Topic: Tag Implication: symbol-shaped_pupils -> unusual_pupils

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Implicating symbol-shaped_pupils → unusual_pupils
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Reason:

Symbol shaped pupils are "pupils that have unusual characteristics", fitting the guidelines of unusual pupils. I see no reason as to why it shouldn't imply it.

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1 Not commonly used, but much easier to type and remember and some are occasionally mistakenly tagged; manually fixed the tags myself.

2 This is to fit standards of other animal associated eye/pupil tags, like snake and cat eyes being aliased to slit pupils.

3 They're the same thing. Either one is fine, but considering the simplicity I feel dot eyes works best, but beady eyes is technically used more often so some may favor a reverse alias instead.

Edit:

Since exotic is a generally vague and frowned upon term, I feel exotic pupils should be aliased to unusual pupils, fitting tag standards. All uses of "exotic pupils" in this post are replaced with "unusual pupils" instead; I have suggested that exotic pupils be aliased to unusual pupils as well.

EDIT: The tag implication symbol-shaped_pupils -> exotic_pupils (forum #239880) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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Why is the word "exotic" being used when it means multiple things and "unusual" would work just as well?

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BlueDingo said:
Why is the word "exotic" being used when it means multiple things and "unusual" would work just as well?

This is true, and could be an apt solution; I used exotic pupils because it's a well known and used tag on here and people tend to favor the more commonly used tags.

But if it's generally accepted that a tag could replace it, then we can alias exotic pupils to perhaps another, better fitting tag name. And THEN perhaps apply these aliases/implications once it's been updated.

Would be nice to hear other thoughts on this tho; if it's generally agreed then I can agree to an "exotic pupils to (insert agreed upon name here, such as 'unusual pupils' which better fits standards)" alias.

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Since exotic means "Being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world" as well as "strikingly strange or unusual", there is the chance that people will assume the first definition before realising it's the second one. I know I did when I first saw it.

We have other unusual_* tags for describing things with unusual characteristics (eg. unusual_cum) so using unusual_pupils over exotic_pupils would be more consistent with other similar tags.

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BlueDingo said:
Since exotic means "Being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world" as well as "strikingly strange or unusual", there is the chance that people will assume the first definition before realising it's the second one. I know I did when I first saw it.

We have other unusual_* tags for describing things with unusual characteristics (eg. unusual_cum) so using unusual_pupils over exotic_pupils would be more consistent with other similar tags.

Gotcha, then that will be used instead and all mentions of "exotic pupils" in my OP are to be considered "unusual pupils" instead. With that in mind, thoughts on the suggested aliases/implications with unusual pupils being used instead of exotic pupils?

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Just noting that horizontal_pupils and slit_pupils are not unusual, they naturally acur in many real species and the latter is also very common within the fandom.

Also im not too keen on having symbol-shaped_pupils kept or used in any compasity considering any geometric shape including circles(human eyes) and bars or ellipse(slit and horizontal pupils) are technically symbol shapes too. Additionally i would avoid tags with dashes if possible since the norm does seem to be to only use underscores.

-1 to the alias of beady_eyes and dot_eyes while there is some overlap and concerning beady_eyes in particular clear mistagging by the same user in some of the most recent images showing up on the wiki page, looking at all the submissions in both, there is a clear distinction between the 2, dot eyes tend to be period or comma marks, while beady eyes are almost always large filled circles with a highlight mark that helps define were the character is actually looking and in other cases have true highlights and reflections to look like beads/glass eyes.

Dragon_Eyes should be invalidated as dragons in the fandom commonly have both humanoid pupils or slit_pupils, not just the latter.

Also what is your reasoning for using symbol-shaped_pupils in the first place instead of symbol_pupils? lengthy multi spaced tags shouldn't be used if they arnt necessary given better alternatives.

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Ruku said:
Also what is your reasoning for using symbol-shaped_pupils in the first place instead of symbol_pupils? lengthy multi spaced tags shouldn't be used if they arnt necessary given better alternatives.

My reasoning was that it's the most used tag for this purpose. However since tags with dashes tend to get aliased in favor of simpler tags (or at least have aliases without dashes that fix it to the appropriate tag), perhaps it should be aliased to symbol pupils (or vice versa).

My logic in making slit and horizontal pupils as unusual is because they're not the general standard circular pupils seen in a lot of art + humanoids, but you could definitely make the argument that humanoid properties shouldn't dictate what we consider "normal" and "unusual". So yeah, I can definitely see that. I do still stand by aliasing things such as goat/caprine eyes to "horizontal pupils", at the very least. But perhaps they don't need the unusual pupils tag if people disagree with my logic, which is fair.

Ruku said:
Dragon_Eyes should be invalidated as dragons in the fandom commonly have both humanoid pupils or slit_pupils, not just the latter.

Fair enough. I just usually see people calling slit/reptilian eyes "draconic eyes" and vice versa casually, but I suppose that isn't universal.

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facelessmess said:
I do still stand by aliasing things such as goat/caprine eyes to "horizontal pupils",

Thats fair enough, i never said there was anything wrong with thoses.

Also wanted to add that gradient_eyes should also be implicated to heterochromia as gradients are a type of that.

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Ruku said:
Thats fair enough, i never said there was anything wrong with thoses.

Also wanted to add that gradient_eyes should also be implicated to heterochromia as gradients are a type of that.

I'm not very knowledgeable abt heterochromia so I won't make much of a comment on it, tho I do know most people use it on eyes that have differing color per eye rather than both pupils just having gradient colors, tho I suppose this could be fine in custom searches such as "heterochromia -gradient_eyes"

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