(Manually created. I can't use the alias suggestion tool for this, because semi-anthro is already aliased with semi_anthro.)

Aliasing semi-anthro → invalid_tag

Reason:
It breaks the current standard.
This tag group is complicated enough without adding an another tag to it. If we keep this one, we'd have to start using tags like anthro_on_semi-anthro, etc. And keeping it brings up all kinds of problems, such as whether human_on_semi-anthro is bestiality, etc.

Better to just keep the current standard of pigeonholing them into either anthro or feral. Sure, that's hard sometimes, but keeping this would only make it overly complicated.

Genjar said:
(Manually created. I can't use the alias suggestion tool for this, because semi-anthro is already aliased with semi_anthro.)

Aliasing semi-anthro → invalid_tag

Reason:
It breaks the current standard.
This tag group is complicated enough without adding an another tag to it. If we keep this one, we'd have to start using tags like anthro_on_semi-anthro, etc. And keeping it brings up all kinds of problems, such as whether human_on_semi-anthro is bestiality, etc.

Better to just keep the current standard of pigeonholing them into either anthro or feral. Sure, that's hard sometimes, but keeping this would only make it overly complicated.

+1

Had a trial of tagging this and it only confused things.

There is no such thing as semi-anthro.
Anthropomorphic means to give human characteristics to something non-human.
It doesn't matter what degree of human characteristics are added, if it has them, it's anthro.

Halite said:
There is no such thing as semi-anthro.
Anthropomorphic means to give human characteristics to something non-human.
It doesn't matter what degree of human characteristics are added, if it has them, it's anthro.

By that standard, The Lion King would be anthro. Anthro and feral are vaguely defined terms in the furry fandom; there's no set criteria for which human traits count or which human traits are inherent to fictional species (and thus can't be "added"). We could very well split up anthropomorphism into more than two categories. However, as pointed out, it wouldn't be practical to start tagging like this.

Edit: changed "this" to "thus"

Deh-tiger said:
By that standard, The Lion King would be anthro. Anthro and feral are vaguely defined terms in the furry fandom; there's no set criteria for which human traits count or which human traits are inherent to fictional species (and this can't be "added"). We could very well split up anthropomorphism into more than two categories. However, as pointed out, it wouldn't be practical to start tagging like this.

The movie was anthro.
Generally though since we go by what's visible in the image, something physical is necessary.

This entire forum topic can be summed up by 'this seems too complicated/illogical, so it should be done away with'

Not a very convincing argument

Halite said:
There is no such thing as semi-anthro.
Anthropomorphic means to give human characteristics to something non-human.
It doesn't matter what degree of human characteristics are added, if it has them, it's anthro.

etc.

See forum #143172

I'm also against this tag. If I understand correctly it's supposed to be used on pictures that are hard to distinguish whether they are anthro or feral. Honestly I think that it instead give two new class of problems:
1. Whether picture is anthro or semi-anthro
2. Whether picture is semi-anthro or feral
Of course this problems can be solved by adding 2 new tags, but then it creates 4 more problems and so on, and so on.

IMO there is no reason for this tag. In worst case some pictures can get anthro or feral tag even though some people don't agree with it. I can live with that.
Also I think that every member on furry fandom have some intuition about terms like anthro and feral, but semi-anthro is just artificial tag created because some very small minority of pictures are problematic to tag.

Granberia said:
I'm also against this tag. If I understand correctly it's supposed to be used on pictures that are hard to distinguish whether they are anthro or feral. Honestly I think that it instead give two new class of problems:
1. Whether picture is anthro or semi-anthro
2. Whether picture is semi-anthro or feral
Of course this problems can be solved by adding 2 new tags, but then it creates 4 more problems and so on, and so on.

IMO there is no reason for this tag. In worst case some pictures can get anthro or feral tag even though some people don't agree with it. I can live with that.
Also I think that every member on furry fandom have some intuition about terms like anthro and feral, but semi-anthro is just artificial tag created because some very small minority of pictures are problematic to tag.

Will the entire site collapse into chaos if there are posts with overlapping tags?

This is what I mean, you and a handful of the active forum users seem to really enjoy dumping everything into discrete categories. And if something doesn't fit neatly into either, then it's invalid to the entire site

That's an incredibly selfish stance to take. Just because it supposedly simplifies things for the few active users, doesn't mean it's automatically the best way to do something

It's because of close-minded and totalitarian attitudes like this that we can't have nice things anymore

This seems too complicated/illogical, so it should be done away with.

Honestly, I don't know why that's a bad reason :/

Because it's selfish, that's why

Just like https://e621.net/forum/show/143186

It doesn't look like what I say will get through to you people, so I give up

Do whatever you all want

I'd still like to throw in the idea of an ambiguous_furry-like tag (probably with a less horrible-sounding name). Because really they aren't all semi anyways, just ambiguous and confusing.

...and then we can implicate all the pokemon to it.

titanmelon said:
Because it's selfish, that's why

Just like https://e621.net/forum/show/143186

It doesn't look like what I say will get through to you people, so I give up

Do whatever you all want

You just don't seem to get what the key element is here: Constructing a tag ontology is hard, and the more similar tags are in meaning, the less people will manage to tag the correct one. Examples of this show up on the forum all the time -- for example, someone proposed the implication dickgirl -> penis recently, without understanding that a bulge could distinguish a character as a dickgirl without anything being visible that warrants a penis tag.

The more distinct our tags are from each other, the easier people will find them to tag -> more taggings, more accurate taggings. In general (putting aside character and copyright tags, which are more about IP than describing the picture contents), this means that we need less tags, not more. That means that overly specific or ambiguous tags (semi-anthro being the latter) will be sacrificed in order to keep the overall system working.

Many tags are just inherently ambiguous, such as tasteful_nudity, and such tags must not be admitted. I would support nonsexual_nudity as a tag, but I must admit that it too contains ambiguity, just less ambiguity.

I uncategorically reject your premise that this is done out of mere selfishness - rather, it seems clear by now that you are more concerned with getting what you want than understanding why people are objecting to it.

titanmelon said:
Will the entire site collapse into chaos if there are posts with overlapping tags?

This is what I mean, you and a handful of the active forum users seem to really enjoy dumping everything into discrete categories. And if something doesn't fit neatly into either, then it's invalid to the entire site

That's an incredibly selfish stance to take. Just because it supposedly simplifies things for the few active users, doesn't mean it's automatically the best way to do something

It's because of close-minded and totalitarian attitudes like this that we can't have nice things anymore

Okay, if not the fact that I've just changed my username I would change it to "Tagging Nazi" right now.

Suppose that I'm really like new Stalin on this forum and I want to make tagging holodomor here.
If that's the case then why this whole tag has only 122 pics tagged with it? Are people scared that I would give them one way ticket to Syberia if they use this tag?

And if

a) Most people don't use this tag.
b) People who are active, and are doing a lot of tagging, want to get this tag removed.

And this is not enough for you then how do you decide what is a correct way to do things? Because you think that way?

Yes that's right, what the minority wants is always seen as selfish and irrational in comparison to what the majority wants

Though, I would be misguided in believing that's limited to just here alone

Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know that I am asking the Committee for their opinion on this. Let's all calm down for a bit.

oooh, committee

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know that I am asking the Committee for their opinion on this. Let's all calm down for a bit.

Oh hai EDF! How's the Committee doing? Can we expect any verdict this year?

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know that I am asking the Committee for their opinion on this. Let's all calm down for a bit.

[not calming down intensifies]

What does this get tagged with?

post #574694

• anthro
• feral
• not furry
• other

titanmelon said:
What does this get tagged with?

post #574694

• anthro
• feral
• not furry
• other

A snake with a humanish shape, chest breasts, shoulders, no arms, a pierced navel, and a clitoris that's...well... nowhere in particular anatomically.

anthrofied + what

titanmelon said:
What does this get tagged with?

post #574694

• anthro
• feral
• not furry
• other

Clearly neither feral nor not_furry.
So yeah, anthrofied. Personally, I think that's weird enough to also tag as a monster, but that's a bit subjective..

And this?
post #598791

Also, anthrofied might work, but it doesn't specify whether it's human -> anthro or feral -> anthro

Not very helpful for searching one but not the other

titanmelon said:
And this?

See forum #151102.

Also, anthrofied might work, but it doesn't specify whether it's human -> anthro or feral -> anthro

Anthrofied is feral -> anthro, since it's not possible to make humans any more humanlike (anthropomorphized) than they already are.

Human -> anthro is tagged as furrification.

Genjar said:
See forum #151102.

Anthrofied is feral -> anthro, since it's not possible to make humans any more humanlike (anthropomorphized) than they already are.

Human -> anthro is tagged as furrification.

Oh yeah you're right, whoops

See forum #151102.

So we have an entire tag for a specific subfetish, but not one for the general thing? Kind of strange

I guess anthrofied could work, but those 2 tags seem to be used for characters that are drawn a certain way originally (feral/human), but drawn differently in the specified post(anthro/feral).
Those tags couldn't be used if the post in question was a semi-anthro/feral style with no established original style

Additionally, is there a tag for anthro/feral characters -> humanized art style?

titanmelon said:
Additionally, is there a tag for anthro/feral characters -> humanized art style?

humanized

parasprite said:
humanized

<:/ No idea how I missed that

What does stuff like

post #627067

get tagged as, if not semi-anthro?

Something discretely blacklistable, that won't conflict with other tag combinations, since we seem to really dislike making new tags for things in favour of tacking on 2-3 tag combinations instead
-

Anthrofied might work, but everything aside from the breasts are feral

titanmelon said:
What does stuff like

post #627067

get tagged as, if not semi-anthro?

Something discretely blacklistable, that won't conflict with other tag combinations, since we seem to really dislike making new tags for things in favour of tacking on 2-3 tag combinations instead
-

Anthrofied might work, but everything aside from the breasts are feral

For this particular case feral what_has_science_done seems to pretty much cover it. Shame it's not a turkey or they would apply even more.

titanmelon said:
What does stuff like

post #627067

get tagged as, if not semi-anthro?

Anthrofied might work, but everything aside from the breasts are feral

Pretty much what savageorange said + non-mammal_breasts.

Anthrofied/humanized/feralized is more for well-established characters (e.g., MLP, pokémon, Krystal, etc.) that aren't normally anthro/human/feral. For example, Krystal drawn as a feral fox would be feralized, Picachu drawn as a human would be humanized, and so on. Regular species don't get these tags.

...

titanmelon said:
Something discretely blacklistable, that won't conflict with other tag combinations, since we seem to really dislike making new tags for things in favour of tacking on 2-3 tag combinations instead

savageorange said:
feral what_has_science_done

parasprite said:
Pretty much what savageorange said + non-mammal_breasts.

I think I'm gonna just drop this topic entirely because it's been half a year and no definite answer to any of these questions have been suggested, aside from arguments and vague speculation with no action

Again, busty_feral would've worked, but that got invalidated without any discussion. I'm not sure why. Because of the name, maybe?

'course, like it's been repeatedly said, semi-anthro would be a lot worse. That's like tagging semi-taur or semi-pokemon: vague to the point of complete uselessness. Either it's anthro, or isn't.

It's been 6 months since topic was created, and 4 since EDF asked the Committee. What is the status of this alias suggestion? It's a shame that alias tracking thread was closed since there are still some aliases suggestions that need to be tracked manually.

What does a taur umbreon..thing with human hands get tagged with?

post #685818

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See also forum #159039

titanmelon said:
What does a taur umbreon..thing with human hands get tagged with?

That's what the taur tag is for.

As for forum #159039:
1. Most of those are anthros, so I dunno why you're listing them as ferals. As for the rest, the old busty_feral tag would've worked. But it got invalidated without explanation.

2. Non-humanoids with humanoid penis? There's no specific tag for it, afaik.

3. What about them? The second one is an anthro + hair, and the first one is feral + hair.

4-5. I don't know enough about these kinks to comment.

6. One problem with the '<species> pussy' tags is that compared to penises, there's hardly any variation in different species. For instance, I wouldn't tag that example as humanoid: it's just a generic slit with no clitoris, and close to anatomically correct for a bovine. And all mammals have some form of clitoris, so that's not a good indicator of humanoid_pussy either.

Genjar said:
As for the rest, the old busty_feral tag would've worked. But it got invalidated without explanation.

Fix'd.

Edit: Added implication to feral so it doesn't get forgotten about. I'm leaving off other implications for the moment to give us a bit of wiggle room.

parasprite said:
Fix'd.

Thanks. Maybe we'll think up a better name for it eventually, but for now, it's good to have some way of tagging those. And after seeing what it looks like, I'm thinking that some folks might want to blacklist it. :/