I would like to suggest the creation of a tag for something being done to a man's asshole.

For a lot of people, this is 'gay' regardless of who is doing it, and it makes a lot of guys (maybe some girls) uncomfortable. They don't want to see it, it's specific, and it could do with a tag for blacklisting.

Alternatively, as there is so much of it, there are a lot of people who DO want to see it, so searching for it specifically should be an option. There are currently no combination of tags that will filter out a female messing with a male's butthole without filtering out all butthole messing of all kind.

pegging is a start, but it only refers to a very specific action and would not even catch some imminent pegging.

Because this is something that, again, a lot of people really, really do not want to see, I would like to create the tag male_anal_play. I've gone ahead and made a wiki page for it, but I'm not going to add it to any images until I get feedback from the community.

Having specifically gendered tags isn't really a good thing, cause it can be fixed easily with seperate tags. This is why specific gendered tags like "solo male" are aliased to male

To deal with this, people could add blacklist lines like male solo anal, which would blacklist any solo male images involving anything anal.

If someone wants to blacklist men penetrated by non-men, they could simply add male/'insert not male here' -male_penetrating to their blacklist, which would make sure that, when looking for this content, they will see content where men are the penetrators.

So, all in all... it's a no from me. -1

Just blacklist male anal -female, problem solved.

I know gendered tags are a problem in general, as they are useless since you can just search/blacklist the gender you want with the term you want.

This is different, though. Culturally, we have a double-standard as to when it's okay to be on the receiving end of butt stuff. Most cultures have some degree of tolerance for doing it to women, but many also see it as unnatural to be done to a man & see it as him being made 'the girl' and it makes people uncomfortable. While this is their personal hangup, it's common and it's as relevant as any other behavior or fetish a person does not want to see.

I don't seek to come out and say people who like this or do this are wrong; tags are not for judgement. I'm just saying it bothers a lot of people, and also excites a lot of people, and it's specific enough to warrant blacklisting or searching for.

The anal tag, when used properly, covers anything being done to stimulate the anus, which is a good start. It doesn't have anything it can be paired with, though, to determine who is giving and who is getting in a female/male encounter.

The suggestions above do not work because this goes beyond penetration, just as the 'anal' tag does. I swear I made a wiki page for this with examples, but it's gone without a trace now - I think I hit 'preview' and never hit 'save'. Anyway, I had an example where a female was straddling a mail, with her finger up his ass to massage his prostate. I had another where a male was tied down with his legs spread and a female stood over him wearing a big black horse dildo strap-on and it was clear from the context she was about to peg him.

The first image falls under my area of concern, but would not be stopped by any of the filtered searches suggested above. It could be stopped by -prostate_massage, but not every picture of a guy with a finger up his ass is going to be tagged as that. It could be stopped with -female_penetrating, but that would cut out a much wider swath of results, anything where a female is fingering or dildoing another female. If, for example, we have an image where a man is watching while one girl uses a strap-on on another, blacklisting male -female_penetration would hide that image, even though said image would not be a problem for the issue I am speaking of.

For the second example, nothing works because nothing is actually happening yet - but it still falls into the area of discomfort I am talking about. I am sure there is a convoluted arrangement of tags that would filter out that specifically, but again, I still think this is a unique enough thing to warrant being tagged.

None of the suggestions posted above would stop an image of a guy getting his anus licked by a female, or a guy with a butt plug in while a female watches, or even a guy getting pegged. Speaking of, the pegging tag is a great example of a legitimate gender-based tag, just like I propose this to be.

So here are some example ideas and you all can tell me what simple combination of tags would block all the DO NOT WANT TO SEE options without blocking any of the DO WANT TO SEE options:

DO WANT TO SEE: Guy putting his finger up a girl's ass.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Girl putting her finger up a guy's ass.

DO WANT TO SEE: Male rimming a female.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Female rimming a male.

DO WANT TO SEE: Male watching a female finger another female.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Male getting fingered by a female.

DO WANT TO SEE: Orgy involving both genders where some of the females are using strap-ons on other females.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Group sex where a strap-on is being used on a male.

DO WANT TO SEE: Female getting her anus pinched or teased.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Male getting his anus pinched or teased.

DO WANT TO SEE: Girls with strap-ons.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Girls with strap-ons hovering over a vulnerable make with clear intent to use it on him, or, an image in which there is only a male and a female and the female has a strap-on - we all know where that's headed.

At least one of these pairings cannot be filtered at all, and the rest could be filtered but each pairing would need its own string of tags. Use of the 'male_anal_play' tag would clear all the unwanted options while not blocking any of the wanted options.

If anyone has a better way, I'm up to hear it. but I can't think of anything and none of the suggestions work so far.

@Sparkmane

DO WANT TO SEE: Guy putting his finger up a girl's ass.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Girl putting her finger up a guy's ass.

m/f anal_fingering -female_penetrating

DO WANT TO SEE: Male rimming a female.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Female rimming a male.

not sure about this one

DO WANT TO SEE: Male watching a female finger another female.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Male getting fingered by a female.

voyeur fingering male f/f -m/f or being_watched fingering male f/f -m/f

DO WANT TO SEE: Orgy involving both genders where some of the females are using strap-ons on other females.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Group sex where a strap-on is being used on a male.

orgy strapon f/f -pegging

DO WANT TO SEE: Female getting her anus pinched or teased.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Male getting his anus pinched or teased.

i dont think that we have tags for pinching someone's anus wtf. for teasing,
m/f anal teasing -female_penetrating

DO WANT TO SEE: Girls with strap-ons.
DO NOT WANT TO SEE: Girls with strap-ons hovering over a vulnerable make with clear intent to use it on him, or, an image in which there is only a male and a female and the female has a strap-on - we all know where that's headed.

female strapon solo or female strapon -male or female strapon f/f depending on what you want to see

The point is that I want a tag that covers ALL these, with one fell swoop. Leave that guy's b-hole alone, we say!

"Go get that guy's b-hole!", demand others!

For the anal teasing one, there's no inherent penetration so blocking out female_penetrating will not work. Also, adding in m/f will block out lesbian stuff.

Sparkmane said:
The point is that I want a tag that covers ALL these, with one fell swoop. Leave that guy's b-hole alone, we say!

"Go get that guy's b-hole!", demand others!

For the anal teasing one, there's no inherent penetration so blocking out female_penetrating will not work. Also, adding in m/f will block out lesbian stuff.

well i think that ur out of luck if you want tag for images where male's anus is being interacted with that also covers cases where its implied that male character might get fucked in ass in near future

Sparkmane said:
The point is that I want a tag that covers ALL these, with one fell swoop.

That's, uh. Quite a request. I don't think the tagging system can do that.

Sparkmane said:
Also, adding in m/f will block out lesbian stuff.

And that makes no sense. I thought you wanted male anus art, where do lesbian images fit in with that?

Blacklisting imminent_pegging should be helpful in avoiding some of those.

There's also imminent_anal which might be of some use, but it's rarely tagged. And imminent_vaginal is barely tagged.

Those could be useful for search combos if they were tagged more.

MissChu said:
That's, uh. Quite a request. I don't think the tagging system can do that.

And that makes no sense. I thought you wanted male anus art, where do lesbian images fit in with that?

i do not want male anus art, I am trying to find a way to block the whole shebang

Sparkmane said:
i do not want male anus art, I am trying to find a way to block the whole shebang

And you've been told the things to blacklist. We're not going to make a gender specific tag just because somebody doesn't want to use few extra lines on their blacklist.

Sparkmane said:
i do not want male anus art, I am trying to find a way to block the whole shebang

https://e621.net/post/index/1/anal%20-penis%20-male if you wanted nothing male/dickgirl/herm.
https://e621.net/post/index/1/anal%20-penis%20-male%20-tentacles if you also want no tentacles. Problem solved.

Sparkmane said:
i do not want male anus art, I am trying to find a way to block the whole shebang

i highly doubt that we start to maintain gendered anus tags just to cater you

Eggplant said:
i highly doubt that we start to maintain gendered anus tags just to cater you

it's not 'just for me', it's for a large number of males and i am sure some females who don't want to see it.

Let me try this one more time:

I want this post #1225949 and this post #1545755 and this post #353703 but I do not want this post #1529732

I want this post #1577068 and this post #1540854 and this post #1574788 but not this post #1576042

I want this post #1549096 and this post #1466318 and this post #1523919 but not this post #1510419

None of those 'don't wants' share a common tag with each other that they do no not share with the 'wants'.

What they all do have in common is that something is being done to a male's anus. If you are a straight male, then odds are that this is not only something you don't want to see, but something that will really ruin the picture for you. If you're a straight female, there's still a good chance it bugs you.

If you're a gay male or a straight lady then there's a decent chance you really DO want to see all this stuff, and if you're a bisexual who's into it then you don't want to miss out on pics based on absent or attending genders.

These 'don't wants' all have something very specific in common - something being done to some guy's butthole. That's specific and unusual* enough to warrant a tag.

I, for example, am not into anthro birds. I don't want to see an image focusing on a female anthro bird, but it doesn't bother me that much. I can just click something else. Male anthro birds in the background bother me even less. Therefore, I do not blacklist birds, because I do not want to miss out on the good art of more species-inclusive artists, but if I really, really didn't like it, it would be easy enough for me to filter out.

I am 100% not into dick-girls. Seeing them detracts considerably from my experience. There is no picture that I want to see that contains a woman with a penis. Fortunately, I can clear my results of them with, I think, just two tags in my blacklist. Problem solved!

I don't want to see a male sucking a dick, but that's gay, and I can blacklist gay. No problem! I don't want to see a guy sucking a dildo, and I can't blacklist that without killing a lot of other images, but it doesn't bother me so much and I can just click something else. No real problem.

I also 100% do not want to see this. If you do, more power to you. I do, however, want to see all these things being done to the ladies. I have no way to blacklist them happening to males without straight-up blacklisting 'anal' and then I'd miss a lot of images I do want to see.

As such, a 'male_anal_play' tag to cover it all is one of those rare, appropriate, gender-based tags, like pegging is.

*It's hard to use certain terms when you're an open-minded person in a sexually-open community like this. I generally have no problem with what people desire among consenting adults and I don't judge people for such. I don't like man-on-man ass pounding; I also don't like roller coasters or onions. I don't think anything less of people who like man-on-man ass pounding or roller coasters, I just prefer to be left out of it.
Using a word like 'normal' is dangerous thing for me. It comes off as judgemental or ignorant. When I say man-butt-stuff is 'unusual', I just mean from a 'natural order' sort of standpoint. Biologically, men are the aggressors. Men do not get penetrated. It's not the way my mating instincts are wired and it's not the way most people's mating instincts are wired. Some people are wired that way, and some people aren't but can get over it and I am sure they are getting some interesting experiences that men who can't get over it are missing out on. That said, I am comfortable saying that most men don't want to see this. It is a good thing to be able to blacklist.

The problem is, it is not inherently:
gay
penetration
female penetration
-male
rimming
pegging
female_domination
solo
butt_plug
couple
straight

or even currently happening in the picture. A girl chasing a guy around while wearing a strapon still falls into the same situation - although I'd be willing to leave this out of the tag since it would be a little confusing and it's not as big of a deal.

So what is it? It's playing with, or stimulating, a male's anus. 'male_anal_play' or 'male_anal_stimulation' would apply to each one of the 'don't want' pictures I gave examples of and have zero effect on the 'do want' pictures I gave examples of.

There are a few kinds of tags that are generally pointless. Gendered tags are one of them. 'Lack of' tags like no_nipples and no_pants are another, because they would theoretically apply to every image on the site that doesn't have the subject. 'no_bra', however, is a 'lack of' tag that has merit because you don't normally tag if a person IS wearing a bra and a lot of times it's obvious that a female is not & people want to see it. It would, of course, have to be used with a grain of common sense and would be better off listed as 'braless' - but it's still an exception among tags that generally do not have any merit. This, too, is an exception among the otherwise-trivial gendered tags.

Furrin Gok said:
And you've been told the things to blacklist.

I most certainly have not been given anything to blacklist that would help me here. Please try to comprehend what I am after here. blacklisting male anal -female does not stop me from getting a picture of a girl with her tongue up some guy's ass. Blacklisting rimming blocks me from seeing a guy with his tongue up some girl's ass. Adding m/f is not going to help because the tags everyone is suggesting all apply to the aggressor, not the recipient, and the recipient is the problem here.
I guess the reason this rare case needs a gendered tag is that anuses are not gendered. Everyone has one. If you don't want to see guys giving blowjobs, you can blacklist 'gay' and go on your way because a guy performing a blowjob needs a penis to perform it on. You won't lose images of girls giving blowjobs. If you don't want to see girls eating each other out you can blacklist 'lesbian' without blacklisting 'cunnilingus' and still see guys going down on girls. As there is nothing inherent to the gender of an anus or the sexuality of whomever is working on said anus, you can't block yourself from seeing things done to it by a specific gender. This is why gendering the anus itself is relevant.

male_anal_play - searching for it lets you see whoemever going at men's buttholes and not women's. blocking it lets you see women getting it without seeing men. One tag caters heavily to four different groups. It's one tag pulling a lot of weight and accomplishing something that any number of strung-together tags are not.

I guess I can boil it down to some simple requirements for any new tag.
1. Is it relevant? Are people going to use it?
2. Can it be accomplished with three or less existing tags used together?

If answer 1 is yes and answer 2 is no, you've got a valid thing to tag.

It's relevant to me and anyone else who finds a man's butt being violated cringeworthy. It's relevant to the opposite side who want to see exactly that.

Answer 2 is a clear No. There is no group of tags that can block all the images without lots of collateral blacklisting. On the other side, actively looking for every such image would require anal (for straight-up bum lovin') anal_fingering (for those in the digital age anal_teasing (for non-penetrative non-oral stuff) rimming (for licking]] butt_plug (for self-sustaining anal devices), plus more stuff I can't think of and/or probably do not want to know about - and these five tags STILL have no way to differentiate what gender is on the receiving end if you don't care who is on the giving end.

Tagging this is relevant.

As has been mentioned, female_penetrating is the tag you're not wanting in conjunction with male.

The rimming bit isn't currently covered but that could be done through something like gender_licking or _tonguing, or something similar.

The big problem here is that the proposed thing to be tagged is extremely narrow and only pertaining to one gender. If we want to be fair to others we'd also need a tag like that for the other genders, because it's pretty far fetched that only straight males have an aversion to buttstuff done to males, and not for example straight woman having the same aversion towards buttstuff done to woman.
Which means the big PITA is that this would need at least 3-4 different gender variations, and even then it's only just for butts.

On the other hand, what about making gendered *_perpetrator and *_receiver tags? Those tags could easily be combined on the blacklist with any activity and would most likely catch 99% of whatever people would like to not see being done to that particular gender (or being done by that particular gender), as such those tags would be incredibly useful for a variety of purposes. The only downside would be that someone needs to actually tag those.

NotMeNotYou said:
The big problem here is that the proposed thing to be tagged is extremely narrow and only pertaining to one gender. If we want to be fair to others we'd also need a tag like that for the other genders, because it's pretty far fetched that only straight males have an aversion to buttstuff done to males, and not for example straight woman having the same aversion towards buttstuff done to woman.
Which means the big PITA is that this would need at least 3-4 different gender variations, and even then it's only just for butts.

On the other hand, what about making gendered *_perpetrator and *_receiver tags? Those tags could easily be combined on the blacklist with any activity and would most likely catch 99% of whatever people would like to not see being done to that particular gender (or being done by that particular gender), as such those tags would be incredibly useful for a variety of purposes. The only downside would be that someone needs to actually tag those.

I was thinking something like that would have been a little too broad, but if I was wrong then I definitely support *_perpetrator and *_reciever tags. Then, fingering, tonguing, and *_penetrating tags could imply the perpetrator ones.

@Sparkmane

i get it, you dont want to look at men's assholes being touched, no need to explain it to me millionth time. also, you can use multiple tags in one entry. while there is currently no way yo get rid of all of it, you can get majority of it away simply by blacklisting
m/f anal female_penetrating
im not going to repeat what nimmy said so read the comment for why we cant have single tag for men's assholes being touched

NotMeNotYou said:
On the other hand, what about making gendered *_perpetrator and *_receiver tags?

I thought of that after leaving to take the dog to the park. Since we have 'male_penetrating' and 'female_penetrating' it made sense to go to 'male_receiving' and 'female_receiving'.

I'd be happy to make the wiki entries and get to work on some tagging if someone will help me get a comprehensive list of genders going.

male
female
herm
intersex
genderless
attack_helicopter

what do i need to add?

I'll go with *_giving and *_receiving unless there's a complaint to that.

I'll get started on male_receiving and male_giving and I'll check back for any further input

Alright so I did my best to remember my pronouns from the MUD days.

male_receiving male giving
he, him, his, himself

female_receiving female giving
she, her, hers, herself

herm_receiving herm_giving
shi, hir, hirs, hirself

intersex_receiving intersex_giving
they, them, theirs, themself

genderless_receiving genderless_giving
it, its, itself

attack_helicopter_receiving attack_helicopter_giving
pew pew pew, brrrt, whuppawhuppawhuppawhuppa
I didn't really make that one, don't report me

I was going to go on to 'feral' and 'anthro' and 'humanoid', but those aren't really genders and i believe they have their own tags already. If someone wants me to make them, or anything else they feel I've missed, let me know.

Sparkmane said:
genderless_receiving genderless_giving
it, its, itself

It'd be better to go with ambiguous_receiving/giving to fit alongside tags like ambiguous_penetrating, overweight_ambiguous, etc

What if we know it's a male who has been turned into another gender?
Tag what you see.

Contrary to this cute little “tag what you see” comment at the end of your wiki pages which I have removed, dickgirl is not tagged male and cuntboy is not tagged female. They’re tagged dickgirl and cuntboy, respectively. So that means we also need cuntboy and dickgirl_receiving tags too.

Refer to howto:tag_gender

Sparkmane
attack_helicopter

We get it, you think you’re edgy.

BlackLicorice said:
Contrary to this cute little “tag what you see” comment at the end of your wiki pages which I have removed, dickgirl is not tagged male and cuntboy is not tagged female. They’re tagged dickgirl and cuntboy, respectively. So that means we also need cuntboy and dickgirl_receiving tags too.

Why are you removing things? You know that a male that's been transformed into a female and a cuntboy are two different things, right?

I'll add them, but don't go vandalizing my wiki pages over something that makes no sense.

What's the proper pronoun for cuntboy and dickgirl respectively?

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
It'd be better to go with ambiguous_receiving/giving to fit alongside tags like ambiguous_penetrating, overweight_ambiguous, etc

I don't think 'genderless' and 'ambiguous_gender' are the same thing. Genderless is a set lack of gender and ambiguous is you just can't tell from the current image.

Like, a robot could be genderless, whereas an average-height person with a bad haircut and a thick sweater could be ambiguous.

I'm keeping 'genderless' - do you want me to add 'ambiguous'? I'd think by the time we're getting to these tags the gender should be obvious but I guess the aggressor could be keeping their sweater on.

Sparkmane said:
I don't think 'genderless' and 'ambiguous_gender' are the same thing. Genderless is a set lack of gender and ambiguous is you just can't tell from the current image.

Like, a robot could be genderless, whereas an average-height person with a bad haircut and a thick sweater could be ambiguous.

I'm keeping 'genderless' - do you want me to add 'ambiguous'? I'd think by the time we're getting to these tags the gender should be obvious but I guess the aggressor could be keeping their sweater on.

On this site, the robot is considered ambiguous, so yeah... here, with the current rules set in place, lacking gender and being ambiguous in gender are one in the same. It would be tedious and make no sense to have both genderless_*and ambiguous_* tags rather than having the single tag that applies to both.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
On this site, the robot is considered ambiguous, so yeah... here, with the current rules set in place, lacking gender and being ambiguous in gender are one in the same. It would be tedious and make no sense to have both genderless_*and ambiguous_* tags rather than having the single tag that applies to both.

I don't even see 'genderless' on the gender thingo but I'll take your word for it.

I still feel like 'genderless' is its own thing, but this butthole battle is the the last fight I have in me so I do not intend to push it.

The caveat of giving and receiving with "passive" and "active" organs makes absolutely zero sense and just complicates the tag into near uselessness for BDSM scenarios.

The active participant, the giver, is the person actually doing a thing. If a female fucks herself on a stationary (but living) penis she's not magically passive just because she has a vagina. In this scenario the vagina is doing all the work and deserves to be tagged as such.

female_receiving
What about tribadism?
If you really feel like one character is dominant over the other, you can use this, but you could really just leave it at tribadism.

There's both a female_receiving and a female_giving in this scenario, which female is which is irrelevant if both need to be tagged anyway. Same would go for frotting.

As for cuntboy and dickgirl, just use he/she. If someone takes offense they can fix it later.

There are probably some other things but I'll need to have another look once it's not 01:32AM.

NotMeNotYou said:
The caveat of giving and receiving with "passive" and "active" organs makes absolutely zero sense and just complicates the tag into near uselessness for BDSM scenarios.

This whole adventure started with he goal of being able to filter out guys getting their buttholes licked by girls without filtering out girls getting their buttholes licked by guys.

My wording could probably use work, but if we start getting into intent and dominance over the physical mechanics of the act, this whole exercise loses purpose.

I could change 'receiving' to 'taking', that might work better.

Originally I had it written as an 'in' part and an 'out' part but that sounded weird.

Anyway, these are supposed to represent a more literal, mechanical description than a social interaction deal.

Sparkmane said:
This whole adventure started with he goal of being able to filter out guys getting their buttholes licked by girls without filtering out girls getting their buttholes licked by guys.

My wording could probably use work, but if we start getting into intent and dominance over the physical mechanics of the act, this whole exercise loses purpose.

I could change 'receiving' to 'taking', that might work better.

Originally I had it written as an 'in' part and an 'out' part but that sounded weird.

Anyway, these are supposed to represent a more literal, mechanical description than a social interaction deal.

It's trivial to see who is doing a thing and who is receiving a thing. The best example would probably be something like post #733118

With my option the active person is the female, which makes sense because a) she has all the leverage and b) is currently able to move in a meaningful way.
With your option the male would be giving. Which mechanically makes no sense because the only thing he's doing is being there and passively providing a penis.

This would not affect anything you'd like from the tags negatively, but makes it more consistent in itself. Your example of "male_receiving rimming" would still stay the same but with my option "male_receiving vaginal_insertion" would be able to return meaningful results. You'd also get searches where either the female is the active participant (female_giving vaginal_insertion) or the male as the active participant (male_giving vaginal_insertion).

I guess my gripe with the formulation on the wiki page is that it's fine for extreme close-ups to assume that the penis is active and the orifice being inserted into is passive. But when both characters are properly visible we have many more clues that allow us to judge who is active and who isn't, and just because someone has a penis doesn't make them the active one.

This has been discussed several times over the years, and I still think that it would've been best to just create the *_penetrated tag group. Someone doesn't want to see males receiving anal? Could've just blacklisted male_penetrated anal.

This new tag duo overlaps with the *_penetrating tags, and it's not always clear who's 'receiving'. Whereas the usage of 'penetrated' would've been obvious.

Genjar said:
This has been discussed several times over the years, and I still think that it would've been best to just create the *_penetrated tag group. Someone doesn't want to see males receiving anal? Could've just blacklisted male_penetrated anal.

This new tag duo overlaps with the *_penetrating tags, and it's not always clear who's 'receiving'. Whereas the usage of 'penetrated' would've been obvious.

Penetrated doesn't include rimming though, does it? Sure, I'd like it as a tag, but the broader one should still exist too.

Sparkmane said:
You know that a male that's been transformed into a female and a cuntboy are two different things, right?

I thought, given that you seem to think attack helicopter jokes are still funny, it was intended as a transphobic thing. In other words I actually got triggered lmao, I apologise for the misunderstanding!