just wondering but is there any good reason why proper names are used for male genitalia and non-sexual bodyparts and orifices but slang used for female genitalia?
I see that the proper names for female genitalia do exist but are presently aliased to slang words rather then the other way around...

This kinda in light to derogatory describers also used specificly for intersex sub groups

It's shorthand, last I checked. Penis and pussy are common terms. We use vaginal_penetration, and etc., but typing vagina is longer than pussy, and pussy is (to quote my thoughts) "just as precise".

But I'm talking for myself, I do not have any actual idea, and I'd be in favor to changing it to vagina for consistency with vaginal_*, along with penile_* with penis.

Siral_Eurgh-xan said:
It's shorthand, last I checked. Penis and pussy are common terms. We use vaginal_penetration, and etc., but typing vagina is longer than pussy, and pussy is (to quote my thoughts) "just as precise".

But I'm talking for myself, I do not have any actual idea, and I'd be in favor to changing it to vagina for consistency with vaginal_*, along with penile_* with penis.

i guess that would be so, just one extra letter but i personaly wouldnt see it quite as percice as people call cats pussy's some times as well or use it for shame in the pase of people showing fear or being weak thru in this case here consistancy or lack there of is a large part as to why im asking this.

What we tag as pussy is a combination of vulva, clitoris, labia majora and labia minora, depending on what is actually visible. While the penis has a single word to properly describe the combination of the glans, corpus, and foreskin (if applicable) we lack a scientific term for the combination of those for the female genitalia.

Pussy is the most neutral term that does this, as such it is used.

Vagina on the other hand would be completely wrong since that only describes the actual vagina, which, as we all know, is the internal flesh tube and not something we actually tag, or actually are able to see on the majority of posts tagged with pussy.

NotMeNotYou said:
What we tag as pussy is a combination of vulva, clitoris, labia majora and labia minora, depending on what is actually visible. While the penis has a single word to properly describe the combination of the glans, corpus, and foreskin (if applicable) we lack a scientific term for the combination of those for the female genitalia.

Pussy is the most neutral term that does this, as such it is used.

Vagina on the other hand would be completely wrong since that only describes the actual vagina, which, as we all know, is the internal flesh tube and not something we actually tag, or actually are able to see on the majority of posts tagged with pussy.

The term 'vulva' already encompasses the clitoris, and both labia majora and minora though.

Fatcat222 said:
The term 'vulva' already encompasses the clitoris, and both labia majora and minora though.

Then we would have to have vagina tagged separately, and if we have that enabled people would mistag vulva as vagina.

It could be because almost all languages tend to euphemise words for more sacred items. The more personally important a subject is the more we avoid saying it.

Like urinating/defecating, death, sex, religion and money. All which have multiple "slangs" associated with them in almost all languages.

NotMeNotYou said:
What we tag as pussy is a combination of vulva, clitoris, labia majora and labia minora, depending on what is actually visible. While the penis has a single word to properly describe the combination of the glans, corpus, and foreskin (if applicable) we lack a scientific term for the combination of those for the female genitalia.

Pussy is the most neutral term that does this, as such it is used.

Vagina on the other hand would be completely wrong since that only describes the actual vagina, which, as we all know, is the internal flesh tube and not something we actually tag, or actually are able to see on the majority of posts tagged with pussy.

Sorry for making another thread didnt realize.

Anyway this is actually wrong, vulva IS the word that encompasses everything, labia is the lips only, vulva refers to the entire external female genitalia.

From the other thread:

parasprite said:
We merge them for simplicity, but if we merge it to anything I vote for "vagina" over anything (despite the technical inaccuracy).

But really I don't see this mattering enough to bother one way or the other.

parasprite said:
From the other thread:

Vagina does work at least despite the inaccurate nature. Its the first word people think of.

I still believe vulva is better however.

Plus, considering there already is a clitoris tag, its not like anything will change. Theres no need to suddenly HAVE to tag all the intimate parts of the vulva. Also in some images tagged with uncut there is a glans tag to denote it is visible despite there being foreskin. The clit tag is there for the same reason, since its not always visible. And tagging the word vagina separately every now and then (for specifically female internal shots which makes tagging easier to find and blacklist) does absolutely no harm and can only help and benefit tag clarification purposes.

I see no functional issue with vulva. Especially when its naturally meaning the same thing as pussy.

Plus. Its awkward as hell that penis is scientific but we use pussy instead of the scientific vulva.

I always assumed it was because the word 'vagina' makes some men uncomfortable.

Dictionary definition of vulva states it as being all of the external parts etc.

Added to forum #140749 - Physical Gender Name Standardization: aliases/discussion (Oct. 2014)

Would that require changing all the other pussy tags too? Because then some of those would sound kind of... off.

Such as vulva_juice.

Genjar said:
Would that require changing all the other pussy tags too? Because then some of those would sound kind of... off.

Such as vulva_juice.

I guess technically, are there any tags that still use "cock"?

It just seems like a lot of work, and switching a bunch of tags to names that are awkward and unfamiliar, for no payoff. You'd have to create a new tag for internal views (because vulva wouldn't apply to those), make sure people don't mistag internal/external views, rename a whole bunch of tags (like changing cum_in_pussy to cum_in_vagina or something), and deal with a bunch of new tag names that are unfamiliar to everyone and aren't nearly as ubiquitous as "pussy" terms are (have you ever heard someone refer to "vulva juice"?).

Eww, vulva_juice.

Pussy_juice_forever!

TonyLemur said:
It just seems like a lot of work, and switching a bunch of tags to names that are awkward and unfamiliar, for no payoff. You'd have to create a new tag for internal views (because vulva wouldn't apply to those), make sure people don't mistag internal/external views, rename a whole bunch of tags (like changing cum_in_pussy to cum_in_vagina or something), and deal with a bunch of new tag names that are unfamiliar to everyone and aren't nearly as ubiquitous as "pussy" terms are (have you ever heard someone refer to "vulva juice"?).

pardon but why would we need a new tag for internals, tag is pretty much independent of any specific genitalia or name there of. and payoff is consistency in that we use proper names for just about everything else on this site that describes a figures attributes, just not intersex genders/sex and female genitalia. Just for being new is not an excuse to keep a existing system/name. Also not that much work or hard(unfamiliar) on taggers to get used to when you can simply alias old name to new name, name changes(to reflect consistency), not the function.

Oh shit dis again

TruckNutz said:
Oh shit dis again

a unresolved issue will keep coming back till it is resolved. you can ignore it as much as you like but threads will just keep being made till it is. not saying i will make these since this has been continuously ongoing long before i started posting on e621

final decisions still hasvnt been done on what to be used in the related forum #195804

R'D said:
a unresolved issue will keep coming back till it is resolved. you can ignore it as much as you like but threads will just keep being made till it is. not saying i will make these since this has been continuously ongoing long before i started posting on e621

final decisions still hasvnt been done on what to be used in the related forum #195804

Well then someone needs to come to a fucking compromise b4 the forums ain't nothing left but this

Someone thinks this site is Tumblr apparently . . .

R'D said:
a unresolved issue will keep coming back till it is resolved. you can ignore it as much as you like but threads will just keep being made till it is. not saying i will make these since this has been continuously ongoing long before i started posting on e621

final decisions still hasvnt been done on what to be used in the related forum #195804

The difference is that here, the issue is people thinking sexism that isn't present is. We aren't calling people pussies, we're calling female genitals pussies. It's slang, but it's accurate and inoffensive. If you were to call a person a pussy, then yeah, that's pretty offensive, but the vulva and vagina? Not so.

CamKitty said:
Someone thinks this site is Tumblr apparently . . .

I've noticed a number of people within certain social circles referring to tumblr in the same tone you'd use for spam mail or obnoxious meme/content aggregation sites

'tumblr is leaking'
'this isn't tumblr'

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How come you rarely see corresponding phrases like:

'4chan/9gag/reddit/imgur etc is leaking'
'this isn't 4chan/9gag/reddit/imgur etc'
?
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To me, it sounds like:

"this isn't [a place where pre-conceived notions relating to gender and equality can be openly-questioned/explored by the more open-minded adolescents + the current generations]"

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But that doesn't seem to be the case for e621
(at least 2 people have already complained about that, which is also interesting),

since we've had/do have innumerable forum topics and discussions about those things already

Furrin_Gok said:
The difference is that here, the issue is people thinking sexism that isn't present is. We aren't calling people pussies, we're calling female genitals pussies. It's slang, but it's accurate and inoffensive. If you were to call a person a pussy, then yeah, that's pretty offensive, but the vulva and vagina? Not so.

im aware it wasnt the best title to be used but it still stands that using slang specifically for female genitalia and intersex groups is inconsistent with the rest of the tags on this site not being based on slang and not carrying the negative canotations that the subjected slang does. Especially when there are proper alternatives that might i add dont have the multiple different meanings/uses pussy has.

R'D said:
im aware it wasnt the best title to be used but it still stands that using slang specifically for female genitalia and intersex groups is inconsistent with the rest of the tags on this site not being based on slang and not carrying the negative canotations that the subjected slang does. Especially when there are proper alternatives that might i add dont have the multiple different meanings/uses pussy has.

I have yet to see an accurate alternative offered. "Vulva" is only the external bits, which would result in so many mistags between Vulva (Outter) and Vagina (Inner).

Furrin_Gok said:
I have yet to see an accurate alternative offered. "Vulva" is only the external bits, which would result in so many mistags between Vulva (Outter) and Vagina (Inner).

And for what we see in more the say 90% of all drawings and paintings with female genitalia only the external genitalia which does include the vaginal opening as well factor in. "vaginal_canal" can be what is used for the cases that the deeper parts are visible, must note we do have the anal equivalint of that in the form of intestines...

With regards to tagging and in addition to what NotMeNotYou said,

Here's an earlier post I made in another forum about the pussy/vagina thing etc.

p.forum #190368

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In cases of species who don't have a 'vagina in the strict, anatomical sense of the word (i.e. no 'birth canal'),
'pussy' is a rather fitting tag to identify the similar concept, without being 'incorrect' about name usage

This presumably extends (hah) to the male case as well- dick, cock etc, for species with no 'real 'penis

Furrin_Gok said:
I have yet to see an accurate alternative offered. "Vulva" is only the external bits, which would result in so many mistags between Vulva (Outter) and Vagina (Inner).

There would be n

Furrin_Gok said:
I have yet to see an accurate alternative offered. "Vulva" is only the external bits, which would result in so many mistags between Vulva (Outter) and Vagina (Inner).

O more mistags than there already are. After all vagina and vag are aliased to pussy already so nah. It would just autocorrect.

Furthermore if we did disambiguate them from each other it would still not be a problem.

Theres no issue in tagging "vagina" when referring to internal shots.

Vulva refers to all the external parts and the vaginal /opening/ not the canal itself. So theres absolutely no issue here with the new word in that respect as it fulfills the same purpose. Creatures with wierd or alternate configurations notwithstanding it has everything you need.

The only issue is as you mentioned. Vulva_juice is one of the grossest sounding tags Ive ever said out loud.

But then again thats part of the issue in this threads creation. Theres an existing societal bias towards the Okayness of male parts to be scientific and standardized as such because its something to be only discussed in closed rooms. And pussy? Well female parts are "supposed to be sexualized" and so using a slang term for it is completely "acceptable" while using a term like "cock" seems wrong or somehow demeaning?

It does go both ways. Its the same reason hollywood can show a lesbian couple hold hands or kiss but if you wanna show a gay couple being romantic youre just about fucked.

Women are objects to be ogled sexualized and used. Men are expected to be unfeeling tools for labour.

I could go into the deeper end of the sociology aspect of this for hours but the fact of the matter is.

The op is right.

The only reason we have it listed as pussy instead of vulva is the societal preconceived notion that womens parts are somehow worth less respect than male parts. And male parts are meant to be ignored or reduced to a non object.

Cock and Dick aren't demeaning when you're talking about genitals, not people. If you are talking about people? It's quite rude! But you know what else is rude? Calling somebody a Penis. You're talking as though we're using a word that can't be used as an insult for men, while using one that can for women, but that's not true: Any of these words can be used as an insult when you aren't speaking in the intended field (Genitalia).

If you want to argue that women not having a "Proper term" to refer to their genitals, then go make up a word and convince everybody to start using it. Or, just use the word "Pussy" since that's actually what we're already doing! Make it a word that officially means what it's supposed to, and not what you're worried it might be used for.

I dont think youre quite grasping the point I made earlier but ok.

Also. We do have a word for that. Its in the dictionary. Vulva.

GDelscribe said:
I dont think youre quite grasping the point I made earlier but ok.

Also. We do have a word for that. Its in the dictionary. Vulva.

You're the one who already stated, by your own words, what the problem is:

GDelscribe said:
vulva refers to the entire external female genitalia.

Unlike the cock, which normally isn't spread wide open, the vulva can be, exposing the vagina. Sometimes, you only actually see the vagina, with no exposed labia or clit. "Pussy" includes both the Vagina and the Vulva.

Furrin_Gok said:
You're the one who already stated, by your own words, what the problem is:
Unlike the cock, which normally isn't spread wide open, the vulva can be, exposing the vagina. Sometimes, you only actually see the vagina, with no exposed labia or clit. "Pussy" includes both the Vagina and the Vulva.

The problem is that our usage of pussy does not include the vagina itself. You can see an internal view of what is clearly the vagina, but it doesn't get tagged as pussy, to my understanding.

Also worth mentioning that the word pudenda exists, but I don't think it would make for a good tag.

Furrin_Gok said:
You're the one who already stated, by your own words, what the problem is:
Unlike the cock, which normally isn't spread wide open, the vulva can be, exposing the vagina. Sometimes, you only actually see the vagina, with no exposed labia or clit. "Pussy" includes both the Vagina and the Vulva.

To be fair though. Thats how we already tag pussy.

If we see labia we tag it pussy not labia. Pussy as nmny said is used to cover the entire external genitalia. You're arguing semantics that are wholesale intentionally ignoring the existing conventions and the point.

And as @Clawdragons said, technically our current definition in the wiki doesnt count the internals anyway.

And again. If I actually share the dictionary definition.

n. pl. vul·vas also vul·vae (-vē)
The external genitals of the female, including the labia majora, labia minora, clitoris, and vestibule of the vagina.
[Latin, womb, covering; see wel- in Indo-European roots.]

The dictionary includes the entire vagina internal as well. So *shrug*

Take it or leave it theres no difference between pussy and vulva. Only that pussy is slang and vulva isnt.

Being used to saying something doesnt make it better or the best option.

GDelscribe said:
And again. If I actually share the dictionary definition.

n. pl. vul·vas also vul·vae (-vē)
The external genitals of the female, including the labia majora, labia minora, clitoris, and vestibule of the vagina.
[Latin, womb, covering; see wel- in Indo-European roots.]

The dictionary includes the entire vagina internal as well. So *shrug*

Take it or leave it theres no difference between pussy and vulva. Only that pussy is slang and vulva isnt.

That definition makes no mention at all of the vaginal canal or any internal bits. The vulva is only the externally visible bits (and what you can see by spreading the labia), it does not refer to anything internal. If you're seeing "womb", that's the origin of the word, not part of the definition.

TonyLemur said:
That definition makes no mention at all of the vaginal canal or any internal bits. The vulva is only the externally visible bits (and what you can see by spreading the labia), it does not refer to anything internal. If you're seeing "womb", that's the origin of the word, not part of the definition.

Vestibule of the Vagina.

Vestibule:
2.
ANATOMY
a chamber or channel communicating with or opening into another, in particular.

So most literally Vaginal corridor or canal.

So yes. That is the internal.

GDelscribe said:
Vestibule of the Vagina.

Vestibule:
2.
ANATOMY
a chamber or channel communicating with or opening into another, in particular.

So most literally Vaginal corridor or canal.

So yes. That is the internal.

I have no idea what you're trying to argue here, GDel. The Vulva connects to the vaginal opening, but doesn't actually include the vaginal canal. We also include some pictures of cloaca under the pussy tag. Especially:
post #582245
When a cloaca is spread out, we can actually see the vaginal canal, which should definitely not get the tag of Vulva.

GDelscribe said:
Vestibule of the Vagina.

Vestibule:
2.
ANATOMY
a chamber or channel communicating with or opening into another, in particular.

So most literally Vaginal corridor or canal.

So yes. That is the internal.

Just to clear this up, the vestibule of the vagina is only the very first half inch of the vaginal canal, not the entirety of the vagina.

Furrin_Gok said:
I have no idea what you're trying to argue here, GDel. The Vulva connects to the vaginal opening, but doesn't actually include the vaginal canal. We also include some pictures of cloaca under the pussy tag. Especially:
post #582245
When a cloaca is spread out, we can actually see the vaginal canal, which should definitely not get the tag of Vulva.

Nether should pussy be tagged with cloaca, which is where vaginal_canal would come in play and actually be correct.

NotMeNotYou said:
Just to clear this up, the vestibule of the vagina is only the very first half inch of the vaginal canal,...

as i pointed out above the majority of images covered by pussy wont show more then that thru, the fuw that do can use the proper terms instead

Furrin_Gok said:
I have no idea what you're trying to argue here, GDel. The Vulva connects to the vaginal opening, but doesn't actually include the vaginal canal. We also include some pictures of cloaca under the pussy tag. Especially:
post #582245
When a cloaca is spread out, we can actually see the vaginal canal, which should definitely not get the tag of Vulva.

My point is that part you see? That opening? That's literally the vestibule that I mentioned, that's by definition part of the vulva.

We don't tag vagina as is in the way you're describing so any suggestion you make as it being an issue is just a red_herring.

NotMeNotYou said:
Just to clear this up, the vestibule of the vagina is only the very first half inch of the vaginal canal, not the entirety of the vagina.

Yeah this is correct, I apologize If I seemed like I was misinforming. Anyway my point is, from the external parts vulva is applicable in every way, and that's the way we tag it right now.

Hm,

pussy -> vulva?

I personally wouldn't really mind that sans vulva_juice,
but there are those who would probably mention something about the vulva and inner/outer labia being a reason not make the change already happened

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That still leaves the question about tagging pussy + cloaca independently though (i.e ususally on the same character)

Which can get really complex if you factor in all the possible scenarios

• should recognizable external reproductive genitalia (i.e not an anus or mouth) be mutually-exclusive?
• can a character with a single reproductive orifice and no visible anus be tagged with both pussy/cloaca?

• exceptions? [characters with earginas, mouths in the pelvic area, etc]

Here's a summary for those who may be confused about how the various tags terms are vertically-related:

Terms listed in bold are generally what most people think of when using the term 'pussy' [citation needed]

• pussy
• vulva
• labia (ususally majora [citation needed])
• labia majora
• labia minora
• clitoris
• vaginal opening (vestibule, depending on whom you ask. Sometimes used for avians [citation needed])
• vagina
• cervix [??]
• etc. [??]

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So, for a humanoid female*'s genitalia and/or reproductive system, the question here really comes down to:

"How deep/broad do we want the most general umbrella tag on the site to be?"

or alternatively,

"When does the tag start becoming excessive in terms of encapsulating usefulness"?

(aka 'how much kill is overkill?')

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*in terms of physical xx/xy sex determination

The thing is what it basically comes down to right now is, the way we tag pussy basically is whenever we see the labia and etc. Vulva fulfills that definition wholesale with no reasonable issues. I mean. The only reason people seem to care is that the slang term is comfortable. Same as a lot of other tags that people don't wanna change. Its what they've used for a long time "so why bother."

The question is when is it wrong to tag pussy?

TheKvltGoat said:
When people are fapping I am more then sure that they don't care about anatomy.

Words such as pussy and cock are good enough for this site.

They definitely are. The issue lies in the inconsistency of having one be slang and the other is not.

GDelscribe said:
They definitely are. The issue lies in the inconsistency of having one be slang and the other is not.

"To us," they aren't slang. They're real words. The perceived problem lies in thinking about things from an outside perspective.

Furrin_Gok said:
"To us," they aren't slang. They're real words. The perceived problem lies in thinking about things from an outside perspective.

...Slang is slang, it doesnt suddenly become not slang? Slang words are still "real worlds" they're just comparatively derogatory.

Thats all.

Its a total lack of consistency, and its blatantly propping one sex up over the other.

Furrin_Gok said:
"To us," they aren't slang. They're real words. The perceived problem lies in thinking about things from an outside perspective.

who is "us"?

And for all intents and proposes its used for on this site it is in fact considered a slur by the wider general public and the demographic the slang/slur is applied to.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pussy
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/pussy

Its a term that is discouraged by the general public. And as Gdelscribe explained pretty well it is also a unnecessary inconsistency in the genitalia meta tag group

I would rather we switch penis to cock than lose pussy. It's important to remember that the insult "pussy" and the anatomy "pussy" are two seperate words. "Pussy" as an insult is not calling someone a female anatomy, it is calling someone "pusillanimous".

Thirtyeight said:
I would rather we switch penis to cock than lose pussy. It's important to remember that the insult "pussy" and the anatomy "pussy" are two seperate words. "Pussy" as an insult is not calling someone a female anatomy, it is calling someone "pusillanimous".

Like shinji from that one anime with the robots.

Honestly Im fine with that outcome too. It doesnt matter all too much. Its about consistency of tags and getting rid of the inherent sexism behind raising one over the other.

Thirtyeight said:
I would rather we switch penis to cock than lose pussy.
[..]

I'd be super ok with that too, because then the primary humanoid sex organs would both be named after animals

Thirtyeight said:
"Pussy" as an insult is not calling someone a female anatomy, it is calling someone "pusillanimous".

That's wrong. Pusillanimous is an adjective, not a noun, you can't call someone a pusillanimous. Further, it's rather well documented that "pussy" as an insult indeed refers to the female genitalia as a symbol for weakness.

You probably shouldn't trust everything you read on a tumblr blog.

titanmelon said:
I'd be super ok with that too, because then the primary humanoid sex organs would both be named after animals

Not just the avian name, but Dick is a proper name, as in a RL name. Then you have phallus, a non-slang that sounds more proper than penis...

Then, off of the Wikipedia, there is: Member. Member of penis squad!; Prick. 'Cause that little kid is being a little penis right now...; Dork. Calling someone who is intellectually slow (blame dictionary if it offends) a penis is even ruder; Peter. Proper name; Putz. That is the actual spelling... but it also means fool; Stick. Man, I want that long stick.; Pecker. Remind me not to go near a woodPecker; Rod. a straight solid bar, often made of metal or wood; Thing. Man, seeing that Thing turned me on right now; Banana. I actually don't eat bananas, but my brother does; Dong. I'm gonna make sure my penis emulates that sound a bell makes; and Schmuck, Shlong, and Todger. These are the only ones that I don't have a quip at. Schmuck also means fool, shlong is specific to large penises, and Todger sounds like a name but it does mean penis, albiet it is British slang for it.

It seems that all of the rest of the common terms can have double meanings... I could go try to find out double meanings for vagina, too.

Maybe we oughta re-slang the male parts and have them both as such.

My biggest arguement for keeping pussy is ease of use. Everyone from asstr to gelbooru to literotica know what a pussy is, but I had never heard the term vulva until a few years ago. Keeping the term something everyone is familiar with will mean fewer mistagging mistakes. Plus, we already use cock for at least one tag: cbt.

Siral_Eurgh-xan said:
<.. list of alternate terms for penis ..>

What about wang?

Wodahseht said:
What about wang?

A couple things. One, thank you for shortening my list. As much as I would of found it funny for someone to do the full quote, what you said is just as funny.

Second, I have no quip. But, Wikipedia says it's a common Chinese surname, so I could make one, but know better not to. My point still stands: penis is the most common name that can't be mixed up with another word, and is taken seriously (or literally); pussy's alternate meaning is cat, weakling, and coward, and it encompasses the entirety of the female genitals (as used on site). As such, it's the easiest to call it by.

Wodahseht said:
What about wang?

Replace every instance of "Wand" in Harry Potter with "Wang."
...That's a thing people have done.

i have a fair question considering how determined people seem to be in bringing this debate up over and over and over with no real solution being found:

how much long will it be until we all need to go out and buy a friggin dictionary just to browse this site?

cause it seems like this debate is just going to KEEP being revived.

treos said:
i have a fair question considering how determined people seem to be in bringing this debate up over and over and over with no real solution being found:

how much long will it be until we all need to go out and buy a friggin dictionary just to browse this site?

cause it seems like this debate is just going to KEEP being revived.

I was actually thinking of making a wiki list that has all the words that are aliased into the proper word, if you are talking about aliasing.

After many years people get used to what tags are called and where they are in the list. Is it worth throwing that out and starting over and going through all the trouble of renaming a ton of tags only because it's not very consistent with one other tag?

TonyLemur said:
After many years people get used to what tags are called and where they are in the list. Is it worth throwing that out and starting over and going through all the trouble of renaming a ton of tags only because it's not very consistent with one other tag?

Its absolutely mind boggling to me that the immediate response by so many people is the unreasonable "Appeal to Tradition" fallacy.

Ok, all things considered it sticks out like a sore thumb. Its only the genital tags that specifically are like this too. We have scientific names throughout and then suddenly, slang here slang there because? Because the original people designing the system were lazy? Etc? All instances of penis were once instances of cock. Was it reasonable of us to hurt all those poor users who got used to what those tags were called and where they were in the list?

Well, yeah. Nobody died. Nobody is too broken up about it as it seems.

How is this any different from our move from one slang term to a more scientific and clean to use term? Like.

Smh I cant understand the constant opposition to simple objective changes.

Counterargument: balls/breasts

The only ones being singled out here are the dickless maleherms

Beanjam said:
Counterargument: balls/breasts

to be clear i have nothing against changing "balls" to scrotum for the same reasons i support changing "pussy" to vulva thru alias. As GDelscribe noted conformity or tradition is not a valid excuse considering we did it for just about all penis tags.

Ruku said:
to be clear i have nothing against changing "balls" to scrotum for the same reasons i support changing "pussy" to vulva thru alias. As GDelscribe noted conformity or tradition is not a valid excuse considering we did it for just about all penis tags.

Then your argument amounts to little more than personal preference.

Beanjam said:
Then your argument amounts to little more than personal preference.

no it doesnt, my argument is based in what is used and acceptable in the general public for categorizing the anatomical features as well as what is considered acceptable by the majority of the demographic the word is applied to.

Equivalents

• clitoris -> vulva(aliased) -> uterus
• penis -> scrotum(aliased) -> testicles(aliased)
• anus -> intestines -> stomach

other:
-> urethra
-> cloaca
-> genital_slit

Beanjam said:
Counterargument: balls/breasts

The only ones being singled out here are the dickless maleherms

As ruku just said there's no reason not to fix up balls. Frankly it got mentioned a few times already and yeah balls should be changed to scrotum. Especially involving niche fetish art like castration where you can see the actual testicle it becomes a tagging issue.

Slang terms for penis, intromittent organs etc.

Wow, lots of considerations so far
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Adding mention of stuff like claspers, which technically aren't actually penises

If we use a slang/colloquial term for penis (cock, dick etc), we gain similar benefits/drawbacks compared with pussy etc.
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I should also note that the average person [citation needed] who sees a pointy thing used for sex is probably going to assume it's a penis and tag it such, unless we make an announcement about that somewhere
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See also forum #197830 - Tag Implication: claspers → multi_penis (Jun. 2016)

RE: Regarding cases like vulva_juice and cloaca_juice

What about *_fluids?

pussy_fluids /vulva_fluids
cloaca_fluids / cloacal_fluids (cloacal_penetration)

There's also ambiguous_fluids etc
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I suspect *_juice is another one of those "let's keep it because why not?" cases as well

titanmelon said:

RE: Regarding cases like vulva_juice and cloaca_juice

What about *_fluids?

pussy_fluids /vulva_fluids
cloaca_fluids / cloacal_fluids (cloacal_penetration)

There's also ambiguous_fluids etc
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I suspect *_juice is another one of those "let's keep it because why not?" cases as well

Fluids is way better

GDelscribe said:
Fluids is way better

+1 would also remove the aucward sounding vulva_juice...

Ruku said:
+1 would also remove the aucward sounding vulva_juice...

Yeah. Nevermind awkward it sounds outright gross.

I don't know. I could kind of go for some vulva juice right now.

GDelscribe said:
They definitely are.

You are only speaking for yourself there.

TonyLemur said:
stuff

has anyone ever told you how fitting your avatar pic is for when debating things? kinda looks like the character there is standing to give a speech or something.

GDelscribe said:
Its absolutely mind boggling to me that the immediate response by so many people is the unreasonable "Appeal to Tradition" fallacy.

same here only change the word tradition to emotion. and with that i reapply that line of text on my blacklist. (was just curious what had been said through this particular gender thread is all)