I don't know where exactly to post this, but two of my pictures are incorrectly tagged as female when they're meant to be girly variants of the characters in question.

This one
https://e621.net/post/show/1691705/anthro-anus-blush-butt-canine-duo-female-fox-hedge

And this one
https://e621.net/post/show/1672613/5_fingers-absurd_res-anthro-big_butt-biped-breasts

I tagged them as girly, trap [disambiguation], as well as the proper tags for the characters and they were then changed to female by a user on here. I corrected the tags and removed the incorrect ones and a few hours later, the incorrect tags were back and my corrections were removed.

I'm not sure why that is exactly, but I'd appreciate some help on the matter.

OasisSonik said:
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On this website, we abide by a "Tag What You See" policy, heavily relying on how an image looks in the current visual context. If you had no idea beforehand, you would probably assume incredibly feminine characters with no conflicting masculine characteristics would be female. Therefore, regardless of what they were intended to be by the artist, they are tagged as such. Outside lore, context, artist intent, etc. don't matter in regards to gender tagging

OasisSonik said:
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I've already filed a report for a gender decision (ticket #44920 ticket #44919), the admins will decide which of us is correct in the eyes of TWYS when they get around to dealing with the report (usually within a few hours of filing).

In the future there's a "Report" button in the options on the left (near the favorite button). You can file a tag abuse report when there is any other tagging disagreements like this.

The characters shown aren't species (like Pokemon & Digimon).

OasisSonik said:
meant to be girly variants
I'm not sure why that is exactly

Yeah one of the problems here is when "girly" means just drawing the characters with proportions that are closer to female than male. When the admins give this too much leeway it even results in female characters getting tagged as male. There's a bit of a tug-of-war going on there, considering there are large groups of people who don't notice the other side due to excluding one or the other from their browsing.

post #1672613
Much like how drawing a penis is the only guaranteed way to get some body types tagged as male, drawing what looks like a breast is the only guaranteed way to get some body types tagged as female.

Cane751 said:
The characters shown aren't species (like Pokemon & Digimon).

My understanding is that's not important.

The tagging system here is TWYSNWYK, and is enforced to be as objective as humanly possible. Species and character can suggest a canonical gender for the purposes of the crossgender tag. However, I believe there are also cases, such as Pokemon, where crossgender is not applicable to characters that existed before the series introduced sexual dimorphism. Pikachu, for instance. But that's complex because of inertia and legacy.

post #1691705 and post #1672613 seem much more straightforward. The latter is, frankly, so deep into the spectrum of female that labeling it anything else would have to be a mistake under any objective standard. And for the former, there are substantial bodies of work available for crossgendered Sonic the Hedgehog and Miles Prower, going back probably longer than the artist has been alive. Crossgender Miles was so prolific that s/he was literally known (and tagged here) as "Tailsko".

ikdind said:
My understanding is that's not important.

The tagging system here is TWYSNWYK, and is enforced to be as objective as humanly possible. Species and character can suggest a canonical gender for the purposes of the crossgender tag. However, I believe there are also cases, such as Pokemon, where crossgender is not applicable to characters that existed before the series introduced sexual dimorphism.

IMO crossgender should be called out on the tag_what_you_see page as an exception, and maybe also incest which I understand recently changed from TWYS to TWYK. It would clarify a bit further what is and isn't acceptable.

Maybe the wiki pages for these tags should also indicate their TWYK status, but the TWYS page is the only one that requires admin/mod privileges to edit.

savageorange said:
IMO crossgender should be called out on the tag_what_you_see page as an exception, and maybe also incest which I understand recently changed from TWYS to TWYK. It would clarify a bit further what is and isn't acceptable.

Maybe the wiki pages for these tags should also indicate their TWYK status, but the TWYS page is the only one that requires admin/mod privileges to edit.

Well, I don't think you're wrong that there should probably be some resource to provide guidance on any semi-official TWYK exceptions. I don't think it would do much to quell debate, at least where the gender tags are concerned, but it would at least be something users can point each other to as a "first read (docs re: TWYS), then read (docs re: TWYK).

Yeah, I feel like TWYS should mention the rare handful of tags that are the exception to the rule, such as crossgender and the like. That way, there's less confusion all around, especially with newer taggers.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
regardless of what they were intended to be by the artist, they are tagged as such. Outside lore, context, artist intent, etc. don't matter in regards to gender tagging

The thing is, I'm the original artist of the work I upload and tag. I don't know if that matters in this context.

OasisSonik said:
The thing is, I'm the original artist of the work I upload and tag. I don't know if that matters in this context.

It doesn't matter. All posts are tagged to the extent of the Tag What You See rule, which ignores the intent of the artist or exclamations provided in the source. However, this does not prevent you from exclaiming otherwise in the description, it is instead suggested to make such proclamations in the description field instead of editing tags.

OasisSonik said:
The thing is, I'm the original artist of the work I upload and tag. I don't know if that matters in this context.

E6 doesnt and never will care. The rule is as intractable as it is frustrating.

OasisSonik said:
The thing is, I'm the original artist of the work I upload and tag. I don't know if that matters in this context.

It does not. Artist comments are still external information from visual information of the image.

This isn't furaffinity or deviantart where tags can be joke or completely omitted because everything is contained on your own gallery instead of huge public one, tagging is core feature of this website, almost as important as the content itself and thus it is enforced exactly the same for every single post here and tagging abuse has gotten artists permabanned here in past. Many posts will never have ability to be verified from artist, so no post will.

Description field is completely free to be used for artist notes and such, you can even advertise your patreon there if you want to, so if you want to nofify about something like character being trap, use description. I commonly copy artists descriptions as they do usually have additional information related to the artwork in question.

Demesejha said:
E6 doesnt and never will care. The rule is as intractable as it is frustrating.

It might be frustrating to some but it's MUCH better than the systems on other websites. Good luck finding exactly what you want on Furaffinity. On Deviantart. On any other art-hosting website. Subjective tagging is and always will be a terrible idea.