Good morning! A fan was kind enough to inform me of a certain silly change. Hey, what's done is done.

Time to purge every single artist who has AI in their pics, right? Anything else is protective of those who are using the technology to churn out commissions at inflated prices. Of course, these individuals are the source of much of that sentiment.

First off is ewgengster. Probably the only one obvious enough that you can see it from the catalog. But hasn't he been drawing for years? Yes, and that's the point. E621 has just enacted a policy that, if followed, necessitates the removal and blacklisting of large numbers of traffic-drawing artists.

Anyway. He's a great case study of why this policy will lead to massive witch hunts, targeted harassment, and blackmail. 4036149 and 4115640 and 4115641. Extremely obvious and always has been, but only when viewed together. Go ahead and take a look under the microscope, see if you can find any signs of AI use on the indicidual level.

Now, here's your next task. Purge and blacklist. There's plenty more to be found on this guy. Don't wanna take my word for it? Go ahead and comb through, while the witch hunt roars. ---- Do not actually do this, please. Again, this is a dangerous policy, with no good reasoning.

By the way, as of today I am never touching any AI tool ever agaib.

It is a pity, but not surprising given the contempt many show towards anything related to AI.
Would you consider uploading your paintovers to e6ai? I'd be keen to keep seeing your work, but finding things on twitter is nearly as fun as pulling teeth.

This is literally the first time I've ever heard of this artist, and your standard of proof is "just look really close". From my perspective, you are the one trying to perpetuate a witch hunt, all while using veiled language and dancing around the topic to pretend you're a hero/conscientious objector.

If you have an accusation to make, articulate your points instead of breezing past them.

From a glance e6ai allow the types of images that now aren't permitted here anymore, since this is in their uploading guidelines

• Mixed creations where a human has edited the AI art is allowed

So that is an option, for anyone looking for a place to upload their AI generated content.

drawswhenhungry said:
Good morning! A fan was kind enough to inform me of a certain silly change. Hey, what's done is done.

Your first deletion by the lead admin was probably a clue to not push the boundaries even further.
The one thing admins hate the most is when people try to skirt around the policies.

Time to purge every single artist who has AI in their pics, right? Anything else is protective of those who are using the technology to churn out commissions at inflated prices. Of course, these individuals are the source of much of that sentiment.

The edit to the AI exception rule only specifically removes the "for full paintovers" part. Artists are still allowed to use AI for backgrounds, audio, etc. that does not directly involve AI in the main elements of the artwork.

First off is ewgengster. Probably the only one obvious enough that you can see it from the catalog. But hasn't he been drawing for years? Yes, and that's the point. E621 has just enacted a policy that, if followed, necessitates the removal and blacklisting of large numbers of traffic-drawing artists.

Anyway. He's a great case study of why this policy will lead to massive witch hunts, targeted harassment, and blackmail. 4036149 and 4115640 and 4115641. Extremely obvious and always has been, but only when viewed together. Go ahead and take a look under the microscope, see if you can find any signs of AI use on the indicidual level.

Now, here's your next task. Purge and blacklist. There's plenty more to be found on this guy. Don't wanna take my word for it? Go ahead and comb through, while the witch hunt roars. ---- Do not actually do this, please. Again, this is a dangerous policy, with no good reasoning.

And this is how you get a thread locked for being a callout thread. You specifically naming the artist in question, accusing them of using AI, and then listing the supposed AI-generated posts are how witch hunts & targeted harassment happen.

If you know an artist produces AI-assisted/generated content, the best procedure to do is to gather actual evidence that they are using AI (not through the use of 'AI detectors') and submit them privately to the admins.
If you do not have any evidence and just have a "hunch", you can also point it out privately to the admins or raise the issue on the Discord helpdesk.

Making a thread like this and listing down the names/posts is not the way to go.

By the way, as of today I am never touching any AI tool ever agaib.

You are still more than welcome to share your AI-assisted artwork on https://e6ai.net/ as stated numerous times on your last thread.

drawswhenhungry said:
Good morning! A fan was kind enough to inform me of a certain silly change. Hey, what's done is done.

Time to purge every single artist who has AI in their pics, right? Anything else is protective of those who are using the technology to churn out commissions at inflated prices. Of course, these individuals are the source of much of that sentiment.

First off is ewgengster. Probably the only one obvious enough that you can see it from the catalog. But hasn't he been drawing for years? Yes, and that's the point. E621 has just enacted a policy that, if followed, necessitates the removal and blacklisting of large numbers of traffic-drawing artists.

Anyway. He's a great case study of why this policy will lead to massive witch hunts, targeted harassment, and blackmail. 4036149 and 4115640 and 4115641. Extremely obvious and always has been, but only when viewed together. Go ahead and take a look under the microscope, see if you can find any signs of AI use on the indicidual level.

Now, here's your next task. Purge and blacklist. There's plenty more to be found on this guy. Don't wanna take my word for it? Go ahead and comb through, while the witch hunt roars. ---- Do not actually do this, please. Again, this is a dangerous policy, with no good reasoning.

By the way, as of today I am never touching any AI tool ever agaib.

A “silly” change? Interesting statement, it's “unfortunate” that this silly change affected your AI “content”.
It's really funny, you go around accusing everyone of using AI with “Well it seems so to me” or “Just look closer!”, but thank you for honestly admitting to using AI, “proudly” telling the process of content creation, but as soon as your “content” is taken down, suddenly you're not a “proud” AI artist anymore. It's unclear where the proudness went.

Find a single person who believes that you won't use AI anymore. A person who evolved as a “hybrid artist” suddenly starts painting completely by himself as soon as AI is banned. Funny coincidence?

Unfortunately the English language doesn't support all my outrage.

drawswhenhungry said:
Good morning! A fan was kind enough to inform me of a certain silly change. Hey, what's done is done.

Time to purge every single artist who has AI in their pics, right? Anything else is protective of those who are using the technology to churn out commissions at inflated prices. Of course, these individuals are the source of much of that sentiment.

There's a lot more behind the scenes that goes on when making decisions like this. As mentioned by Wolfgang, Artists are still allowed to use AI for backgrounds, audio.. Things that are not necessarily required for a picture/painting or animation.

drawswhenhungry said: First off is -snip-. Probably the only one obvious enough that you can see it from the catalog. But hasn't he been drawing for years? Yes, and that's the point. E621 has just enacted a policy that, if followed, necessitates the removal and blacklisting of large numbers of traffic-drawing artists.

Anyway. He's a great case study of why this policy will lead to massive witch hunts, targeted harassment, and blackmail. -snip snip snip.- Extremely obvious and always has been, but only when viewed together. Go ahead and take a look under the microscope, see if you can find any signs of AI use on the indicidual level.

This is exactly how witch hunts, harassment, and blackmail starts. By not only naming an individual, but also not giving any evidence towards your accusations, you are trying to start a deep investigation into someone that, for all I know, has never even touched an AI - and all I have to go by, is your hear-say. Honestly, that's in bad faith, and I refuse to even accuse someone of anything without some kind of actual evidence. Post numbers are not evidence, not in the slightest.

drawswhenhungry said: Now, here's your next task. Purge and blacklist. There's plenty more to be found on this guy. Don't wanna take my word for it? Go ahead and comb through, while the witch hunt roars. ---- Do not actually do this, please. Again, this is a dangerous policy, with no good reasoning.

You can't just say to do something, and then immediately go and say not to do it, especially if you were saying this would happen because of this policy. That's, again, in very bad faith, and it sounds like you are upset that your AI-assisted artwork has been taken down, when you yourself have shown and stated how you use AI to make your characters/posts.

drawswhenhungry said: By the way, as of today I am never touching any AI tool ever agaib.

I sincerely hope you stop using AI for your art, because I have seen you do have potential. It's just, you have, like other folks, relied too hard on AI, assuming it would stick around/be allowed forever.

iamsosad said:
A “silly” change? Interesting statement, it's “unfortunate” that this silly change affected your AI “content”.
It's really funny, you go around accusing everyone of using AI with “Well it seems so to me” or “Just look closer!”, but thank you for honestly admitting to using AI, “proudly” telling the process of content creation, but as soon as your “content” is taken down, suddenly you're not a “proud” AI artist anymore. It's unclear where the proudness went.

Find a single person who believes that you won't use AI anymore. A person who evolved as a “hybrid artist” suddenly starts painting completely by himself as soon as AI is banned. Funny coincidence?

Unfortunately the English language doesn't support all my outrage.

My my, whose alt might you be? Scanning for my posts, simply to antagonize me? In any case, that is simply the truth (except for two current major WIPs - everything initiated after today is going to be from the ground up). You are welcome to challenge any upload moving forward.

If an individual's history is a valid reason to bar them in the present, then one point of this thread is to make it clear how consequential that is. Extra suspicion? Of course, naturally. But again, scrutinize all you want.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Your first deletion by the lead admin was probably a clue to not push the boundaries even further.
The one thing admins hate the most is when people try to skirt around the policies.

Skirt? I made a thread specifically to ask about guidelines. I then also have had DM exchanges with multiple staff about this, including an offer to provide .csp files for examination, if necessary. It is simply a change in policy, and a foolish one.

Although I no longer will be making hybrid/assisted art, I do think you should be ashamed at the mere suggestion. I despise most AI art because it is lazy, uninspired, and repetitive. Hence why I've tried to have a lot of variety and effort in my own work. Telling me to throw these things into the trash bin is an insult. And that is, of course, the only reason that site exists at all.

lafcadio said:
This is literally the first time I've ever heard of this artist, and your standard of proof is "just look really close". From my perspective, you are the one trying to perpetuate a witch hunt, all while using veiled language and dancing around the topic to pretend you're a hero/conscientious objector.

If you have an accusation to make, articulate your points instead of breezing past them.

Certainly. These images feature an obvious img2img pass for the purposes of rapid YCH production. See: the backgrounds, simple yet entirely redrawn, to include a painting in two of his other works. Also see: appearance of the OC which remains consistent across these pics (the artist's OC). Despite having identical posture and purpose, and this being a YCH, she shares no similarities whatsoever across the three pictures. To deny overt AI use here is quite bold.

quenir said:
It is a pity, but not surprising given the contempt many show towards anything related to AI.
Would you consider uploading your paintovers to e6ai? I'd be keen to keep seeing your work, but finding things on twitter is nearly as fun as pulling teeth.

I do thank you but no. See above.

drawswhenhungry said:
Certainly. These images feature an obvious img2img pass for the purposes of rapid YCH production. See: the backgrounds, simple yet entirely redrawn, to include a painting in two of his other works. Also see: appearance of the OC which remains consistent across these pics (the artist's OC). Despite having identical posture and purpose, and this being a YCH, she shares no similarities whatsoever across the three pictures. To deny overt AI use here is quite bold.

I was half wondering if this was going to be some mysterious four-dimensional chess play where you try to illustrate the futility of AI accusations following the change in policy, but it is abundantly clear to me that's not the case.

This artist has a long history of traditional art that long predates any generative image software of decent quality (before the 2020s, even!) It also logically follows that a traditional artist will introduce slight variations even if they're serious about making several identical copies of an art piece, the human body isn't exactly a precision instrument. Not even professional forgers can do that, and you expect their YCHs to be more similar? They're not even allowed to introduce a little variation in bed design if they're going to draw the same YCH three times? On top of that, you also insist that it's suspicious that the artist's OC has a consistent appearance, but in the same breath you then state there are "no similarities whatsoever". If there were perfectly similar takes from an artist who normally does traditional art, then that is what would be suspicious, not a traditional artist doing traditional art things.

Your expectations for manual art are completely unrealistic, and it bothers me that you're suddenly promising to make manual art when this is what you believe.

drawswhenhungry said:
Certainly. These images feature an obvious img2img pass for the purposes of rapid YCH production. See: the backgrounds, simple yet entirely redrawn, to include a painting in two of his other works. Also see: appearance of the OC which remains consistent across these pics (the artist's OC). Despite having identical posture and purpose, and this being a YCH, she shares no similarities whatsoever across the three pictures. To deny overt AI use here is quite bold.

Or perhaps, the other explanation could be that ewgengster is a traditional artist (a fact that should be evident from looking at a few of their works, which you surely did to find these examples in particular) and that the background would have to be redrawn multiple times anyway because traditional artists don't get the luxury of cut and paste. Variance in the backgrounds will almost definitely exist even if the artist tried to make them identical, but it's very likely the artist just didn't want to draw the exact same thing three times.

At first I came into this thread having sympathy (entirely banning AI paintovers doesn't make too much sense when photography can be traced just fine) but dipping down to baselessly accuse another artist within your second paragraph really left a sour taste in my mouth.

The images, for people too lazy to manually locate those IDs:
post #4036149 post #4115640 post #4115641