Since noone wanted to respond in I.o.'s thread about the penetration tag matter...

This needs to be unaliased. According to the standards here anal_penetration can be just a character findering or toyplaying with their anus. By that logic that character is having sex somehow. Obviously this is not the case so it should just be anal_sex imply to anal_penetraton.

Rimming is technically anal sex but not always anal penetration.

There should be no alias or implication either way.

Indeed -- to both Kiwi's primary suggestion and to GreyMaria's observation.

I don't know if there are any such images, here, but if there was one featuring a prostate exam, that would get flagged as "sex", with the reverse alias or implication. I would guess most of us who have had those don't any sort of sexual thrill out of them.

I never though about the rimming thing.

can we all at least agree that anal_sex should be ubaliased though?

I'd kinda want some more input on this before I de-alias

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'd kinda want some more input on this before I de-alias

me too I suppose....

Cmon guys! :3

RedRaven said:
Indeed -- to both Kiwi's primary suggestion and to GreyMaria's observation.

I don't know if there are any such images, here, but if there was one featuring a prostate exam, that would get flagged as "sex", with the reverse alias or implication. I would guess most of us who have had those don't any sort of sexual thrill out of them.

This. Anal_penetration is not always anal_sex, and anal_sex does not always involve anal_penetration.

If we de-aliased that, we'd have to de-alias vaginal_penetration and vaginal_sex too and completely restructure how we tag vaginal and anal sex in images. And we're not doing that.

ippiki_ookami said:
If we de-aliased that, we'd have to de-alias vaginal_penetration and vaginal_sex too and completely restructure how we tag vaginal and anal sex in images. And we're not doing that.

Tagging problems only get bigger the longer we wait to fix them...

ippiki_ookami said:
If we de-aliased that, we'd have to de-alias vaginal_penetration and vaginal_sex too and completely restructure how we tag vaginal and anal sex in images. And we're not doing that.

Cunnilingus does not necessarily mean vaginal_penetration. You don't really have to penetrate to just lick the labia minora and the clitoris.

De-alias vaginal_sex -/> vaginal_penetration as well.

ippiki_ookami said:
If we de-aliased that, we'd have to de-alias vaginal_penetration and vaginal_sex too and completely restructure how we tag vaginal and anal sex in images. And we're not doing that.

yeah, just avoid all of our problems and let the system of inaccuracy continue to build up and up instead of trying to make things better in the long run.

KiwiPotato said:
yeah, just avoid all of our problems and let the system of inaccuracy continue to build up and up instead of trying to make things better in the long run.

Have you heard of letting something go and if it didn't come back, you never had it?
Yeah, let go of the problem and let it continue. But that's not how life works, we can stop it of course, but all I can say it's just a lot of work.

And I am pretty sure we all are not going to do that to waste our time, some will because they want to and such, we probably have something way more important than just going on the internet and waste time. *tips hat*

Time, time, time...

I'm sorry for sounding rude but....

Keats said:
Have you heard of letting something go and if it didn't come back, you never had it?
Yeah, let go of the problem and let it continue. But that's not how life works, we can stop it of course, but all I can say it's just a lot of work.

And I am pretty sure we all are not going to do that to waste our time, some will because they want to and such, we probably have something way more important than just going on the internet and waste time. *tips hat*

Time, time, time...

too much tl;dr proverbic blabbity blah nonsense
Not enough concise shortnsweet

Seriously, could you just get to the point please?

KiwiPotato said:
I'm sorry for sounding rude but....
too much tl;dr proverbic blabbity blah nonsense
Not enough concise shortnsweet

Seriously, could you just get to the point please?

The point? As for the point, it needs to stand. Or else the point will just fall off if you know what I mean.

The reason it needs a stand for the point because without a stand there will be no reason, no purpose for that point to be there.

But you could've just look for the point of what I just said. Simplify; look for it, instead of asking and looking for shortcuts and such but this is just a suggestion.

Keats said:
The point? As for the point, it needs to stand. Or else the point will just fall off if you know what I mean.

The reason it needs a stand for the point because without a stand there will be no reason, no purpose for that point to be there.

But you could've just look for the point of what I just said. Simplify; look for it, instead of asking and looking for shortcuts and such but this is just a suggestion.

tl;dr version

You obviously clicked this first if you have because you want something to be done.

The point is/my point is:

Too much work; a waste of time, we got something better to do in our lives. Encounter this as you wish.

Go home Keats, you are drunk.

And why would we be here reading this if we had something better to do?

-"too much work"
Did anyone ask you to so any of the work? You are not required to do anything so quit complaining,. Also, if this is approved the mod team will take care of the alias part anyway.

-"waste of time"
Really? People/a person trying to collaborate to fix a tagging issue for the ameliorating of some tags is a waste of time?

-"we got something better to do".
YOU have something better to do. Go do what you want and let the people that actually want to help out help out.

bump

bump

cmon guys :(

Don't forget about anal_insertion

Akkira said:
Don't forget about anal_insertion

hm.... I don't know enough about that tag.
quick, someone compare anal_penetration to anal_insertion so we can get this over with already

The tag you guys want "anal_sex" to be, is the "anal" tag.
We have no need for a separate anal_sex tag.

Hammie said:
The tag you guys want "anal_sex" to be, is the "anal" tag.
We have no need for a separate anal_sex tag.

They rather want something that cannot be easily described by tags right now. anal would return solo character with sex toy in ass, or solo character anally fingering. They want tag that would imply sex, and sex involves at least 2 characters in certain context.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
They rather want something that cannot be easily described by tags right now. anal would return solo character with sex toy in ass, or solo character anally fingering. They want tag that would imply sex, and sex involves at least 2 characters in certain context.

Easily accomplished by searching "anal straight" or "anal gay" depending on whether you want straight or gay since both imply 2 or more participants.
Same applies in the reverse, searching "anal solo" would get you a single character preforming anal stimulation.

No need for further tags.

Why not just search anal sex?

Hammie said:
Easily accomplished by searching "anal straight" or "anal gay" depending on whether you want straight or gay since both imply 2 or more participants.
Same applies in the reverse, searching "anal solo" would get you a single character preforming anal stimulation.

No need for further tags.

Nope. "Anal *orientation*" won't necessarily get you a picture without sex toys and stuff. I can search anal gay and get a picture of four guys doing nothing but fisting eachother or something.

*_sex tag seems pretty imperative to me.

The prime issue here is to dealias anyway, but whatevs.

KiwiPotato said:
Nope. "Anal *orientation*" won't necessarily get you a picture without sex toys and stuff. I can search anal gay and get a picture of four guys doing nothing but fisting eachother or something.

*_sex tag seems pretty imperative to me.

The prime issue here is to dealias anyway, but whatevs.

But the arguments for the tag are including rim jobs.

DrHorse said:
Why not just search anal sex?

It's still not perfect because of posts similar to
post #275799

Here ya go:
http://e621.net/post?tags=anal_penetration+sex+-sex_toy+-fingering+-rim_job

Hammie said:
Here ya go:
http://e621.net/post?tags=anal_penetration+sex+-sex_toy+-fingering+-rim_job

Which eliminates any image that has what they want plus those three excluded terms in addition. The only way your search would work is if nobody ever had anal sex while also having a sex toy in the room or anyone in the picture fingering or giving a rim job.

Hammie said:
Here ya go:
http://e621.net/post?tags=anal_penetration+sex+-sex_toy+-fingering+-rim_job

Now there are many false negatives, like pegging, or group sex, where two characters are having anal sex, and other is using sex toy.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Now there are many false negatives, like pegging, or group sex, where two characters are having anal sex, and other is using sex toy.

All of which would be tagged with the anal_sex tag, do your argument is meaningless.
The tag you want provides that exact same problem.

Foobaria said:
Which eliminates any image that has what they want plus those three excluded terms in addition. The only way your search would work is if nobody ever had anal sex while also having a sex toy in the room or anyone in the picture fingering or giving a rim job.

Sure, but if those images don't bother you then you just exclude the negative searches and you have no problems.

Hammie said:
All of which would be tagged with the anal_sex tag, do your argument is meaningless.
The tag you want provides that exact same problem.

By false negatives I mean pictures that should be found by anal_sex, but will not be found using http://e621.net/post?tags=anal_penetration+sex+-sex_toy+-fingering+-rim_job
So, no anal_sex tag would not have problem that problem.

Your set of tags is making assumptions that no pictures that contain sex_toy or fingering will have anal_sex in them.
The point of OP, and others is that not all pictures that contain sex_toy or fingering will have anal_sex in them. It's not the same.

Gilda pretty much took the words out of my mouth, only better.