made an appearance in every game since then.

Updated by anonymous

The character-name_(species)_(owner) tags are for when an owner has 2(or more) characters with same name, but different species.

forum #265849 : thread "What format for character tags when same owner has 2 (or more) characters with same name?"

Updated by anonymous

darryus said:
there's actually two completely different characters who use the name "Carmen" in the english translations,
one who was in the original Animal Forest for the n64 and then didn't make any appearances Wild World onward)
and another character introduced in City Folk and has made an appearance in every game since then.

How does this game universe work, if people were to discuss on both Carmens in the same dialogue? Like the Smurfs universe that no-one is even trying to distinguish who is who? (The smurf smurffed the smurf, causing the smurf to smurf the whole smurf!) Or do they specify like: "Carmen The Mouse visited Carmen The Rabbit yesterday."

In the latter case, I'd be voting that there'd be tags Carmen_The_Rabbit_(Animal_Crossing) and Carmen_The_Mouse_(Animal_Crossing)

I think these bracket extensions are there only to disambiguate things with equal names. That is to say, no-one should search for Animal Crossing characters with the thought of assuming all characters have "_(Animal_Crossing)" in their character tag. Rather the search should be done with the copyright tag animal_crossing.

Thereby, there shouldn't be need for particular systematics (except for the sake of aesthetics), and it would be a standard that there is only one bracket specification at the end. In case of the AC Carmens, these could be Carmen_(Animal_Crossing_Mouse) and Carmen_(Animal_Crossing_Rabbit), or if the mouse is more significant character in the game, it could be just Carmen_(Animal_Crossing), as it is the rabbit that needs more often to be marked, when being discussed.

"Bob was doing this, and that. Then, as Bob was continuing doing this, in particular, all of a sudden, Bob From Next Door burst in. Bob was a bit puzzled of this, but then Bob From Next Door said he had taken the wrong door and left, and Bob was able to continue doing this and that." – This is more efficient than always talking about Bob From Our Office as well.

Updated by anonymous

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