aka 'Why are there so many sex position tags?' and 'Where can I learn more about e621 sex position tags?'

[WIP]

Updated: Nov. 2016

No organized, dedicated topic for these (TMK), so here we are

• I'll gradually look through the forums and add the rest
• As usual, please point out any errors or new info to be added, thanks

Purpose:

All the various, miscellaneous sex position tag discussions in one place for your discussion convenience!

If you have a (constructive) opinion about the various sex position tags, feel free to pick a topic below and jump in, or add something new

• Applies to both tag and wiki article discussions

Notes (read this first!!)

Key

Forum Summary (Nov. 2016)

[reserved2]

[reserved3]

List of Specific tags mentioned so far (Nov. 2016)

Links to other discussions [WIP]'

forum #216765 - Name for this position? (dec. 2016)
forum #193855 - Tag Alias: spitroast_position -> spitroast (may 2016)

forum #165755 - Tag Alias: pussy_sandwich → tribadism_on_penis (Jul. 2015)
forum #156628 - Tribadism, Frottage, Tail_Sex and Penetration tag issues (Apr. 2015)

Unformatted
https://e621.net/forum/show/197977
https://e621.net/forum/show/189937
https://e621.net/forum/show/180244
https://e621.net/forum/show/140829
https://e621.net/forum/show/140828

Other Useful links

• tag group:sex positions

1. Should most/all sex positions have a standardized format, with *_position appended?

• 1691 -> 1691_position
• ass_to_ass -> ass_to_ass_position
• daisy_chain -> daisy_chain_position
• doggystyle -> doggystyle_position
• mounting -> mounting_position (?)
• polesitting -> polesitting_position
• spitroast -> spitroast_position

• standing_69

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See the discussion here for more info about this

I say no, there should be a sex position type tag instead. (Along with a year type and a gender type etc.)

leomole said:
I say no, there should be a sex position type tag instead. (Along with a year type and a gender type etc.)

Year type would be useless.

It would be nice to have year distinct and in a relatively reliable location though. But I think that could be done by some Javascript that reorders the tag list.

Client-side Javascript could also emulate additional tag types for trialling purposes (hardcode arrays of 'these tags should be considered Y type, which is X color'. Reorder + recolor any 'general' type tags matching them). Makes me wonder if any of the devs have something like that.

leomole said:
I say no, there should be a sex position type tag instead. (Along with a year type and a gender type etc.)

Ooh that would be neat

Especially if nested tag type grouping ever becomes a thing

(Separate year type as well; pretty much all basic exif data fields should theoretically have a separate type,
but i'm not sure how many web-safe colors we have reserved for that PLUS e6-specific types)

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• Added forum to tag group:sex positions

If anyone knows about other sex position forum discussions, feel free to mention them in here and i'll add the links to the OP

(just a url is fine)

titanmelon said:

1. Should most/all sex positions have a standardized format, with *_position appended?

I'm unsure about daisy_chain it feels more like an action requiring more than one character than a position. But I'm being pedantic so just ignore me on this.

However what I wanted to talk about was spitroast, same thing here though, for me this is an action more than a position, i.e. you need oral_penetration + anal_penetration/vaginal_penetration. I wouldn't be against another term for a more general position tag which e.g. could depict f/m/f with cunnilingus + penis_backwards and penetration. But I'd rather not have spitroast diluted into a position (I get the feeling I've discussed this before...).

Regarding topic 3: I could see how mutual_oral could be a separate thing from 69/69_position, e.g. sitting with big_penis and a bit hunched over each other, or long_penis, or something with tail_penis, tail_pussy and whatnot.

titanmelon said:
(Separate year type as well; pretty much all basic exif data fields should theoretically have a separate type,
but i'm not sure how many web-safe colors we have reserved for that PLUS e6-specific types)

Intrinsic metadata sucks, a file can say it is a picture of a tulip created 423 years from now with an exposure of 232 seconds and using JPEG compression. Yet the image is a WebP with one pixel of black and has never been near anything that uses exposure. (if you can't tell I'm biased against intrinsic metadata).

Chessax said:
However what I wanted to talk about was spitroast, same thing here though, for me this is an action more than a position, i.e. you need oral_penetration + anal_penetration/vaginal_penetration. I wouldn't be against another term for a more general position tag which e.g. could depict f/m/f with cunnilingus + penis_backwards and penetration. But I'd rather not have spitroast diluted into a position (I get the feeling I've discussed this before...).

I concur.
Spitroast can be performed from multiple positions, therefore it doesn't quite fit under the sex positions group.

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I just noticed the eiffel_tower tag. Used for both the actual tower, and a spitroast-type position. That's going to need clean up and/or disambiguation.

Ok this is possibly a temporary change based on the above discussion regarding sex position tag-naming format :

I modified the tag group:sex positions article in the following ways:

• Separated 'official' sex positions from related concepts
• basically everything with the *_position suffix gets their own section
• List of moved tags:
• 1691

ass_to_ass
daisy_chain
doggystyle
mounting
polesitting
spitroast
tailjob
titfuck
tribadism

• added sections

Thoughts?

clean out daisy chain to daisy_chain_position. There are nonsexual daisychains, after all.

Update

Just added mating press to tag group:sex positions

also expanded the less-related tags section at the bottom

Furrin_Gok said:
clean out daisy chain to daisy_chain_position. There are nonsexual daisychains, after all.

Sounds like a step in the right direction, imo

tl;dr - the spitroast tag could possibly be forked to include non-penetrative cases while still staying within range of 'oral + anal/vaginal' conditions

Chessax said:
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However what I wanted to talk about was spitroast, same thing here though, for me this is an action more than a position, i.e. you need oral_penetration + anal_penetration/vaginal_penetration. I wouldn't be against another term for a more general position tag which e.g. could depict f/m/f with cunnilingus + penis_backwards and penetration. But I'd rather not have spitroast diluted into a position
[..]

Definitely agreed about the spitroast tag,

I usually end up tagging it in on posts that don't explicitly show oral + anal/vaginal penetration, but the positions of the genitals(usually penis) / body (usually face) are within reasonable range

eg post #252097, post #1048046

since tmk, there's no 'genitals near face' or similar tags, there's no consistent way to find such posts

additionally, I think it's reasonable to assume people who search for the spitroast tag won't complain too much if examples of the 'position' is still recognizable.
spitroast -penetration would be an option as well, if we don't want to fork the tag

Update/changelog

Pretty big update, I'm trying out a standardized forum listing system thing (see Key and Notes for more info)

• Updated topic summary table
• everything up to this post should be accounted for

• split OP into various posts
• forum summary
• forum links

• Added 'List of Specific tags mentioned so far' section

[C]

Is this stand and carry position?

post #1046990

titanmelon said:
Is this stand and carry position?

post #1046990

Yep. Stand and carry is pretty broad. It doesn't differentiate exactly how the character is being held.

If it keeps growing, we might need to add subtags for it (or even split it) someday. But for now, searching for stand_and_carry_position + other tags (such as stand_and_carry leg_grab or stand_and_carry from_behind) works fine.

Yeah, agreed,
stand_and_carry_position from_behind sounds fine as a replacement for now

Does this count as spitroast (position)?
post #1057294

if not, should there be a specific tag for it?

personally, I'd put all the applicable cases in one umbrella tag (spitroast_position),
then people can either remove/blacklist cases they don't want to see, or specify additional criteria.
eg spitroast -self_fuck...

Rather than the opposite: Have only specific/arbitrarily-defined cases be put into the umbrella tag, and people doing a basic search (spitroast_position) have to add a bunch of additional tags to get all cases
ie spitroast self_fuck ~oral_penetration ~anal_penetration ~vaginal_penetration...

• added forum #193855 - Tag Alias: spitroast_position → spitroast (may 2016) to Links

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Update Dec. 2016

• added forum #156628 - Tribadism, Frottage, Tail_Sex and Penetration tag issues (Apr. 2015)
• forum #165755 - Tag Alias: pussy_sandwich → tribadism_on_penis (Jul. 2015)
• forum #216765 - Name for this position? (dec. 2016)

Should we have a reverse_leg_glider_position tag?

post #487324

I feel that a lot of feral-specific positions are getting forgotten about, like the Servicing_from_below tag. It's technically a position too.