Discuss the censorship in television and movies on television.

I understand why companies, i.e 4kids, censor their programs like One Piece.

We don't want kids to imitate these bad acts such as smoking if left aired unabridged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

When Princess Bubblegum says "You promised you wouldn't freakin' tell anyone!" in Jake's face, was change into "You promised you wouldn't tell anyone!" in Cartoon Network Philippines.

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Movies on TV is the same subject matter but can be edited differently due to no audio the audio changes in the programming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koLWPq2qDY

Thoughts?

Here in the US, I know for sure censorship is not as strict as other countries. And thus, this is one of the reasons why people don't like America

TheHuskyK9 said:
Here in the US, I know for sure censorship is not as strict as other countries. And thus, this is one of the reasons why people don't like America

so...they don't like it because we offer more freedom? okay then, I hate the UK and the EU because their currency is worth more...

Seriously though that's not a reason to hate the US

PheagleAdler said:
so...they don't like it because we offer more freedom? okay then, I hate the UK and the EU because their currency is worth more...

Seriously though that's not a reason to hate the US

Haters gonna hate, I guess

In the Yu-Gi-Oh series, 4kids even changed the nondescript scribbles on posters to other nondescript scribbles. I guess the original scribbles were too japanese.

In the old days of cartoons they got away with worst stuff that would draws red flags now.

Falord said:
In the old days of cartoons they got away with worst stuff that would draws red flags now.

Tom & Jerry, Popeye, Looney Tunes. The list can be (and will be) even larger...

I am still in awe at the fact that this got past the censors.

Snowy said:
I am still in awe at the fact that this got past the censors.

Why? This has marked the existence of... fingerprints?

Xch3l said:
Why? This has marked the existence of... fingerprints?

Not sure if serious...but just in case you are, the guy in the pink suit is named Prince.

If you still need help, I'll refer you to Cracked.

Snowy said:
Not sure if serious...but just in case you are, the guy in the pink suit is named Prince.

If you still need help, I'll refer you to Cracked.

lol yeah, I got the joke, "Finger Prince". Also, good ref, I didn't get the Cow & Chicken (C&C was weird) and Chowder (never thought of that Ice cream like that) ones. Rocko's Modern Life was actually pretty fucked up and probably wasn't targeted at young children (specially with Peaches and Really Rreally Big Man, sometimes Heffer and Rocko itself)

Ren & Stimpy.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Here in the US, I know for sure censorship is not as strict as other countries. And thus, this is one of the reasons why people don't like America

Only true for conservative idiots. We germans hate the USA because most only know from bavaria, which is our texas, and completely ignore that the rest of us won't be caught dead in the bavarian attire.

But to the topic, censorship in germany is only applied as a "protection of the youth" and is done by the "USK" who decides how offending things are and what things are allowed to be sold or displayed. There are different rankings for different things and since a couple years also to what end something is displayed and how. It includes only, in theory, sexual act in all media except books, violence in all media, except books and music, and the display and spread of nazi symbolism and ideologie in all media, although that has gotten better over the past couple years.

The amount of censorship is different for the different forms of media, with written books getting the least cuts to their contents (in the last couple years not a single book got cut, Mein Kampf and other nazi works however are still illegal to buy or trade in germany), comic books, including manga, were cut a bit more often, although I also only know about nazi symbolism being changed, story, violence and sex were often left unchanged.
Movies got a bit more love from the doctors with furious cuts to nazi symbolism although that also got less over the last decade, the cuts were worst in anime for some reason (every single nazi flag in the original Hellsing Anime got changed, nobody cared about them in Indiana Jones, the new Hellsing OVA however is completely uncensored), sex and violence are often completely ignored, but those are often only showed after 8-9 o'clock and with short parental advisory in front of them if they are deemed to hardcore.

And now to my most beloved subject, censorship in videogames.
The censorship in videogames is done based on a ranking, indicating for what age it is suited. This start at zero, which means a game completely without conflict or anything like maria kart, pong or tetris.
Goes to six years for games like super mario land or pikmin with highly comical violence and only against non-human enemies.
Up to twelve where a bit off violence against humans is tolerated (no blood, no wounds, no corpses except skeletons or the occasional green tinted and highly adorable zombie) like Lufia, Final Fantasy or other classic rpg games.
16 years is with blood squirts and some adult language, and the option to either play violently, attack and kill civilians and getting money for killing people in a "human" way (which simply means torture is off limits) blood decals, desecrating of corpses, ragdoll of corpses and dismemberment is still not allowed, the best bames in this category is The Elder Scrolls Series, and GTA without blood and no kicking dead people, no robbing prostitutes after sex, and Coumter Strike.
18 years, games for adults, are now finally allowed to bath in blood, with decals, blood squirts, the occasional ripped of body part and assassination mission against any and all npc. Best examples are Dishonored, Quake, any Doom, uncut GTA.
Then there is "rating denied". Rating denied means worse than rating 18, one can only achieve this rating with inhuman behavior, the only point of the game needs to be realistic slaughter against human enemies (or civilians) and giving "points" or achievements or something for especially brutal and graphic slaughter. The series for this category include Prototype 1 and the uncut 2, Postal, Blood Rayne 2, Quake 3 uncut, and a couple other slaughter games.
That non-rating is especially interesting because a not rated game is still allowed to be sold under the counter to people above 18 years, but it is not allowed to advertise, review or even talk about it in any media. A rating like that is practically the death of the game over here.
18-rated games are still allowed to be openly advertised and sold, but inly in mature magazines and store section with ID control.
The rest of the ratings can be advertised and sold anywhere to anyone of the advised rating.
Oh, there are also games that become more difficult or outright unplayable with censorship, most recent example would be Prototype 2 where you need to stealth absorb civilians to do some mission or to simply escape the military, you can't however target civilians and thus can't stealth absorb shit, you may only rip those suckers apart for reasons unknown.

Oh, other depictions of illegal things, bestiality for example, are also not allowed to be sold or traded or to be shown to minors. With the high chance with making the simple possessing of those illegal in a couple years.
Child pornography or child cruelty in general is completely off limits. Everything involving CP is illegal, klicked a non descript link to a child getting raped? Better reset your router, wipe your HDD and change the provider.
However, making a picture of your toddler because it got himself a bruise, or rash or something is still fine, making the same picture of the neighbours child may get you in trouble.

And Jesus Christ is that a wall of text.

tl;dr: I hate the censorship in germany and even pirate legally bought games so I can play them uncensored.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Here in the US, I know for sure censorship is not as strict as other countries. And thus, this is one of the reasons why people don't like America

*Quickly looks on examples of 4kids censorship*
Yeah... right...
Censoring death, censoring skin color, "Americanization". This is less strict, huh?
In my country we have a male voice actor for Spitfire from mlp, and the worst dubbed song for digimons ever. But even we don't have things like you have.

Also we don't like America, because:
a) It has rather big percentage of uneducated idiots (For example this)
b) You give those idiots guns.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
*Quickly looks on examples of 4kids censorship*
Yeah... right...
Censoring death, censoring skin color, "Americanization". This is less strict, huh?
In my country we have a male voice actor for Spitfire from mlp, and the worst dubbed song for digimons ever. But even we don't have things like you have.

Also we don't like America, because:
a) It has rather big percentage of uneducated idiots (For example this)
b) You give those idiots guns.

Easy with the generalisations, there...
Unless you have multiple personalities, that is. :3

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
In my country we have [..] the worst dubbed song for digimons ever.

Worse than the American digimon opening song?

If so, please provide a link. I have this morbid curiosity that must be satisfied.

For rather bizarre censorship, look up the German version of Naruto.

As for America, there are lots of anime and cartoons censored to remove even the implication of death and religion. Refer to Yu-Gi-Oh, where guards were rather hilariously left pointing fingers at Kaiba at several points because their guns were edited away.

Of course, there's also the infamous One Piece dub.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
In my country we have a male voice actor for Spitfire from mlp, and the worst dubbed song for digimons ever. But even we don't have things like you have.

Polish Spitfire, right? I feel so sorry for the fact you have to deal with the Polish dub of Digimon. I've only heard of it, but it's unbelievably bad.

Snowy said:
Worse than the American digimon opening song?

If so, please provide a link. I have this morbid curiosity that must be satisfied.

Here. It's bassicly the same (c)rap. The problem is, that between that between 0:20 and 0:30 they sing that "they came from other planet, and they will save our world". In whole opening instead of mentioning digivolution or anything from the show they inserted laughable pathos.

Did they even bothered to watch the show? Or did they just look at pictures and said "Oh, great another show to dub. Looks like we have aliens this time. Let's get over with it. At least it seems to make more sense then watching group of teenagers fighting with spinning discs."

Good thing I've watched Tamers in subtitles.

DragonRanger said:
For rather bizarre censorship, look up the German version of Naruto.

As for America, there are lots of anime and cartoons censored to remove even the implication of death and religion. Refer to Yu-Gi-Oh, where guards were rather hilariously left pointing fingers at Kaiba at several points because their guns were edited away.

Of course, there's also the infamous One Piece dub.

Polish Spitfire, right? I feel so sorry for the fact you have to deal with the Polish dub of Digimon. I've only heard of it, but it's unbelievably bad.

4kids is not the one you want to go to for the general examples of censorship in the us, they are an exception not the rule. Viz Media is one of the big distributors and kept their stuff mostly intact. As well as Gonzo and Funimation.

Princess_Celestia said:
4kids is not the one you want to go to for the general examples of censorship in the us, they are an exception not the rule. Viz Media is one of the big distributors and kept their stuff mostly intact. As well as Gonzo and Funimation.

I was just talking about the anime that most are able to watch on TV. A lot of the anime on air nowadays outside of the specialty anime channels is stuff that is censored or dumbed down for kids.

DragonRanger said:
I was just talking about the anime that most are able to watch on TV. A lot of the anime on air nowadays outside of the specialty anime channels is stuff that is censored or dumbed down for kids.

Some western publishing companies try to shoehorn anime series into the cartoon demographic when they import them.

They're two separate (but related) markets, and a lot things about what is designed/appropriate for whom is lost in translation when moving overseas.

It's a cultural thing, too: in the west, animation is still largely saddled with the stigma of being a "childish" form of entertainment (that seems to be improving with time, albeit very slowly).

KloH0und said:
Some western publishing companies try to shoehorn anime series into the cartoon demographic when they import them.

They're two separate (but related) markets, and a lot things about what is designed/appropriate for whom is lost in translation when moving overseas.

It's a cultural thing, too: in the west, animation is still largely saddled with the stigma of being a "childish" form of entertainment (that seems to be improving with time, albeit very slowly).

Theirs also the whole difference in japan compared ot the US in terms of what is culturally acceptable for kids to see.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
We germans hate the USA because most only know from bavaria, which is our texas, and completely ignore that the rest of us won't be caught dead in the bavarian attire.

Speak for yourself.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Also we don't like America, because:
a) It has rather big percentage of uneducated idiots (For example this)
b) You give those idiots guns.

Who is this "we"? The ignorant, hypocritical morons? I don't give the idiots of my country a damn thing, definitely not guns, and evolution is a bad example.

PheagleAdler said:
Who is this "we"? The ignorant, hypocritical morons? I don't give the idiots of my country a damn thing, definitely not guns, and evolution is a bad example.

Agreed

Ooh, anti-american sentiment, gun rights, and evolution vs creationism all in one place.

If there is one thing I've learned, it's that anything involving censorship will immediately turn political, Americans will try to turn it into an opportunity to jerk America off, everyone else will tell the guy jerking America to stop, the America jerker will then translate that to "I r a foreigner who hate America and freedom!" and will go into defense mode, and before you know it we're all at each others throat. As an American I'm gonna take the high road and say unnessicary censorship is bad and that's it.

NightLord14 said:
If there is one thing I've learned, it's that anything involving censorship will immediately turn political, Americans will try to turn it into an opportunity to jerk America off, everyone else will tell the guy jerking America to stop, the America jerker will then translate that to "I r a foreigner who hate America and freedom!" and will go into defense mode, and before you know it we're all at each others throat. As an American I'm gonna take the high road and say unnessicary censorship is bad and that's it.

I don't think I would ever whip it out for my country on the topic of censorship. Every country is subjected to awful censorships in the media. My little tirade ain't about cartoons though. The worst form of censoring takes place in the news media where they censor out important information and spin off a story of half-truths to fit their agenda. It happens on both sides, there are no televised newscasts anymore, as they have been turned into jerkfests for whichever party they choose to support (depending on what benefits them most, of course, as party ideology has changed over the years).
However, while I would like a non politically-charged news source, I do believe that there are certain things kids don't need to hear and witness on a daily basis.

AdmiralSpicyweiner said:

I don't think I would ever whip it out for my country on the topic of censorship. Every country is subjected to awful censorships in the media. My little tirade ain't about cartoons though. The worst form of censoring takes place in the news media where they censor out important information and spin off a story of half-truths to fit their agenda. It happens on both sides, there are no televised newscasts anymore, as they have been turned into jerkfests for whichever party they choose to support (depending on what benefits them most, of course, as party ideology has changed over the years).
However, while I would like a non politically-charged news source, I do believe that there are certain things kids don't need to hear and witness on a daily basis.

:/ To bad in my country the censorship got a dick up the ass by one new caster... Got to see a girl get raped, a guy who got shot and killed. Hell yesterday got to see a Mother and her kids dead on the side of the road after a car accident.... It Changes quite literal by were you live. No Censorship with this guy tho lol But people still think hiding the bad stuff helps... It just make you want to find out what the uncensored stuff looks like. Prime example PORN.

Falord said:
:/ To bad in my country the censorship got a dick up the ass by one new caster... Got to see a girl get raped, a guy who got shot and killed. Hell yesterday got to see a Mother and her kids dead on the side of the road after a car accident.... It Changes quite literal by were you live.

I meant like words and deeds, leaving out background info, but DAMN! Are you sure that's a newscast and not some mockumentary snuff-film?

Falord said:
No Censorship with this guy tho lol But people still think hiding the bad stuff helps... It just make you want to find out what the uncensored stuff looks like. Prime example PORN.

Eh, true. I just meant cursing and shit for young children. Violent tv produces violent play. Just look at Bandura's Bobo doll experiment.

AdmiralSpicyweiner said:
I meant like words and deeds, leaving out background info, but DAMN! Are you sure that's a newscast and not some mockumentary snuff-film?

Mexican news are very graphic.
Seeing the victims of violent crimes without a plane draped over them is kinda normal.

I don't think there's much censoring going on here in Finland. I haven't noticed. Sounds more like something they would do in USA...?

If we are talking about kids shows, there's not much of them here. D:

Hm, I wonder If we have any other Finns here, who have noticed something?

Hm. Here in the UK, censorship is quite relaxed compared to, say, Germany for example.

Ultimately censorship from an outside source is stupid in the modern era we are entirely in control of what media we choose to consume and if it offends you or your moral values then you will not watch it or actively seek it out.

You of course have every right to criticise but no right to police the content that other people wish to view.

Peekaboo said:
Oh, except when it comes to politics or anything that has to do with religion/race, then it is usually censored in some form.

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Peekaboo said:
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Allah Akbar bewm!

all I know is, "ass!" "hole!" "AS*****"... ass... hole? AS****!! television is wierd. also, censorship is unamerican!

crackers said:
all I know is, "ass!" "hole!" "AS*****"... ass... hole? AS****!! television is wierd. also, censorship is unamerican!

Uh, I do believe that it's no longer censorship at this point, i think it has become a deterrent for people to use better words and phrases in place of them. You warm-bellied rumpled strumpet.

Peekaboo said:
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Munkelzahn said:
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